Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US

[SP33Demon]

Eskimo, let's apply what is going on at Islamberg to a house in your neighborhood.

Let's say a known founder of a Pakistani terror org moves in next door who you found on the internet quoting crazy shit about making humans kill other humans. Then a postcard from Pakistan is accidentally delivered to your house mocking the fact that Americans haven't known that Sharia Law is already here (what idiots those Americans are!). Then you go over there to ask them about it, and 2 men brandishing rifles answer the door and tell you to go away and get off their property. You wouldn't report this shit? Are you kidding me?

 

[Brainonska511]

And there are a number of these private towns in the US owned by different religious cults.

One that comes to mind is Kiryas Joel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York

Sex separated public park, just one of a number of issues that community has seen over the last 30 years, in addition to schemes to use public funding for religious schools, etc...

 

[brycejones]

Except these are towns with hundreds of people, not a house with 2 people in it.

Fine, ignore what is going on right within our noses in these No Go Towns until they kill again.

So what is your religiously neutral approach? Surveillance of all closed PRIVATE communities? Also has any homegrown or foreign grown jihadist been associated with any of these communities you are so afraid of? Or are you merely pissed off at a group that for some reason chooses to protect their privacy?

 

[fskimospy]

Eskimo, let's apply what is going on at Islamberg to a house in your neighborhood.

Let's say a known founder of a Pakistani terror org moves in next door who you found on the internet quoting crazy shit about making humans kill other humans. Then a postcard from Pakistan is accidentally delivered to your house mocking the fact that Americans haven't known that Sharia Law is already here (what idiots those Americans are!). Then you go over there to ask them about it, and 2 men brandishing rifles answer the door and tell you to go away and get off their property. You wouldn't report this shit? Are you kidding me?

You read waaaaaaay too much infowars. Again, do you believe in chemtrails and that the government was involved in 9/11? Infowars does. It's a right wing nutter site for insane people.

1. The idea that he's a 'known founder of a Pakistani terror org' is heavily disputed, and even if it were true, the guy himself doesn't live there.

2. If people wrote postcards from Pakistan that said sharia law was in the US I couldn't possibly care less. If people want to use sharia in their private dealings they are welcome to do so, so long as their actions comport with US law, which by all indications theirs does. I would in fact celebrate it, because things like that are what the US is all about and Islam is hardly the only religion that does that sort of thing in the US.

It would in fact be unamerican and deeply wrong to 'report' someone for that. I would be far angrier at whatever nut was against consenting people resolving disputes in a legal manner that worked best for them. Are you that nut?

3. People brandishing weapons and telling me to leave their property would absolutely alarm me, but presumably those weapons are legally owned. I find it funny how conservatives are all about gun ownership but think that Muslims that legally own firearms should be 'reported' for some nebulous action.

 

[brycejones]

One that comes to mind is Kiryas Joel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryas_Joel,_New_York

Sex separated public park, just one of a number of issues that community has seen over the last 30 years, in addition to schemes to use public funding for religious schools, etc...

Wonder why speedy isn't freaking out about this town. Sounds like they have gone much further in actually subverting secular rules on publicly owned land than the example he gave.

 

[brycejones]

3. People brandishing weapons and telling me to leave their property would absolutely alarm me, but presumably those weapons are legally owned. I find it funny how conservatives are all about gun ownership but think that Muslims that legally own firearms should be 'reported' for some nebulous action.

A white guy openly carrying a gun is practicing his god given rights. A brown guy openly carrying a gun is a someone who should be reported as threatening.

I think that pretty much sums up their world view.

 

[realibrad]

I live close to a fairly large Islamic community and I interact with them on a daily basis. How often do you interact with Muslims? If you were able to get over your irrational fear you might find that they are wonderful people. If I saw someone attempting to harm another individual I would of course report them, regardless of their religion. I have not seen anything like this, however, and I am not filled with an irrational fear of Muslims. You should try it sometime.

The vast majority of Muslims in this country are normal people. I have no worries about living in this country with the Muslims we have here, because usually when they get here they are just typical people. I think the difference we have is that I think Islam has a terrorism problem when compared to other big religions.

Religious morals are becoming more outdated every year. Lucky for me I live in a place with a religion that went through a reformation. The US was on a slide back for a while during and after the cold war, but I think we are getting back on track to becoming more secular.

