Trump and Kim have now shaken hands...breaking

[Hayabusa Rider]

You poor, poor TDS suffering bastards. I'm actually starting to feel sorry for you.

We've had dealings with NK for a very long time and reaching agreements has been done before. Something good may come out of this considering Kim seems to be enjoying everything. Kim broke his testing site beyond repair, which is a good thing. Watching Trump and Kim looks like a reunion of friends than anything else.

We'll see what happens, but remember that other than Kim meeting with a US President there's nothing in the agreement of substance at this point that's much different from what we've had before. Again we'll see where this goes.

 

[brycejones]

Trump has now done more in 1.5 years than Obama did in 8. Man I’m excited for another term from my President.

So you enjoy failure and losing.

You're a very odd duck.

 

[K1052]

broke his testing site beyond repair, which is a good thing.

Since no inspections of the site have been conducted that's an open question. US intel suspects that they just blew up the portals and not the larger tunnel complex.

 

[soulcougher73]

Who has the better handshake of dominance?

 

[brycejones]

Apparently Trump thinks it is "inappropriate" for our military to have exercises with SK's military. This is another huge win for Kim. WTF did we get out of this that can be verified?

 

[IJTSSG]

We've had dealings with NK for a very long time and reaching agreements has been done before. Something good may come out of this considering Kim seems to be enjoying everything. Kim broke his testing site beyond repair, which is a good thing. Watching Trump and Kim looks like a reunion of friends than anything else.

We'll see what happens, but remember that other than Kim meeting with a US President there's nothing in the agreement of substance at this point that's much different from what we've had before. Again we'll see where this goes.

Thanks for the history lesson. I didn't know any of that.
Kim could've walked in the room, handed President Trump the keys, the codes, the key to the executive bathroom and ceded control of NK to him and the response from here would be the same ridicule.
The President did a good job. This is a good start. Get over it.

 

[K1052]

Thanks for the history lesson. I didn't know any of that.
Kim could've walked in the room, handed President Trump the keys, the codes, the key to the executive bathroom and ceded control of NK to him and the response from here would be the same ridicule.
The President did a good job. This is a good start. Get over it.

lol

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Since no inspections of the site have been conducted that's an open question. US intel suspects that they just blew up the portals and not the larger tunnel complex.

Ah, that's different. Still, a large and visible effort would be required to repair that kind of damage and would be easily verifiable. This whole process is supposed to be verifiable, no?

But for sake of discussion, I wonder if the big motivator for Kim (assuming he's not playing the usual game) was the Olympics. Kim lives a life like a ship in a bottle- he looks out but doesn't dip the least part of himself into the ocean of the world. Perhaps that motivated Kim to look at SK and thought it not such a bad thing. Sheer thinking out loud, but I have to wonder at motivations besides the standard ones.

 

[ivwshane]

We've had dealings with NK for a very long time and reaching agreements has been done before. Something good may come out of this considering Kim seems to be enjoying everything. Kim broke his testing site beyond repair, which is a good thing. Watching Trump and Kim looks like a reunion of friends than anything else.

We'll see what happens, but remember that other than Kim meeting with a US President there's nothing in the agreement of substance at this point that's much different from what we've had before. Again we'll see where this goes.

Actually, other differences are that past agreements had tougher language. They also didn't stop military exercises.

Considering trump was complaining about past president and the agreements they made, its ironic that his agreement was the same if not worse.

 

[SNC]

Might there be classified info in there? If so, of course we won't see it.

Classified info, in a tax return, from the years before he was elected, are you serious?

 

[K1052]

Ah, that's different. Still, a large and visible effort would be required to repair that kind of damage and would be easily verifiable. This whole process is supposed to be verifiable, no?

But for sake of discussion, I wonder if the big motivator for Kim (assuming he's not playing the usual game) was the Olympics. Kim lives a life like a ship in a bottle- he looks out but doesn't dip the least part of himself into the ocean of the world. Perhaps that motivated Kim to look at SK and thought it not such a bad thing. Sheer thinking out loud, but I have to wonder at motivations besides the standard ones.

Since there is no agreed to inspection and verification regime.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think Kim might have looked at China, not SK, and decided that he might want to do something like that. Get some of the prosperity of a technically modern state but retain total authoritarian control. Kim does live in a ship in a bottle but he's seen the outside world. He was educated in the west and traveled extensively.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Actually, other differences are that past agreements had tougher language. They also didn't stop military exercises.

Considering trump was complaining about past president and the agreements they made, its ironic that his agreement was the same if not worse.

And appears much, much more weak.

However this could be an ends justifies the means thing. I don’t know enough to say it’s a shitty start

 

[ivwshane]

lol

Its amazing how easily they dismiss facts that contradict their world views. He went from acknowledgement to dismissal in three sentences.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Thanks for the history lesson. I didn't know any of that.
Kim could've walked in the room, handed President Trump the keys, the codes, the key to the executive bathroom and ceded control of NK to him and the response from here would be the same ridicule.
The President did a good job. This is a good start. Get over it.

