Trump and potential mental illness

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Hayabusa Rider

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Or the complete opposite. Only time will tell.

Thing is that time has already told on some important matters, like Trump's attitude on the Constitution. In an interview I watched quite some time ago (I believe it was during the primaries) Trump was asked about terrorism and his stated plans of action in regarding to the Constitution. The response was very close to "Well the Constitution is important but people understand that security is paramount".

Stop right there. Trumps plans on dealing with terrorism render the Constitution secondary to his concerns. How screwed up is that? No President has that authority, ever. That Presidents have been granted extraordinary powers in extraordinary situations like the Civil War, that cannot be permitted to stand in matters of policy we've been dealing with for decades.

It could be that he is the trigger for rebellion against the system which led to this situation. Tearing down the two parties and redoing business as usual would ultimately be beneficial IMO, but in himself there is no merit to be found.
 
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I believe Trump represents a danger and there will be a time when he acts in such a way that he can be removed and should be.

But he is not crazy. He has issues, but many do yet not follow his path. People also do bad things while being sane in a legal sense. Whatever goes into making it aside, there is evil and we must use every proper means to oppose it, but note proper lest we become what we protest.
The devil is in what proper is.
 
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Trump isn't generally considered a fool or an idiot or mentally ill, at least not by sane, functioning people. He's considered a very smart, competent business man with very few ethics, mainly because he was raised to be above normal societal norms of politeness, discretion and, well, humanity, and has the business savvy to be a complete dickhead with no appreciable consequences. He's the picture of an entitled asshole. He's also smart enough to simultaneously outsmart Hillary, the Democrats, the GOP establishment and the media.

"Yelling really loud all that time and not giving a single shit about the words that come out of your mouth" doesn't take brains, and it really isn't any kind of savvy.

That is the only way that he has ever "won," at anything. He is, quite plainly, a complete idiot. The reason he stands above other idiots and actual smart people is that even the majority of loud-mouthed idiots maintain some compunction of decency, morality, and some hint of ethics. Donald has none, and he simply doesn't give a shit. What separates him, then, from those very few like him with zero scruples, is that he inherited an essentially secure stash of money that less than 1% of people in this world will ever be able to play with.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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The devil is in what proper is.

For some, but not for you I think. If there is legal cause then jump on it. People cannot become like he is and create an unfounded lie, or violent action on his person. Even now the Golden Rule applies. Justice done as you would have it done for yourself. There is no moral alternative, but that does not mean sitting back and accepting. Challenge wrong and keep him in court for it. Point out the lies until something sticks. Be responsible in thought and deed. If others feel any means justifies the end then I cannot participate. It's not in my nature.
 
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For some, but not for you I think. If there is legal cause then jump on it. People cannot become like he is and create an unfounded lie, or violent action on his person. Even now the Golden Rule applies. Justice done as you would have it done for yourself. There is no moral alternative, but that does not mean sitting back and accepting. Challenge wrong and keep him in court for it. Point out the lies until something sticks. Be responsible in thought and deed. If others feel any means justifies the end then I cannot participate. It's not in my nature.
Let us hope such avenues of redress never close. That is the place I never what to be in.
 
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werepossum

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And why do you think people might react differently to comparing Obama to a monkey as opposed to Bush?
Party. It's not like you'd go berserk if the same were done to Ben Carson. (Although unlike Obama and W, Carson doesn't have the ears to make it funny.)
 

fskimospy

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Party. It's not like you'd go berserk if the same were done to Ben Carson. (Although unlike Obama and W, Carson doesn't have the ears to make it funny.)

If you think that you're nuts. I would absolutely find it incredibly offensive if anyone referred to Carson using racist stereotypes like comparing him to an ape.

It's very enlightening to see that you view racism selectively based on political party and project that onto others though.
 

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If you think that you're nuts. I would absolutely find it incredibly offensive if anyone referred to Carson using racist stereotypes like comparing him to an ape.

It's very enlightening to see that you view racism selectively based on political party and project that onto others though.

It's noteworthy that Carson is both despised and routinely mocked by democrats, liberals, and the left, and I've never seen racial stereotypes used by any of those groups.
 

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It's noteworthy that Carson is both despised and routinely mocked by democrats, liberals, and the left, and I've never seen racial stereotypes used by any of those groups.

It's amazing how twisted some people's perceptions of reality have become that they think people only consider racial stereotypes offensive because of someone's political party.
 

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If you think that you're nuts. I would absolutely find it incredibly offensive if anyone referred to Carson using racist stereotypes like comparing him to an ape.

It's very enlightening to see that you view racism selectively based on political party and project that onto others though.
Of course you would. I remember all the times where you were incredibly offended by black conservatives being called Uncle Toms and house n****rs. Oh, wait, I guess I don't recall you ever speaking up.
 

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It's amazing how twisted some people's perceptions of reality have become that they think people only consider racial stereotypes offensive because of someone's political party.

