Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence

[bshole]

Is it illegal for a presidential candidate to have contact with a foreign intelligence agency? If so, could somebody provide a link to the law being broken? What is the sentencing guideline for such a crime?

 

[greatnoob]

I didn't vote for him. Your mental gyrations and perverse alternate reality is truly amazing to behold...did the lobotomy hurt much?

Lol alternate reality. Stop projecting.

You've been crying wolf for too long. You are a dishonest person and nobody will ever take your words at face value.

Btw mind explaining why you're constantly defending Trump? Didn't vote for him right? So why all the outrage and damage control on his behalf?

 

[fskimospy]

Is it illegal for a presidential candidate to have contact with a foreign intelligence agency? If so, could somebody provide a link to the law being broken? What is the sentencing guideline for such a crime?

It is not illegal to be in contact with them, no. The thing is that Russian intelligence agencies did a whole boatload of illegal things during the campaign in order to benefit Trump. If it turns out Trump's campaign had knowledge of or assisted in those things in any way they are in deep shit.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You've been playing catcher for him ever since the election. He's your pup.

If being my "pup" means not getting fucking hysterical over every damn thing he does...then yes, that's me.

 

[xthetenth]

If being my "pup" means not getting fucking hysterical over every damn thing he does...then yes, that's me.

Yep, you've stated your support for his actions, and they reflect (quite poorly) on you.

 

[bshole]

It is not illegal to be in contact with them, no. The thing is that Russian intelligence agencies did a whole boatload of illegal things during the campaign in order to benefit Trump. If it turns out Trump's campaign had knowledge of or assisted in those things in any way they are in deep shit.

Well this is interesting. We know that American intelligence hates Donald Trump. The evidence that Russian intelligence hacked our intelligence comes from American intelligence. Blatant lies from American intelligence justified an invasion of Iraq with horrific consequences. American intelligence has been involved in torture for many years now (directly and/or indirectly) and in denying civil rights to detainees. Based on this, I have concerns about the moral compass of American intelligence.

Bottom line, I would like to see two investigations. One regarding whether Russia/Trump engaged in illegal activities regarding the election. A second one to see if American intelligence ginned the whole damn thing up to smear Trump.

Some of the actions of American intelligence since the election are troubling to me, as if they believe they are completely above the law. Somebody must bring them to heel before they go completely rogue.

 

[fskimospy]

Well this is interesting. We know that American intelligence hates Donald Trump. The evidence that Russian intelligence hacked our intelligence comes from American intelligence. Blatant lies from American intelligence justified an invasion of Iraq with horrific consequences. American intelligence has been involved in torture for many years now (directly and/or indirectly) and in denying civil rights to detainees. Based on this, I have concerns about the moral compass of American intelligence.

Most of the issues with the American intelligence community you just listed were the direct result of political interference from the elected government, not the other way around. American intelligence didn't lie about Iraq, our elected officials did. There is a large difference between being wrong and lying. The policies to torture/deny civil rights to people are executive branch policies, not intelligence community policies. In fact, the intelligence community is one of the major players pushing back against Trump's efforts to reinstate torture.

They are by no means perfect, but your faults here are with elected officials in presidential administrations.

Bottom line, I would like to see two investigations. One regarding whether Russia/Trump engaged in illegal activities regarding the election. A second one to see if American intelligence ginned the whole damn thing up to smear Trump.

Some of the actions of American intelligence since the election are troubling to me, as if they believe they are completely above the law. Somebody must bring them to heel before they go completely rogue.

Who would investigate the intelligence agencies except for other intelligence agencies?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Yep, you've stated your support for his actions, and they reflect (quite poorly) on you.

Which actions did I express support for that reflect poorly on me? Do you have anything intelligent to say here?

