Trump and Kim have now shaken hands...breaking

[zinfamous]

Its the same agreement as the one in 2005 that NK violated, you stupid, stupid, hypocritical, fuck!


I just want to say that is hilarious that the very things you were complaining about Obama doing is exactly what trump has actually done. Your trump nut hugging is on full display!


Ahahhahahahaaa!

compuwiz is just very glad that the black man isn't on the TV every day. That kept him in the cave all these years, and now compuwiz feels safe to come outside again. And of course we are all "blessed" by his "blessed" presence.

 

[cytg111]

Trump has now done more in 1.5 years than Obama did in 8. Man I’m excited for another term from my President.

Aint that the truth, he sold your soul and democracy to Putin, something he planned and contemplated with the man himself allready back in 2013..

Obama never did that.

Dont you miss him? - Dont answer that, of course you do.

 

[dank69]

So no details on what to do, how to do it, no benchmarks to meet, mere hopes to continue doing stuff...but agreeing to end joint military exercises with SK and USA. LoL--without SK even being part of that discussion.

Trump is such a fucking loser.

We don't need no stinkin' details, Trump says he trusts him.

 

[K1052]

He was abroad but half-formed, meaning that the indoctrination by his family was in process. Now he's been on his own. Is he evolving outside the boundaries of his tiny world or is he merely playing a manipulative game?

I think he's doing both with China's help. He's seen that you can probably build a modernish state with all the accoutrements of an incredibly brutal dictatorship.

 

[ivwshane]

So no details on what to do, how to do it, no benchmarks to meet, mere hopes to continue doing stuff...but agreeing to end joint military exercises with SK and USA. LoL--without SK even being part of that discussion.

Trump is such a fucking loser.

Lol, no. But on the bright side apparently it took this administration several months to come up with four points that fit on two pages, if you count the signature page. Hell, I'm pretty sure this agreement would fit on a business card using normal sized font.

Winning bigly!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So no details on what to do, how to do it, no benchmarks to meet, mere hopes to continue doing stuff...but agreeing to end joint military exercises with SK and USA. LoL--without SK even being part of that discussion.

Trump is such a fucking loser.

Question- is it possible that Kim does the "right thing" and become more open and adopt a somewhat positive attitude towards the rest of the world? Not being a dictator is off the list of course, and I don't mean he is acting because he's found god or anything, but may perceive advantages to adopting that position. This event is a curious thing even if we eliminate Trump in terms of what could be.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think he's doing both with China's help. He's seen that you can probably build a modernish state with all the accoutrements of an incredibly brutal dictatorship.

My hope, which is completely unencumbered by data, is that if Kim sees the advantages of more modern cultures that he may relax his paranoia a bit and is less hostile to his own people. Those last are the real victims in all this. I admit this is only hope and may not be the most likely outcome, but I take hope where I can find it these days.

 

[ivwshane]

Apparently China is already calling for weakened sanctions against NK. Any bets we will see this before we get any kind of verifiable goals met?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Interestingly, at this point, NK state TV has made absolutely no mention of the meeting. The last thing they aired was Kim's walk about town the night before.

 

[brycejones]

Question- is it possible that Kim does the "right thing" and become more open and adopt a somewhat positive attitude towards the rest of the world? Not being a dictator is off the list of course, and I don't mean he is acting because he's found god or anything, but may perceive advantages to adopting that position. This event is a curious thing even if we eliminate Trump in terms of what could be.

I don't see Kim doing the right thing in the end. but this gives him all sorts of propaganda points at home. Sets him up as the best leader who is so strong that the world is forced to engage with him. That alone is a huge win for him in terms of maintaining his power domestically.

 

[brycejones]

Interestingly, at this point, NK state TV has made absolutely no mention of the meeting. The last thing they aired was Kim's walk about town the night before.

Probably trying to figure out how to avoid talking about getting rid of the nukes while playing up what NK got.

 

[ivwshane]

My hope, which is completely unencumbered by data, is that if Kim sees the advantages of more modern cultures that he may relax his paranoia a bit and is less hostile to his own people. Those last are the real victims in all this. I admit this is only hope and may not be the most likely outcome, but I take hope where I can find it these days.

Anything is possible but nothing is guaranteed, especially when there are zero consequences for not meeting goals, or anything in place to verify if goals were met, let alone any actual goals in the first place.

Kim could come out tomorrow and declare all his nukes are destroyed along with all their bases and missiles but with nothing in place to verify it, would you believe it?

 

[cytg111]

You poor, poor TDS suffering bastards. I'm actually starting to feel sorry for you.

Tell the truth now, you dont feel much of anything at all do you?