Countries that are populated with mostly Muslim followers are not following a secular trend. Turkey which was considered to be a secular Muslim country has been a major supporter of ISIS. Iran in the 70's before the US fucked it up was amazingly different. There is a trend in Muslim countries that should be worrying to the world, but to hold that view gets you labeled a bigot.

If things don't calm down, the west will become a bigger target. Right now Muslim terrorists attack mainly other Muslims. If ISIS were to focus their billions on non Muslim targets the world would greatly change. Its actually kinda sad that we just leave the Arab world to burn.

 

[fskimospy]

Wonder why speedy isn't freaking out about this town. Sounds like they have gone much further in actually subverting secular rules on publicly owned land than the example he gave.

I will give you exactly one guess, haha.

It is funny that the Hasidim come up. In New York the Hasidic community is FAR more insular than any Islamic community I am aware of, and there is direct evidence of Hasidim committing pretty horrific crimes that often go unpunished, specifically a lot of molestation. Communities there avoid prosecution through the intimidation of witnesses by threats of violence, eviction, etc, etc. Somehow this doesn't end up on the radar of conservatives, but entirely peaceful communities of Muslims are the stuff of fever dreams.

I wonder why? Can you imagine what our good friend Speedy would say if Muslims were found to be preventing witnesses from testifying against them by threats of violence?

 

[SP33Demon]

You read waaaaaaay too much infowars. Again, do you believe in chemtrails and that the government was involved in 9/11? Infowars does. It's a right wing nutter site for insane people.

1. The idea that he's a 'known founder of a Pakistani terror org' is heavily disputed, and even if it were true, the guy himself doesn't live there.

2. If people wrote postcards from Pakistan that said sharia law was in the US I couldn't possibly care less. If people want to use sharia in their private dealings they are welcome to do so, so long as their actions comport with US law, which by all indications theirs does. I would in fact celebrate it, because things like that are what the US is all about and Islam is hardly the only religion that does that sort of thing in the US.

It would in fact be unamerican and deeply wrong to 'report' someone for that. I would be far angrier at whatever nut was against consenting people resolving disputes in a legal manner that worked best for them. Are you that nut?

3. People brandishing weapons and telling me to leave their property would absolutely alarm me, but presumably those weapons are legally owned. I find it funny how conservatives are all about gun ownership but think that Muslims that legally own firearms should be 'reported' for some nebulous action.

Pretty funny, I never mentioned infowars in that post but you're still ranting about it. The hate is strong in this one, Obi Wan. Maybe you should put something about them in your sig? The fact of the matter is infowars uncovered facts about this place that = very suspicious and fit multiple checkboxes for a radical breeding ground. Hell, I even forgot to mention that FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force is monitoring Islamberg but it's nothing to you. Keep living in that bubble.

1. An Islamic terrorist founded/bankrolled/led the creation of it, who cares if he doesn't actually live there because he prefers a true Sharia Law country like Pakistan?

2. Sharia is incompatible with US Law. Are you that naïve? Do you even know what Sharia Law is?

3. So armed guards in a house wouldn't be enough of an alarm to report them? Let alone who owns the house, and the fact he's getting postcards from Islamic countries mocking America? lmao, I give up. I'm glad we have the JTTF at least monitoring them, if open-arms-open-borders liberals like you were running the country we'd be fucked.

 

[SP33Demon]

Wonder why speedy isn't freaking out about this town. Sounds like they have gone much further in actually subverting secular rules on publicly owned land than the example he gave.

I agree with you guys, that town is freaking batshit crazy. And 40% under the poverty level and getting handouts from the government? Screw that. However, they aren't the ones shooting people up so from the standpoint of a terror threat, it's a lot less than a place like Islamberg.

Anyone, please point me to a mass attack committed by a Hasidic Jew in the U.S. It doesn't exist.

EDIT: Err 66% under poverty level and reproducing like rabbits - what a place.

 

[brycejones]

Pretty funny, I never mentioned infowars in that post but you're still ranting about it. The hate is strong in this one, Obi Wan. Maybe you should put something about them in your sig? The fact of the matter is infowars uncovered facts about this place that is very suspicious and fits multiple checkboxes for a radical breeding ground.

