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Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US

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No one is afraid of Ordnung taking over, but the brown man's scary sharia law gets them trembling.
 
eskimospy said:
Again, what exactly should I report them for? What should I say to the police? Should I report all members of the community that legally own firearms and get postcards? If not, how should I discern between them?

It's very curious that you neglected to mention that he was later found to have absolutely no involvement in that crime by both Pakistani and US law enforcement. From an interview sourced on wiki:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/10/siu.02.html

From an FBI agent assigned to the case:

Can you explain why you did not include this very important and salient fact? Is it because you were trying to deceive us? Were you deceived by your own sources?

There are many, many implementations and interpretations of Sharia law, many of which are entirely compatible with US law. As proof, just look inside the US where this sort of thing happens on a daily basis. You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop reading nutter websites, you'll be glad you did.
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Of course you should report for them for mocking America relative for Sharia Law and multiple armed guards in a house. Don't play stupid, of course you don't report someone for postcards. You put all of the facts together.

Yes, he was found not guilty in Pakistan. Why do you think that is? And why is Pakistan still arresting people as recently as 2013 in the Daniel Pearl case? Because of incompetence, protection of iconic figures (Al Gilani claims to be a descendant of Muhammad), and rampant corruption there. It isn't a coincidence that Pearl was on his way to see this terrorist and he's magically captured by his buddies. Yes, he's a terrorist because he's on multiple government lists. No, we haven't caught him in the act of doing anything wrong yet, but that doesn't mean we sit back and don't watch him or his isolated little cult town publishing a paper called the Islamic Post.

There are many things not compatible with U.S. law and I specifically listed them: Tazir, Hadd, and Qisas. Convenient that you won't address them specifically because it would destroy your argument.

Let's give you a clue since you're incapable of looking for them yourself:
1. Tazir: Tazir punishments are common in Sharia courts for less serious offenses.[18] Punishments vary with the nature of crime and include a prison term, flogging, a fine, banishment, and seizure of property. Execution is allowed in cases such as habitual homosexuality, practices which split the Muslim community, propagating heretical doctrines or espionage on behalf of an enemy of the Muslim state.[18][23][24] All four schools of fiqh (Madhhab), namely Hanafi, Maliki, Shafii and Hanbali, permit the death penalty at the discretion of the state or Qadi, for certain Tazir offenses.

2. Hadd/Hadud: These punishments were specified by the Quran, and in some instances by the Sunnah.[1][2][3] They are namely for adultery, fornication, accusing someone of illicit sex but failing to present four male Muslim eyewitnesses,[4][5] apostasy (opinion is not unanimous on this crime.[6]), consuming intoxicants, outrage (e.g rebellion against the lawful Caliph, other forms of mischief against the Muslim state, or highway robbery), robbery and theft.[7][8] Hudud offenses are overturned by the slightest of doubts (shubuhat).[9]

These punishments range from public lashing to publicly stoning to death, amputation of hands and crucifixion.[10] The crimes against hudud cannot be pardoned by the victim or by the state, and the punishments must be carried out in public.[11]

3. Qisas: an Islamic term meaning "retaliation in kind" or revenge,[1][2] "eye for an eye", "nemesis" or retributive justice. It is a category of crimes in Islamic jurisprudence, where Sharia allows equal retaliation as the punishment. Qisas principle is available against the accused, to the victim or victim's heirs, when a Muslim is murdered, suffers bodily injury or suffers property damage.[3] In the case of murder, Qisas means the right of a murder victim's nearest relative or Wali (ول&#1610😉 (legal guardian) to, if the court approves, take the life of the killer.[4]

4. Diyya: the financial compensation paid to the victim or heirs of a victim in the cases of murder, bodily harm or property damage. It is an alternative punishment to Qisas (equal retaliation). In Arabic, the word means both blood money and ransom, and it is spelled sometimes as Diya, Diyah or Diyeh.[citation needed]

Diyya compensation rates, under Sharia, have historically varied based on the gender and religion of the victim. Muslim women victims have typically been compensated at half the rate as Muslim male victims, while non-Muslims compensation rates have varied between 1/16th to half of a Muslim, for an equivalent case.[1][2][3]

So these are compatible with U.S. law? Are you fucking nuts?
 
What I find interesting is a bunch of people I have talked to secretly like what trump has to say and are thinking of voting for him. They just do not want to make it known publicly.

I wonder how many hidden voters would be uncovered during the actual elections.
 
Hugo Drax said:
What I find interesting is a bunch of people I have talked to secretly like what trump has to say and are thinking of voting for him. They just do not want to make it known publicly.

I wonder how many hidden voters would be uncovered during the actual elections.
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Are you jumping off the JEB! train?
 