The behavior of republicans, conservatives, and the right is increasingly indefensible. The best they can do is insist that the other side is guilty of it too, so any criticism must be hypocritical. That's why DSF keeps posting that image of dead refugees. When you have images of children in handcuffs, it's the only card you're left with. That's where all this fanaticism has led these people.
 

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The behavior of republicans, conservatives, and the right is increasingly indefensible. The best they can do is insist that the other side is guilty of it too, so any criticism must be hypocritical. That's why DSF keeps posting that image of dead refugees. When you have images of children in handcuffs, it's the only card you're left with. That's where all this fanaticism has led these people.
You seem oddly taken with the image of children in handcuffs. Am I to assume that you are now incensed by the children handcuffed due to progressive policies banning such heinous behavior as pretending that one's finger is actually a gun or drawing a gun?

Hmm, let's check: http://www.snopes.com/small-child-handcuffed-at-dulles/
 

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/bernie-sanders-trump-delusional-liar/

Sanders calls him delusional.

There are really only two options with Trump. Either he is delusional and off his damn rocker, or, he's one of the most heinous despicable lying pieces of shit out there. He has a history of saying totally insane false conspiracy theories in public.

Either he is mentally ill and believes these delusions or he's a lying bag of feces who spreads conspiracy theories knowing there are a significant number of people dumb or brainwashed enough to believe this shit. Just look at the Obama birtherism nonsense. People actually believed that shit he was peddling.
 
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It's noteworthy that Carson is both despised and routinely mocked by democrats, liberals, and the left, and I've never seen racial stereotypes used by any of those groups.
Can you say the same about the emails and tweets Senator Scott of South Carolina is receiving? Being called a House Negro sure does seems to meet the stereotype criteria.
 

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/1-in-5-ceos-are-psychopaths-australian-study-finds/
http://thehustle.co/your-ceo-is-probably-a-psychopath
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...paths-only-21-percent/?utm_term=.7f918502b907

Id be willing to bet Trump is the CEO of more than one company...........so multiply his chances by how many companies he runs, and youll figure out why hes so erratic...........

Heh, are you serious ?

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Jhhnn

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/bernie-sanders-trump-delusional-liar/

Sanders calls him delusional.

There are really only two options with Trump. Either he is delusional and off his damn rocker, or, he's one of the most heinous despicable lying pieces of shit out there. He has a history of saying totally insane false conspiracy theories in public.

Either he is mentally ill and believes these delusions or he's a lying bag of feces who spreads conspiracy theories knowing there are a significant number of people dumb or brainwashed enough to believe this shit. Just look at the Obama birtherism nonsense. People actually believed that shit he was peddling.

Trump is not a liar. He's worse. He's the world's greatest bullshit artiste-

https://newrepublic.com/article/124803/donald-trump-not-liar

Trump doesn't know the truth nor does he care. He creates & exploits an image of truth in people's minds.
 

Jhhnn

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The thing that makes Trump rather unique is the absolute inanity, obviousness and ubiquity of his lies. I believe this has never been witnesses before in American president. I mean they all have lied but none have lied to the point where reality has been rendered meaningless.

Decades of right wing agitprop have inhibited cognitive functions in all too many people, particularly conservatives. Their leadership has been so insincere for so long that they can no longer detect it. Their bullshit detectors are switched off.
 

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I don't think this is far off base. I think Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are far more malevolent than Trump, who is basically a toddler in a man's body.

I have to agree. Except for the toddler part. A toddler is more open minded to learning new things.
 

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Decades of right wing agitprop have inhibited cognitive functions in all too many people, particularly conservatives. Their leadership has been so insincere for so long that they can no longer detect it. Their bullshit detectors are switched off.

Yet they were able to call you on your bullshit many times. How is that possible?
 
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Of course you would. I remember all the times where you were incredibly offended by black conservatives being called Uncle Toms and house n****rs. Oh, wait, I guess I don't recall you ever speaking up.

I'm curious if you really can't understand this or just feel compelled to play dumb out of self-interest.

A similar self-interest to protecting & generally relating to trump & white nationalist pals than people concerned about that sort.
 

BonzaiDuck

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It only puts folks off for me to sit on my high chair and say that I'd been warning of this since Trump first announced his candidacy in 2015. But I don't care if folks are "put off."

For about 15 years, I had been studying the history, published works and unpublished writings of a man who was recruited in 1950 by CIA. This was during the great Stalin Panic. In his own memoir, Richard Helms, who had known the man well enough since their sojourn in 1954 Havana, refuses to cite the books of his associate (a total of five or six published) or even mention of his name, despite citations of about just every other CIA author between the 1950s and Helms 1979(?) retirement. Helms specifically noted that there was a dearth of psychologists for screening recruits in 1950, during a massive build-up of personnel in face of the "Panic."

The man -- I'll call him Citizen X for the time being -- was born on Halloween, 1921. His father died when X was about 7. His mother doted on him: a letter from her written at that time to her son as a keepsake would make the reader almost uncomfortable for a certain tone of affection. X wanted to be an actor. After all, Halloween coincided with his birthday, and the tradition of masquerade for tricks-or-treats parallels basic notions of the acting profession. But putting it all together from there, he had an affinity for the spotlight. He liked the attention. It would be addictive, as he would always be energized by an audience from the stage.

