Trump and potential mental illness

[momeNt]

I don't think you read that very carefully as that has to do with the disclosure of private information obtained during an evaluation performed on the behalf of another party and how that can serve as a substitute for a doctor-patient situation.

There was no private information present here and so there is, once again, an absolute zero percent chance of this having anything to do with HIPAA.

Yea, probably right. Still a really huge breach of ethics, but I guess it was important enough to him to do it.

 

[fskimospy]

That is somewhat incorrect. HIPAA can and does apply to any covered entity under the law. Protected information cannot be disclosed, but there's a definition for that which doesn't include guesses about someone you don't know.

It would include everyone from administrators, physicians and other health care workers, clerical staff, insurance company employees, and the guy who takes out the confidential trash and disposes of it.

That said this "diagnosis" isn't really one because there was no professional duty to someone who has no knowledge other than speculation without examination. It is considered unethical however to make a diagnosis without that examination, however as a matter of law there is no violation. Perhaps that is what you were going for?

Yes I agree, what I said was overbroad. Obviously the secretary can't give out your private medical information either even though she's not your doctor. It was more of a desire to focus on what the real issue here is, if any. Saying something is illegal indicates something additional IMO that's not there in this case.

 

[amenx]

Bill Maher joked that he would donate $ 5 mil to charity if Trump could prove he was not the offspring of an orangutan. For Trump to take the words of a comedian literally, and actually have his lawyer send Maher his birth certificate as a basis for the lawsuit, sounds to me like someone who needs to have his head examined. .

 

[interchange]

Thanks for the clarity. Do you have experience with this sort of thing?

I'm a psychiatrist.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes I agree, what I said was overbroad. Obviously the secretary can't give out your private medical information either even though she's not your doctor. It was more of a desire to focus on what the real issue here is, if any. Saying something is illegal indicates something additional IMO that's not there in this case.

Gotcha. I brought up the particulars, perhaps unnecessarily, to head off any "what about" questions which people might naturally have.

 

[werepossum]

Bill Maher joked that he would donate $ 5 mil to charity if Trump could prove he was not the offspring of an orangutan. For Trump to take the words of a comedian literally, and actually have his lawyer send Maher his birth certificate as a basis for the lawsuit, sounds to me like someone who needs to have his head examined. .

Of course, had someone said that about Obama proggie heads would still be asploding.

 

[werepossum]

Yeah but many Repubs and conservatives don't like or respect Trump either, so your old paranoid "But the left is crazy and mean" tripe doesn't actually apply here. Trump is universally considered a fool, and that quarter of the nation certainly has good reason to believe at least some of their worst fears (deportation, nuclear war, etc.) because, remember, Trump is an abnormal fool/child/ignoramus the likes of which the US has never seen as POTUS.

EDIT: Btw, the idea of magnitudes must escape you, as there is nothing "little" about the relative level of coarseness, honesty or competence of Trump as compared to the WJC, HRC and GWB, respectively. It isn't close. He isn't normal. Time to address your proggy derangement syndrome and conspiracy theories.

Trump isn't generally considered a fool or an idiot or mentally ill, at least not by sane, functioning people. He's considered a very smart, competent business man with very few ethics, mainly because he was raised to be above normal societal norms of politeness, discretion and, well, humanity, and has the business savvy to be a complete dickhead with no appreciable consequences. He's the picture of an entitled asshole. He's also smart enough to simultaneously outsmart Hillary, the Democrats, the GOP establishment and the media.

 

[fskimospy]

Of course, had someone said that about Obama proggie heads would still be asploding.

Can you tell us why you think reactions would be different for Obama than Trump? I'm excited to hear what you have to think.

 

[sdifox]

Of course, had someone said that about Obama proggie heads would still be asploding.

Did you blank out the Birther Movement, spearheaded by the Donald?

 

[MrPickins]

Can you tell us why you think reactions would be different for Obama than Trump? I'm excited to hear what you have to think.

He knows exactly why, he's just trying to get your goat.

 

[fskimospy]

He knows exactly why, he's just trying to get your goat.

I have no doubt, haha.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'll probably be metaphorically be tarred and feathered for saying this, but there is a part of Trump who is willfully acting this way and a part that compels him to. I have some... I don't know exactly how to describe it.. something akin to sympathy for people with mental illness even when ugly, and naturally for those affected by it. Trump aside, we do an astoundingly bad job as a society in handling mental illness. Somethings are beyond our control, but it is such a stigma that people avoid seeking help.