This shutdown of Muslim statement will definitely give him a bump in the polls. I gotta give the man credit. On no money, he is fucking shredding the establishment candidates.

I have officially changed my opinion on him winning the primary. I had him at 0% chance of winning, I'm bumping that to 25% chance.
 
SP33Demon said:
Of course you should report for them for mocking America relative for Sharia Law and multiple armed guards in a house. Don't play stupid, of course you don't report someone for postcards. You put all of the facts together.
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So what should I say when I call the police? There are people with legally owned firearms in a building who are talking about Islam? That should go over well, haha.

Yes, he was found not guilty in Pakistan. Why do you think that is? And why is Pakistan still arresting people as recently as 2013 in the Daniel Pearl case? Because of incompetence, protection of iconic figures (Al Gilani claims to be a descendant of Muhammad), and rampant corruption there. It isn't a coincidence that Pearl was on his way to see this terrorist and he's magically captured by his buddies.
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He was also cleared by the FBI. Why do you think that is? Can you explain why you mentioned his arrest but not his later exoneration? Did you not know of it or did you deliberately not include it?

Yes, he's a terrorist because he's on multiple government lists. No, we haven't caught him in the act of doing anything wrong yet, but that doesn't mean we sit back and don't watch him or his isolated little cult town publishing a paper called the Islamic Post.
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Nice due process there. By your logic MLK was a terrorist, haha.

There are many things not compatible with U.S. law and I specifically listed them: Tazir, Hadd, and Qisas. Convenient that you won't address them specifically because it would destroy your argument.

So these are compatible with U.S. law? Are you fucking nuts?
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There is no need to address them. I can just point to the continuing instances of sharia law being applied in the US every day under the umbrella of US law. It's very simple. You are trying to take specific parts of some implementations of sharia law and declare that all implementations must be incompatible with US law because of it. Sorry, that's not how the world works.

You're irrationally afraid of Muslims for some reason and you've already been busted repeatedly making false or misleading posts. Why do you keep doing this?
 
He knows how to manipulate the media which allows him all the press while JEB! and Marco have spent nearly half their money before the first caucus. His numbers were dropping (in Iowa) and Cruz was gaining and he makes the Muslim statement.
 
shady28 said:
And of all Americans 46% support vs 40% oppose a temporary ban.

So once again, reality is that Trump hit on mainstream opinion that both Dems and Repubs are oblivious to.

Trump is not a real mainstream GOP Republican though. He is a populist. That's something we haven't seen in a very long time.
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What percentage supported Japanese internment camps or Jim Crow laws? I don't see how those numbers mean anything, it's not anywhere close to legal.
 
dainthomas said:
What percentage supported Japanese internment camps or Jim Crow laws? I don't see how those numbers mean anything, it's not anywhere close to legal.
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Do you trust your government to properly screen these muslim immigrants? Remember that one such VERY recent immigrant (the woman) just went on the biggest terrorist strike on American soil since 911.

There is literally no other type of immigrant, not a single one that have done comparable things.
 
dainthomas said:
What percentage supported Japanese internment camps or Jim Crow laws? I don't see how those numbers mean anything, it's not anywhere close to legal.
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He is not talking about this.

Trump says I will no longer allow Muslims immigrating into the US until things clear up.

I would not be surprised if a lot of people secretly agree with him but will say the PC thing in public or say nothing.

Trump knows the game and he is playing it well. The Media is just adding fuel to the fire.
 
SP33Demon said:
What would Christians really stand to gain when getting more power? lol. You are paranoid. Maybe banning abortion would be the most extreme thing that would come of that, but otherwise Christians have gotten everything they've wanted for a long time. Also, the Bible doesn't call for a theocracy and never has. What did Jesus say in Matthew regarding taxes? That you give Caesar what's his and God what is his, i.e. you pay your taxes and listen to the government if that is what the government tells you to do and you give whatever else you can to God. Romans 13 also makes it very clear that Christians are to submit to government "for there is no authority [government] except from12 God, and those which exist are established by God.”
https://bible.org/seriespage/26-laws-land-romans-131-14

Radical muslims are a threat to everyone, not just christians: atheist, gays, women, all other religions. Anything that undermines the separation of church and state will be their own doing, not some Christian conspiracy to gain more power which wouldn't do them any good outside of abortion.
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Seriously, you're an idiot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology
 
bshole said:
Do you trust your government to properly screen these muslim immigrants? Remember that one such VERY recent immigrant (the woman) just went on the biggest terrorist strike on American soil since 911.

There is literally no other type of immigrant, not a single one that have done comparable things.
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To expand on this point. The one thing that I have noticed that ALL Muslim terrorists have in common is this: NONE OF THEM HAD A SINGLE CLOSE CHISTIAN/AHEIST/JEWISH friend. That is such a red flag.