I don't speak for "here". I am answerable to myself and for my statements. I dislike Trump and I can give a basis for that, but I am capable of compartmentalization. What happens with Kim remains to be seen. No one cares about the washroom, The "good job" that he and others have done at the outset hasn't produced anything as of yet. The history lesson is a cautionary one because we've been here before in terms of agreements. I allow for the possibility of some progress and I remain skeptical. I would be an idiot otherwise and while that happens on occasion I try to keep that from being a lifestyle choice.

 

[dank69]

Ah, that's different. Still, a large and visible effort would be required to repair that kind of damage and would be easily verifiable. This whole process is supposed to be verifiable, no?

But for sake of discussion, I wonder if the big motivator for Kim (assuming he's not playing the usual game) was the Olympics. Kim lives a life like a ship in a bottle- he looks out but doesn't dip the least part of himself into the ocean of the world. Perhaps that motivated Kim to look at SK and thought it not such a bad thing. Sheer thinking out loud, but I have to wonder at motivations besides the standard ones.

What? You don't think he came to the table simply because Trump called him Little Rocket Man?

 

[vi edit]

This was nothing more than a global boxing promotion and a piece of paper with the words "I WAS HERE" was signed by both parties. Donnie Two Scoops starts rambling off about stopping US military exercises because it's saves money. I bet Moon in South Korea is ready to have a nervous breakdown.

 

[SNC]

Ok, now you guys have made me cry. I'm taking my toys and going home and leaving these forums.

If you get rid of anyone with opposing views, you'll all be living in a nice little echo chamber, singing to the choir. lol
Funny shit, you lot are.

It is not so much an opposing viewpoint that people pointing out, its that the same exact person is expressing both sides of it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What? You don't think he came to the table simply because Trump called him Little Rocket Man?

No, I don't think that intimidation was the motivator. At this point, it's too soon to think much about any of this except in processing information as it becomes available.

 

[brycejones]

Ok, now you guys have made me cry. I'm taking my toys and going home and leaving these forums.

If you get rid of anyone with opposing views, you'll all be living in a nice little echo chamber, singing to the choir. lol
Funny shit, you lot are.

If only you were interested in honest engagement and discussions involving actual facts. You reap the contempt you sow.

 

[MixMasterTang]

This would be the perfect Putin conspiracy plan. “KJM, play nice with DJT or else”. “DJT, make ammenda with NK or peepeetape.com.rs will be the the home page of everyone in the world!”. Yes I realize this is a nut job conspiracy theory and yes if Trump betters relationships with NK it will be a great thing so I wont make any officical statements until shit happens. I was born is Missouri and take the state motto “The show me state” to heart.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Since there is no agreed to inspection and verification regime.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think Kim might have looked at China, not SK, and decided that he might want to do something like that. Get some of the prosperity of a technically modern state but retain total authoritarian control. Kim does live in a ship in a bottle but he's seen the outside world. He was educated in the west and traveled extensively.

He was abroad but half-formed, meaning that the indoctrination by his family was in process. Now he's been on his own. Is he evolving outside the boundaries of his tiny world or is he merely playing a manipulative game?

 

[SKORPI0]

We've had dealings with NK for a very long time and reaching agreements has been done before.

History of US-North Korea deals shows hard part is making them stick

Through three generations of the Kim dynasty, and successive US administrations, the biggest obstacle has not been reaching an agreement but making it stick. This has not only been a result of North Korea seeking to circumvent deals it has made, but a recurrent problem of US administrations sending conflicting signals, as different factions vie for control of policy making.

Still a long way to go and verify that NK has indeed denuclearized completely, hopefully whatever agreements were made sticks this time.

 

[dank69]

History of US-North Korea deals shows hard part is making them stick

Still a long way to go and verify that NK has indeed denuclearized completely, hopefully whatever agreements were made sticks this time.

Prediction: All the GOP shitheads that criticized the Iran deal will glorify any deal Trump agrees to without question, even if you list side by side all the ways the Iran deal was more robust.

 

[zinfamous]

So no details on what to do, how to do it, no benchmarks to meet, mere hopes to continue doing stuff...but agreeing to end joint military exercises with SK and USA. LoL--without SK even being part of that discussion.

Trump is such a fucking loser.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Actually, other differences are that past agreements had tougher language. They also didn't stop military exercises.

Considering trump was complaining about past president and the agreements they made, its ironic that his agreement was the same if not worse.

This is true. What I'm wondering is what Kim will do with a longer leash. I have no idea to be honest. It could go well or bad and there is insufficient data and we're mid-process as to what words really mean in context.