Translation "They called me a nutter and told me to fuck off" must be terrorists.

Hell, I even forgot to mention that FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force is monitoring Islamberg but it's nothing to you.

Source?

 

[brycejones]

I agree with you guys, that town is freaking batshit crazy. And 40% under the poverty level and getting handouts from the government? Screw that. However, they aren't the ones shooting people up so from the standpoint of a terror threat, it's a lot less than a place like Islamberg.

Point to ONE terrorist directly linked to Islamberg. You're condemning the community with no evidence beyond they enforce their right to privacy on private property.

 

[fskimospy]

Pretty funny, I never mentioned infowars in that post but you're still ranting about it. The hate is strong in this one, Obi Wan. Maybe you should put something about them in your sig? The fact of the matter is infowars uncovered facts about this place that is very suspicious and fits multiple checkboxes for a radical breeding ground.

You're the one that linked to it. The fact of the matter is nothing of the sort as infowars is an entirely unreliable site. I wouldn't believe them if they told me it was raining while I was standing in it. They are seriously a conspiracy theory site for crazy people.

Hell, I even forgot to mention that FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force is monitoring Islamberg but it's nothing to you. Keep living in that bubble.

Even if true, the idea that someone is guilty of anything because the government is monitoring them is pretty hilarious. How wonderfully fascistic of you.

1. An Islamic terrorist founded/bankrolled/led the creation of it, who cares if he doesn't actually live there because he prefers a true Sharia Law country like Pakistan?

So now he's an Islamic terrorist. lol. You're the one that keeps bringing up this guy.

2. Sharia is incompatible with US Law. Are you that naïve? Do you even know what Sharia Law is?

It most certainly is not. Some formulations of it may be, but decisions are made based in Sharia law in the US probably every single day in ways that are entirely compatible with US law. Our law specifically allows for adjudication of disputes through alternate arbitration methods like Sharia so long as both parties consent, and that's exactly the sort of thing that happens in Islamberg. I have a strong suspicion that you have no idea what Sharia law is or how it is practiced in the US, with your ignorance probably filled in by conspiracy nutter websites like infowars.

3. So armed guards in a house wouldn't be enough of an alarm to report them? Let alone who owns the house, and the fact he's getting postcards from Islamic countries mocking America? lmao, I give up.

So to be clear you would like me to report people to the police for legally owning firearms in their own home and getting postcards that made fun of the US. Exactly what would you like me to say to the police?

 

[Kev]

I live close to a fairly large Islamic community and I interact with them on a daily basis. How often do you interact with Muslims? If you were able to get over your irrational fear you might find that they are wonderful people. If I saw someone attempting to harm another individual I would of course report them, regardless of their religion. I have not seen anything like this, however, and I am not filled with an irrational fear of Muslims. You should try it sometime.

You seem to have a problem with looking at anecdotal examples while ignoring the big picture.

To be clear, don't lump me in with the lunatics who think we should ban all muslims. I recognize that the vast majority of muslims are good people. But there is a subset of those that are primarily motivated by a set of ridiculous religious beliefs.

 

[SP33Demon]

Point to ONE terrorist directly linked to Islamberg. You're condemning the community with no evidence beyond they enforce their right to privacy on private property.

They practice Islam and Sharia Law (and were founded by an alleged terrorist). The same code that the nutters who just shot up San Bernardino. Combined with their isolation, it's ripe for radicalization. A shame you would never report anything, including the reported gunfire and bombs going off there by locals in neighboring towns.

 

[Brainonska511]

It most certainly is not. Some formulations of it may be, but decisions are made based in Sharia law in the US probably every single day in ways that are entirely compatible with US law. Our law specifically allows for adjudication of disputes through alternate arbitration methods like Sharia so long as both parties consent, and that's exactly the sort of thing that happens in Islamberg. I have a strong suspicion that you have no idea what Sharia law is or how it is practiced in the US, with your ignorance probably filled in by conspiracy nutter websites like infowars.

I'm waiting for him to start complaining about other religions that use that "alternative adjudication".

http://nyti.ms/1izsuOf

Arbitration that uses the Holy Bible as the final rule of law, Scientology-based arbitration, etc...