My daughter's best friend is a black muslim. She is a fantastic person with friends that are Atheist/Christian/Jewish. This indicates that to me that she is a tolerant person and would never involve herself in Islamic extremism.

If we are to let in Muslims, they should provide non-Muslim references who are close personal friends. Doing so would immediately make them different from every known Muslim terrorist to date. It is undeniable proof of their ability to tolerate differing viewpoints.
 
eskimospy said:
So what should I say when I call the police? There are people with legally owned firearms in a building who are talking about Islam? That should go over well, haha.

He was also cleared by the FBI. Why do you think that is? Can you explain why you mentioned his arrest but not his later exoneration? Did you not know of it or did you deliberately not include it?

Nice due process there. By your logic MLK was a terrorist, haha.

There is no need to address them. I can just point to the continuing instances of sharia law being applied in the US every day under the umbrella of US law. It's very simple. You are trying to take specific parts of some implementations of sharia law and declare that all implementations must be incompatible with US law because of it. Sorry, that's not how the world works.

You're irrationally afraid of Muslims for some reason and you've already been busted repeatedly making false or misleading posts. Why do you keep doing this?
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There is a dire need to discuss Tazir, Hadd, Qisas, and Diyya regarding Sharia Law and how it pertains to our laws and I'm not surprised you won't go there. You realize that entire countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan practice them? And that the US Government knew Syed Farook's mailorder bride hailed from Pakistan yet still allowed her into our country? How many other Sharia Law immigrants from these countries are hiding/waiting to attack? Many more.

He was cleared by the FBI because he was cleared by Pakistan. Don't be dense, especially since our computer hackers traced the IP to another source. But to say that Al-Gilani had nothing to do with Pearl's abduction is BS, he was involved because he was one that Pearl was traveling to interview. He covered his tracks well because he's somewhat of a celebrity over there. It's akin to arresting a mob boss when the hit was put out and executed by his underlings - of course the mob boss isn't going to be arrested when a crime was committed on his home turf - he didn't directly do the deed.

Bottom line is that Islamberg was founded by a shady figure with terrorist ties to Pearl's death and they are most likely practicing sharia law. No, there is no proof of any violence other than locals in nearby towns reporting gunfire and explosions but that is legal. That doesn't mean we should sit back and not check in on them from time to time via our reporters. If you want to run a private town with armed guards, better be prepared for the scrutiny.
 
VRAMdemon said:
Lol..The Donald is not only going to cleanse the nation of muslims, but the internet as well. Or something.

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/trump-closing-the-internet-up-in-some-way/?tw=dd



I like how he thinks Bill Gates has an "Internet Off" button in his study or something.
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SP33Demon said:
There is a dire need to discuss Tazir, Hadd, Qisas, and Diyya regarding Sharia Law and how it pertains to our laws and I'm not surprised you won't go there.
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There's no need at all. As I keep telling you, Sharia law is used in the US... today. If it's incompatible with US law how is this happening?

You realize that entire countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan practice them? And that the US Government knew Syed Farook's mailorder bride hailed from Pakistan yet still allowed her into our country? How many other Sharia Law immigrants from these countries are hiding/waiting to attack? Many more.
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I don't see how the fact that Saudia Arabia practices Sharia law has any bearing on this discussion whatsoever.

He was cleared by the FBI because he was cleared by Pakistan. Don't be dense, especially since our computer hackers traced the IP to another source. But to say that Al-Gilani had nothing to do with Pearl's abduction is BS, he was involved because he was one that Pearl was traveling to interview. He covered his tracks well because he's somewhat of a celebrity over there. It's akin to arresting a mob boss when the hit was put out and executed by his underlings - of course the mob boss isn't going to be arrested when a crime was committed on his home turf - he didn't directly do the deed.
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So Pakistan cleared him because it's corrupt, the FBI cleared him because Pakistan is corrupt (?!) and the reason you can't find any evidence to link him to the abduction the reason is because he's such an expert mob boss type criminal.

I like how you start with your conclusion and literally no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise. As each piece of contrary information comes in you just increase the size of the conspiracy. This is not rational. Again, I'm still waiting for the reason why you chose not to include his multiple exonerations while including his arrest. What's up with that? It seems to be a deliberate attempt at deception.

Bottom line is that Islamberg was founded by a shady figure with terrorist ties to Pearl's death and they are most likely practicing sharia law. No, there is no proof of any violence other than locals in nearby towns reporting gunfire and explosions but that is legal. That doesn't mean we should sit back and not check in on them from time to time via our reporters. If you want to run a private town with armed guards, better be prepared for the scrutiny.
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This is a paragraph filled with false statements, unproven assertions, and baffling blanket statements. Seriously guy, lay off the crazy websites.
 
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