I agree but to see it and say it doesn't have to be done in a condemnatory fashion. I think it a good thing to see the Emperor has no clothes when he parades around as if in finery, and some form of pity seems the appropriate. But we also know that the mentally ill can be dangerous. What happens if people whose fear of the One Ring causes them not to act? Are we morally obliged to resist evil?

 

[MongGrel]

He made his medical diagnosis public? Or are psychiatric evaluations allowed to be discussed openly outside of HIPAA?

You are really trying too hard.

I have no degree in regards to psychological diagnoses, but my second wife had a masters degree as a therapist.

Trump having major mental issues is pretty obvious to even anyone who remotely can recognize that, Nixon had many as far as his education, Trump has a complex that the other Billionaires think he is a joke.

He has an inferiority complex in that way that is going to bite the US in the ass badly.

It's pretty freaking obvious.

You do not even need access to any records, his behavior in public should be enough.

I do not see any pity being involved in his case, he's a narcissistic spoiled brat.

 

[First]

Trump isn't generally considered a fool or an idiot or mentally ill, at least not by sane, functioning people. He's considered a very smart, competent business man with very few ethics, mainly because he was raised to be above normal societal norms of politeness, discretion and, well, humanity, and has the business savvy to be a complete dickhead with no appreciable consequences. He's the picture of an entitled asshole. He's also smart enough to simultaneously outsmart Hillary, the Democrats, the GOP establishment and the media.

Yeah, no one well informed believes that Trump is a smart, competent businessman, because he just isn't. The whole inheriting his own fortune from birth thing is, well, pretty unimpressive.

Also, it should concern you that you have so much trouble discerning the difference between the Clintons and GWB, because his actions and behavior are only going to look worse with time, as will your relative defense of his competence, honesty, etc as compared to normal presidents.

 

[amenx]

... He's also smart enough to simultaneously outsmart Hillary, the Democrats, the GOP establishment and the media.

Trump didnt outsmart anybody, he unwittingly tapped into a large segment of the electorate as dumb as he is which propelled him into the white house. Any segment of the populace strictly locked into Fox news and Brietbart would make ripe pickings for any future lunatic candidate just as well.

 

[Younigue]

Trump isn't generally considered a fool or an idiot or mentally ill, at least not by sane, functioning people. He's considered a very smart, competent business man with very few ethics, mainly because he was raised to be above normal societal norms of politeness, discretion and, well, humanity, and has the business savvy to be a complete dickhead with no appreciable consequences. He's the picture of an entitled asshole. He's also smart enough to simultaneously outsmart Hillary, the Democrats, the GOP establishment and the media.

I can't prove he's an idiot but he does on the regular. The many negative things you said about him as positives for conducting business in the manner with which he does are accurate sans the positivity concerning his success. He has been surrounded by intelligent people his entire adult life who have made him a lot of money but I would bet that he has few genuine friends among them or that they would suggest he's savvy or competent in the privacy of their own homes. They are bought and paid for. He is money hungry, fame hungry and power hungry none of which does he like to share.

The only people who think he is any of those positive things are his supporters or those who believe they have something to gain by backing him or would never dare for whatever reason defy or disappoint him. Again the last two kinds of people I mentioned likely do not think well of him or they are reprehensibly like-minded. As far as his voting supporters, they really weren't looking out for their own best interest. They were looking for a nasty voice to get their anger or at any cost. As the campaign progressed all I learned was how to spot the kind of people who could easily be lured in to a cult... let's face it, they are in a cult.

 

[cytg111]

Any segment of the populace strictly locked into Fox news and Brietbart would make ripe pickings for any future lunatic candidate just as well.

- Who is this? Where do they live and why is it so?

 

[werepossum]

Trump didnt outsmart anybody, he unwittingly tapped into a large segment of the electorate as dumb as he is which propelled him into the white house. Any segment of the populace strictly locked into Fox news and Brietbart would make ripe pickings for any future lunatic candidate just as well.

This is why Trump will likely win a second term. You guys literally cannot wrap your minds around the concept that anyone who disagrees with you can be anything other than an idiot, so you'll continue insulting voters.

 

[werepossum]

Can you tell us why you think reactions would be different for Obama than Trump? I'm excited to hear what you have to think.

Look at the results of morphing Bush into a chimpanzee compared to doing the exact same for Obama. In fact, you were one of those going beserk about it being done to Obama while defending the same being done to Bush.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I agree but to see it and say it doesn't have to be done in a condemnatory fashion. I think it a good thing to see the Emperor has no clothes when he parades around as if in finery, and some form of pity seems the appropriate. But we also know that the mentally ill can be dangerous. What happens if people whose fear of the One Ring causes them not to act? Are we morally obliged to resist evil?