These examples are very real examples of religions attempting (and in some cases, succeeding) in usurping people's rights, yet here he is, screaming about literally imaginary problems. What a nut.

 

[Kev]

It most certainly is not. Some formulations of it may be, but decisions are made based in Sharia law in the US probably every single day in ways that are entirely compatible with US law. Our law specifically allows for adjudication of disputes through alternate arbitration methods like Sharia so long as both parties consent, and that's exactly the sort of thing that happens in Islamberg. I have a strong suspicion that you have no idea what Sharia law is or how it is practiced in the US, with your ignorance probably filled in by conspiracy nutter websites like infowars.

Dude get a grip. Separation of church and state. Sharia is inherently incompatible.

 

[fskimospy]

Dude get a grip. Separation of church and state. Sharia is inherently incompatible.

Are you saying that the disputes resolved using sharia law on a daily basis aren't happening, or are you saying it's happening and illegal?

I just want to be clear on what nutty thing you are arguing.

 

[brycejones]

I'm waiting for him to start complaining about other religions that use that "alternative adjudication".

http://nyti.ms/1izsuOf

Arbitration that uses the Holy Bible as the final rule of law, Scientology-based arbitration, etc...

These examples are very real examples of religions attempting (and in some cases, succeeding) in usurping people's rights, yet here he is, screaming about literally imaginary problems. What a nut.

Dude get a grip. Separation of church and state. Sharia is inherently incompatible.

Kev get a grip. The state is not involved its private arbitration with the consent of the parties involved.

 

[FrankRamiro]

I Find it ironic that Liberals are falling all over themselves to import more Islam. One of the most intolerant religions in the world.

See how Gays are treated in Pakistan and what they think of women rights.

So in essence why would you want more of that in the US?

We already have Christians foaming at the mouth when it comes to Abortion and gays.

Islam takes it up a notch, they throw gays off a cliff as punishment for being homosexual.

We should ban Immigrants from Pakistan,Syria,Egypt,etc.. the hotbed countries.

Yes the F****** liberals want these people here,till their families are killed by these terrorists,
remember you never know what type of moslim comes to here,they all are nice people till the start to kill us,look at these 2 nice people that most people that had contact with them said nice things about them,and see what happened,Trump is right no Moslim should be trusted,i'm sorry to say that,but there is an old say,just pays for the sinner

 

[SP33Demon]

You're the one that linked to it. The fact of the matter is nothing of the sort as infowars is an entirely unreliable site. I wouldn't believe them if they told me it was raining while I was standing in it. They are seriously a conspiracy theory site for crazy people.

Even if true, the idea that someone is guilty of anything because the government is monitoring them is pretty hilarious. How wonderfully fascistic of you.

So now he's an Islamic terrorist. lol. You're the one that keeps bringing up this guy.

It most certainly is not. Some formulations of it may be, but decisions are made based in Sharia law in the US probably every single day in ways that are entirely compatible with US law. Our law specifically allows for adjudication of disputes through alternate arbitration methods like Sharia so long as both parties consent, and that's exactly the sort of thing that happens in Islamberg. I have a strong suspicion that you have no idea what Sharia law is or how it is practiced in the US, with your ignorance probably filled in by conspiracy nutter websites like infowars.

So to be clear you would like me to report people to the police for legally owning firearms in their own home and getting postcards that made fun of the US. Exactly what would you like me to say to the police?

So you wouldn't report them for things worse than what Syed Farook was doing? Are you kidding me? Everyone reading, this is a good example why our country is fucked. Get ready for more attacks folks.

Yes, the founder of that town has been linked to Ul Fuqra and lives in Pakistan. Go look it up, in fact Daniel Pearl was last seen on his way to interview him. You know what happened to Daniel Pearl? He was beheaded by AQ 19 days later. But not suspicious at all.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sheik-gilani/

Sheik Mubarek Gilani is the man Daniel Pearl was on the way to meet him when The "Wall Street Journal" reporter was kidnapped.

Gilani is a mysterious figure in the Islamic world. He is said to be a direct descendant of the Prophet Mohammed. But for Pearl two other things set him apart. First, Gilani along with his followers have appeared on the State Department’s list of terrorist organizations. Second, and even more provocative, the sheik has thousands of disciples who live right here in the United States. Dan Rather reports.