So I started looking closely at X's books as part of some armchair research I started around the year 2000. And for some reason, I felt like I knew the author too well. Use your head: it would be the most obvious reason, but even then, I didn't realize it personally. And I made some hypotheses about what I might find in those books, which required vetting by CIA colleagues for any sort of publication. Those hypotheses turned out to be True, as stark as a BlackJack hand with a King and an Ace. The publication gauntlet would present a challenge to someone who might play a game with himself in his dealings with others. Call it "I'm smarter than you are." Or "the people I work with are so stupid!"

If we wanted to look at other aspects of the narcissistically disordered, we find failed marriages, a lack of empathy for others, a bold and brash confidence on the outside but a self-esteem deficit and insecurity on the inside. Think of "the mouse that roared." There is an inclination to jealousy of others. The narcissist often thinks he's on some grand mission or project, and once he is able to define this mission or project on his own terms, he will pursue it without regard to how it may hurt others who get in the way.

If I wanted some analog in popular cinema to explain the psychological pathology, I might go back as far as Fritz Lang's "M" or "Der Kinder Mord." A different twist to the same profile could be found in the original and remake of "The Gambler" featuring respectively James Caan and Mark Wahlburg. And, in fact, the narcissist is often given over to addictions that both he and others would fail to see: sexual addictions, addictions to public exposure, gambling, substance abuse. To such a person, it would be reassuring to boast in public that he "doesn't drink, doesn't take drugs, never smokes."

You would more often find narcissists in the entertainment world -- of course. It only makes sense. People so self-centered, that they are really incapable of loving others or having concern for others. So the pathology often overlaps more serious ones, or manifests itself in criminal patterns. Thus, you see the escape of two prisoners from the New York Clinton facility some few years ago, and the authorities who remarked they could get the survivor to talk and reveal any prison staff who were complicit in the escape. They could get him to boast. He wouldn't be able to help himself.

That is the type of person you have elected for President. And the failure to acknowledge it also shows something about the deficits in character and understanding by his most ardent supporters.

If I had observed a dozen years ago that the Apprentice celebrity was simply a disgusting person, and that his show was patent bullshit fodder to people who don't understand professional management beyond bullying people and putting them under constant pressure, it is not a political statement. It is not a political observation. It is an observation about someone's personality, character and psychology which defines the former, by a "non-psychologist who happened to study narcissistic personality disorder in the course of an historical research project.

If I thought he was a disgusting person during the Birther Frenzy -- any common-sense rational American would probably concur. Those among the public who were energized and driven by the Birther Frenzy have problems of their own, and the simplistic diagnosis -- if you want to call it that -- is either subliminal racism or anger derived from myths about race and personal circumstance. You could call that observation "political" only if you think that these racist ideas or emotional reactions represent anything good about the American Character.

So. I'm supposed to "accept" a "so-called president" despite the fact of my judgment a dozen years ago -- having little to do with politics -- that he was a slug and a monster? F*** you, F*** him and F*** that. We've victimized ourselves, handing that Jackass the "Biscuit." It is impossible to define the POSSIBLE risks which will materialize under this pathological administration over the next four years. And heaven forbid, if we survive that long, when we then see a prospect of eight years. Among those possibilities -- it could be even longer.
 

Jhhnn

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Yet they were able to call you on your bullshit many times. How is that possible?

Maybe in their own minds, which just reinforces what I offered.

The absurdity of Trump as President is rapidly revealing itself to be just that. I mean, he's draining the swamp, right? With the richest cabinet in history... and his devotees are cheering it on.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Maybe in their own minds, which just reinforces what I offered.

The absurdity of Trump as President is rapidly revealing itself to be just that. I mean, he's draining the swamp, right? With the richest cabinet in history... and his devotees are cheering it on.

Read my screed in #98. (Or don't -- a certain part of the electorate don't like to read much. they like soundbites and tweets instead. You don't fit that profile.) There is personal psychology and mass- or group-psychology.

I was meeting my monthly luncheon friends for breakfast in January. We were discussing the Trump voters. Someone remarked "Stupid," but others countered with the distinction "Ignorant." A person can be both stupid and ignorant, or they can simply be ignorant. If they subscribe to the notion that the media is one grand conspiracy, that you can't trust any facts at all except those supporting one's Utopian or revolutionary world-view, then they would likely think that public libraries are filled with tomes of drivel. Simply speaking -- reading a book from cover to cover is too hard. Newspapers with fewer pages (the Washington Times or Examiner -- whatever it's called today) is better than reading newspapers with more pages and articles (the Washington Post). Critical thinking is some sort of Liberal idea. One could go much further in describing the mindset.

Thinking of that notion about "ignorance," I remember a recent film -- possibly of German origin -- featuring Kate Winslet: "The Reader." Anyone ever see that film?

"Oh! There you go again -- comparing to Hitler!" Hitler was just another pathological personality.