I believe Trump represents a danger and there will be a time when he acts in such a way that he can be removed and should be.

But he is not crazy. He has issues, but many do yet not follow his path. People also do bad things while being sane in a legal sense. Whatever goes into making it aside, there is evil and we must use every proper means to oppose it, but note proper lest we become what we protest.

 

[cbrunny]

Trump is a good boy. He didn't do anything the rest of haven't done at some point 'er other. And nobody was a bigger liar than Hillary (but she lost, so nobody cares anymore).

I've never sexually assaulted someone. Among many other things he has done that I haven't.


Came here to say though that I think he will die of being fat much sooner. He's an obese 70 year old man working the highest stress job in the world that he doesn't even want, and it isn't going well. Honestly I'm surprised he isn't dead yet. If he is still alive come summer time I'll be shocked. His fat ass will kill him before any mental illness can be properly diagnosed.

 

[fskimospy]

Look at the results of morphing Bush into a chimpanzee compared to doing the exact same for Obama. In fact, you were one of those going beserk about it being done to Obama while defending the same being done to Bush.

And why do you think people might react differently to comparing Obama to a monkey as opposed to Bush?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump isn't generally considered a fool or an idiot or mentally ill, at least not by sane, functioning people. He's considered a very smart, competent business man with very few ethics, mainly because he was raised to be above normal societal norms of politeness, discretion and, well, humanity, and has the business savvy to be a complete dickhead with no appreciable consequences. He's the picture of an entitled asshole. He's also smart enough to simultaneously outsmart Hillary, the Democrats, the GOP establishment and the media.

Trump has issues. Not being professionally qualified (but professionally knowledgeable) I can't make a diagnosis nor would I if I were a psychiatrist. Trump did win the election but that isn't enough for understanding what that meant. The DNC was shown to be acting unethically by favoring a less than inspiring candidate as well as displaying the hamstringing hubris that they are wont to do. They beat themselves.

Trump is not a Conservative. He is Trump and ideologies may coincide or not. He may care about them or not. If it suits him he could be anything and I know from experience that is a difficult thing for partisans and ideologues to grasp. They prefer a binary choice.

That played into Trump's favor. He knows how to sell things, so it was just a matter of saying the right things, perhaps even believing them for the short term for his personal gain. He shows no understanding of morality or ethics, no recognition of limits of his authority. He lashes out at all "not self" irrationally and if he has a sense of something greater than Trump I've not seen it.

That doesn't make him stupid, it makes him dangerous. No ethics, integrity, higher moral sense, but a desire for power for his own sake. Call it what you like, he's the wrong person at the wrong time at the wrong place.

 

[jmagg]

Call it what you like, he's the wrong person at the wrong time at the wrong place.

Or the complete opposite. Only time will tell.

 

[Smoblikat]

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...nauguration-crowd-size-paranoia-a7552661.html




Any discussions I've seen of Trump being impeached I've seen as unrealistic and wishful thinking. He's only in his third week though and already has a multiple page CV of clear dysfunctional behaviour consisting of outright lies, incompetence and lacking basic adult self control.

There is the appearance of an unsound mind there, but I don't see a proper assessment ever taking place. His consistently bizarre behaviour has changed my opinion though. I think there is a fair chance he doesn't make the four years due to his mental state causing him to finally cross a line that is too much even for the partisan support of elected Republicans to tolerate. While the Repub. party would take a black eye with impeachment because Trump is now theirs, I doubt there would be much resistance to it given what seems the inevitable meltdown and/or significant mental illness event taking place from Trump.

Pence would take over and not much would change for their current course, beyond regaining the appearance of someone of sound mind now being President, rather than the current crazed President who spends his days losing control on social media.

This is also somewhat interesting in speaking to his mental illues: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...acy-theory-website-fake-news-us-a7567441.html

A President taking cues from Infowars. It would be more disconcerting that rather than Trump and team being the pathological liars they have shown themselves to be so far, to instead find out Trump is no better than your typical conspiracy nut easily peddled the sort of crazy Infowars defecates into the minds of the gullible.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/13/1-in-5-ceos-are-psychopaths-australian-study-finds/
http://thehustle.co/your-ceo-is-probably-a-psychopath
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...paths-only-21-percent/?utm_term=.7f918502b907

Id be willing to bet Trump is the CEO of more than one company...........so multiply his chances by how many companies he runs, and youll figure out why hes so erratic...........