 

[hal2kilo]

Well this is interesting. We know that American intelligence hates Donald Trump. The evidence that Russian intelligence hacked our intelligence comes from American intelligence. Blatant lies from American intelligence justified an invasion of Iraq with horrific consequences. American intelligence has been involved in torture for many years now (directly and/or indirectly) and in denying civil rights to detainees. Based on this, I have concerns about the moral compass of American intelligence.

Bottom line, I would like to see two investigations. One regarding whether Russia/Trump engaged in illegal activities regarding the election. A second one to see if American intelligence ginned the whole damn thing up to smear Trump.

Some of the actions of American intelligence since the election are troubling to me, as if they believe they are completely above the law. Somebody must bring them to heel before they go completely rogue.

So wrong. The Bush admin twisted the intelligence to justify their actions.

 

[zinfamous]

Well this is interesting. We know that American intelligence hates Donald Trump. The evidence that Russian intelligence hacked our intelligence comes from American intelligence. Blatant lies from American intelligence justified an invasion of Iraq with horrific consequences. American intelligence has been involved in torture for many years now (directly and/or indirectly) and in denying civil rights to detainees. Based on this, I have concerns about the moral compass of American intelligence.

No. There were old, out-dated intelligence reports that Wolfowitz and Cheney filtered out and hand-delivered to Bush as the "smoking gun" for the invasion. The Intelligence community generally rejected those reports and was not wholly in support of an invasion. There were then-previous Intelligence agents and analysts that were involved with those reports, that rejected them as current, actionable information. This was pretty widely publicized.

It's the reason that people like Hillary Clinton have a (deservedly) bad rap for justifying support based on "the intelligence that we knew at the time." That was just pure bullshit. Plenty of dems rejected those reports because they actually considered the current intelligence, and relied on piles and piles of analysis that predicted exactly what happened post-invasion Iraq. Those people were called unpatriotic cowards. They were the only ones with any head.

 

[bshole]

No. There were old, out-dated intelligence reports that Wolfowitz and Cheney filtered out and hand-delivered to Bush as the "smoking gun" for the invasion. The Intelligence community generally rejected those reports and was not wholly in support of an invasion. There were then-previous Intelligence agents and analysts that were involved with those reports, that rejected them as current, actionable information. This was pretty widely publicized.

It's the reason that people like Hillary Clinton have a (deservedly) bad rap for justifying support based on "the intelligence that we knew at the time." That was just pure bullshit. Plenty of dems rejected those reports because they actually considered the current intelligence, and relied on piles and piles of analysis that predicted exactly what happened post-invasion Iraq. Those people were called unpatriotic cowards. They were the only ones with any head.

I will grant you that. Interesting that no intelligence agents OR political figures were held criminally responsible for an action that ultimately led to perhaps millions of deaths and a vastly destabilized region. Interesting in a sad and distressing way.

In any event, this does not absolve our intelligence agencies from use of torture and rendition. Agents involved in such activities and supervisors who ordered such activities clearly demonstrate authoritarian and amoral behavior.

The leaks coming from intelligence are aimed at Trump personally. They want to take him down. There are reports out (in another thread) where they withheld information from Trump that they were legally required to provide. This combined with their tendency to authoritarian and amoral behavior gives me pause.

I see Trump as a buffoon who prefers InfoWars for his information above his own intelligence agencies. I can't fathom a person irrational enough to rely on conspiracy theorists to learn about reality also being sophisticated enough to conspire with a foreign entity to steal an election. It is just as plausible to me that intelligence agencies would frame the idiot to make it look like he conspired. Is anybody checking the information from the intelligence agencies? Is there even a mechanism for doing that?

 

[fleshconsumed]

Finally.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politics/jason-chaffetz-inspector-general/index.html?adkey=bn

Chaffetz and Goodlatte have asked the inspector general to investigate The Flynn matter. No. Not his conduct. Not the covering up. Not all the others who had contact with Russian intelligence. Nope. It's time to find out why you know about it. The leakers. Right on cue.

I hate being right sometimes. Post 28... This thread... Pathetic.

this seems relevant...