Pearl was following a lead. He thought that Richard Reid, the alleged shoe bomber, may have been a part of Gilani’s network of disciples. When 60 Minutes II Reporter George Crile arrived in Pakistan on Feb. 11, 19 days after Pearl had been taken captive, Pearl’s fate was still unknown. But Gilani was now behind bars, a principal suspect in Pearl’s kidnapping.

In the world of militant Islam, Khalid Khawaja seems to be a friend of just about everyone. Osama Bin Laden is one of his closest friends. But he is even closer to Gilani, and that’s why last January, when Pearl wanted to reach Gilani, he came to Islamabad to find Khawaja.

Khawaja told Crile that he had met with Pearl. “He came to me, in, I think, in the end of September, maybe. Or, somewhere in that, he called me from Bombay. That he is coming to Karachi. Then he came to Karachi. And he asked me to introduce him with some people in Karachi. I did that.” He says he specifically told Pearl that Sheik Gilani would not see him.

“He kept on calling me on various occasions, and asking my opinion, and discussing certain things with me. And then he just disappeared,” says Khawaja.

Pearl disappeared into the hands of his kidnappers in Karachi and soon after, Gilani was jailed as the principal suspect.

And not suspicious at all that this Gilani terrorist and his buddies founded Islamberg. No, not suspicious at all that Daniel Pearl was looking for him and ended up beheaded by radical Islam.

2. Sharia law is not compatible with our laws, not even if "both people consent". It's not legal to chop off someone's hands regardless of who consents. Hadd, Qisas, and Tazir and honor killings are not legal regardless of who consents. Read up young man on Hadd, Qisas, and Tazir. You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[buckshot24]

Religion is what convinces suicide bombers that they will be rewarded in the afterlife.

Broad brush there mate.

 

[brycejones]

They practice Islam and Sharia Law (and were founded by an alleged terrorist). The same code that the nutters who just shot up San Bernardino. Combined with their isolation, it's ripe for radicalization. A shame you would never report anything, including the reported gunfire and bombs going off there by locals in neighboring towns.

So you can't really link them to anything just you're scared. Got it.

I also noticed you neglected to provide a source for your statement they were being monitored by the FBI. Perhaps that was just an oversight.

 

[buckshot24]

A good read:

Wounded British soldier shuts up anti-Muslims

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2015...uts-up-anti-muslim-racists-with-epic-message/

Muslims aren't a race.

 

[fskimospy]

So you wouldn't report them for things worse than what Syed Farook was doing? Are you kidding me? Everyone reading, this is a good example why our country is fucked. Get ready for more attacks folks.

Again, what exactly should I report them for? What should I say to the police? Should I report all members of the community that legally own firearms and get postcards? If not, how should I discern between them?

Yes, the founder of that town has been linked to Ul Fuqra and lives in Pakistan. Go look it up, in fact Daniel Pearl was last seen on his way to interview him. You know what happened to Daniel Pearl? He was beheaded by AQ 19 days later. But not suspicious at all.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sheik-gilani/

And not suspicious at all that this Gilani terrorist and his buddies founded Islamberg. No, not suspicious at all that Daniel Pearl was looking for him and ended up beheaded by radical Islam.

It's very curious that you neglected to mention that he was later found to have absolutely no involvement in that crime by both Pakistani and US law enforcement. From an interview sourced on wiki:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/10/siu.02.html

From an FBI agent assigned to the case:

I had the opportunity to sit down and interview with Sheikh Gilani. And when 15 minutes went into the interview, our feelings were that Sheikh Gilani was not involved in this.

Can you explain why you did not include this very important and salient fact? Is it because you were trying to deceive us? Were you deceived by your own sources?

2. Sharia law is not compatible with our laws, not even if "both people consent". It's not legal to chop off someone's hands regardless of who consents. Hadd, Qisas, and Tazir and honor killings are not legal regardless of who consents. Read up young man on Hadd, Qisas, and Tazir. You have no idea what you're talking about.

There are many, many implementations and interpretations of Sharia law, many of which are entirely compatible with US law. As proof, just look inside the US where this sort of thing happens on a daily basis. You have no idea what you're talking about. Stop reading nutter websites, you'll be glad you did.