"White House Plans to Have Trump Ally Review Intelligence Agencies"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/us/politics/trump-intelligence-agencies-stephen-feinberg.html

Holy crap, this is getting unreal...

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I can't fathom a person irrational enough to rely on conspiracy theorists to learn about reality also being sophisticated enough to conspire with a foreign entity to steal an election. It is just as plausible to me that intelligence agencies would frame the idiot to make it look like he conspired. Is anybody checking the information from the intelligence agencies? Is there even a mechanism for doing that?

I don't think he personally conspired a thing. I do think it's very likely he (in a very business-way) negotiated his way into an election. Russia's intelligence agency would be quite capable of manipulating an election (as they very likely did, and have done before).

 

[HTFOff]

Well this thread aged well.

10 Pages, not to mention weeks of national gesticulating - based on literal fake news.

‘In the main, it was not true’: Comey denounces New York Times story

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ot-true-comey-denounces-new-york-times-story/

Comey: NYT Report Wrong on Trump Campaign's Contact With Russian Inte

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/...iming-repeated-trump-campaign-contact-russian

 

[UNCjigga]

Oh so Kushner, Sessions and Flynn had no undisclosed contacts with Russian officials? Mueller can close this out and go home now??

What point are you trying to make?

 

[Pens1566]

Oh so Kushner, Sessions and Flynn had no undisclosed contacts with Russian officials? Mueller can close this out and go home now??

What point are you trying to make?

Apparently, that Comey's nebulous statement that the NYT article was incorrect (without stating how/why) somehow invalidates any reports of links between Trump staff and Russia. Which of course is blatantly false. As that's the crux of why Flynn was fired.

Mountain out of a molehill.

 

[Roflmouth]

Apparently, that Comey's nebulous statement that the NYT article was incorrect (without stating how/why) somehow invalidates any reports of links between Trump staff and Russia. Which of course is blatantly false. As that's the crux of why Flynn was fired.

Mountain out of a molehill.

Yes, the Russian hysteria is! But keep parroting it, the Trump 2020 campaign will thank you

 

[thraashman]

Yes, the Russian hysteria is! But keep parroting it, the Trump 2020 campaign will thank you

At this rate the only Trump campaign that will be happening in 2020 is him campaigning for parole.

 

[Jhhnn]

The leaks coming from intelligence are aimed at Trump personally. They want to take him down.

That's probably because they see him as a Russian stooge.

OTOH, it's one of those little things his devotees fail to notice...

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Aaaaand Sessions has yet another undisclosed meeting. Apparently this one was picked up surveilling Russia to Russia chatter. Disclosed by Comey after the main hearing as to why he believed Sessions would have to recuse himself.

 

[Roflmouth]

Aaaaand Sessions has yet another undisclosed meeting. Apparently this one was picked up surveilling Russia to Russia chatter. Disclosed by Comey after the main hearing as to why he believed Sessions would have to recuse himself.

Snivel some more.

 

[ivwshane]

Snivel some more.

Ahahahhahahaha!

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

@Roflmouth, you're only making the inevitable fall worse with this false bravado. Now I'm all for letting a man hang himself with his own rope, but don't say a little birdie didn't warn ya :3

 

[bshole]

Aaaaand Sessions has yet another undisclosed meeting. Apparently this one was picked up surveilling Russia to Russia chatter. Disclosed by Comey after the main hearing as to why he believed Sessions would have to recuse himself.

All of this paranoia has taken America-Russia relations to a low that hasn't been seen since the 70s. Trump attacked the Syrian government again this week. If anybody seriously believes Russia is pulling America's strings then what is their objective? They want us to take down Assad?

I think America should pursue better relations with Russia. They are going nowhere. War with them is insanity.

 

[raildogg]

ROFL, you guys!

No one will go to jail! Just like always! No one will pay for their crimes.

Don't you all see that the system will never harm one of its own? LOL.