 

[ivwshane]

I will say that this deal certainly is trumpian in nature in that it's all talk and zero in substance.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I don't see Kim doing the right thing in the end. but this gives him all sorts of propaganda points at home. Sets him up as the best leader who is so strong that the world is forced to engage with him. That alone is a huge win for him in terms of maintaining his power domestically.

I wasn't thinking of him doing the "right thing" for the right reasons, but there is a possibility of doing so for all the wrong ones. Kim wants to retain power and he's not expansionist. If he can do so and increase his prestige by improving the living conditions of those in his country he might permit it. The smiling happy Kim is a ruthless killer but removing him creates worse problems (it always does), so perhaps this is an opportunity for manipulation. Yes, Trump, I get it but this sort of thing gets shit done.

 

[brycejones]

I wasn't thinking of him doing the "right thing" for the right reasons, but there is a possibility of doing so for all the wrong ones. Kim wants to retain power and he's not expansionist. If he can do so and increase his prestige by improving the living conditions of those in his country he might permit it. The smiling happy Kim is a ruthless killer but removing him creates worse problems (it always does), so perhaps this is an opportunity for manipulation. Yes, Trump, I get it but this sort of thing gets shit done.

I'm extremely skeptical but this also needs time to develop.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Awesome first step.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Anything is possible but nothing is guaranteed, especially when there are zero consequences for not meeting goals, or anything in place to verify if goals were met, let alone any actual goals in the first place.

Kim could come out tomorrow and declare all his nukes are destroyed along with all their bases and missiles but with nothing in place to verify it, would you believe it?

I don't believe anything. Ron R had a good policy of "trust but verify" which really means "verify". Trust just looks good.

In spite of our frequent differences, I think you know I'm not an admirer of Trump at any level except for his ability to be a dick perhaps, which is exceptional, but here we are. Sometimes serendipity is the greatest player in events. Otherwise, how could the Canadians have burned the WH?

The only thing we know is that something will happen, I'm just speculating beyond the cloud of probabilities which defines Trump. I can toss eggs at him later.

 

[ivwshane]

I wasn't thinking of him doing the "right thing" for the right reasons, but there is a possibility of doing so for all the wrong ones. Kim wants to retain power and he's not expansionist. If he can do so and increase his prestige by improving the living conditions of those in his country he might permit it. The smiling happy Kim is a ruthless killer but removing him creates worse problems (it always does), so perhaps this is an opportunity for manipulation. Yes, Trump, I get it but this sort of thing gets shit done.

Lol, wait, you think trump is capable of manipulating Kim? The same trump that is under investigation for either colluding with Russia or being a useful idiot to Russia?

I get it, when the black president is out of office, suddenly, optimism is your thing but exactly what have you seen to give you an inkling of optimism?

 

[feralkid]

Ok, now you guys have made me cry. I'm taking my toys and going home and leaving these forums.

If only we could get you to sign that agreement, and set up some sort of independent verification, it would be a win for the entire world.

Alas, we've seen these promises broken so many times before.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Lol, wait, you think trump is capable of manipulating Kim? The same trump that is under investigation for either colluding with Russia or being a useful idiot to Russia?

I get it, when the black president is out of office, suddenly, optimism is your thing but exactly what have you seen to give you an inkling of optimism?

I think events can cause Kim to "manipulate" himself, the least of which is Trump. "The black president is out of office"? Pretty effed up dude. Can I play the Asian race card now? Is that how this works? That's intellectually bankrupt.

 

[fskimospy]

Trump’s strategy of giving North Korea a bunch of things it wants in exchange for nothing is going well so far. What a master deal maker.

Making upfront concessions to get someone to agree to your long term proposals is absolutely a viable bargaining technique. Maybe that’s what’s going on here but does anyone think that’s particularly likely?

 

[fskimospy]

If I were North Korea right now I would be thinking ‘man, those nuclear weapons really paid off. I better keep them.’

 

[DrunkenSano]

There is also a chance that Kim gets assassinated when he goes home to NK by the ultra hardliners for this agreement. Now we just wait and see what the outcome is, obviously everyone should be hoping for the best but definitely prepare for the worse.

 

[ivwshane]

I think events can cause Kim to "manipulate" himself, the least of which is Trump. "The black president is out of office"? Pretty effed up dude. Can I play the Asian race card now? Is that how this works? That's intellectually bankrupt.

Don't post on a message board for all to see your hypocrisy if you don't want to be called out on it. Or don't be a hypocrite works just as well. You gave Obama and Democrats zero slack if things weren't done to perfection and solved every problem (remember our conversations about the ACA), and yet here you are, going out of your way to find something positive about this "deal", of which has been done before, multiple times, without success. To be clear though, I don't think you are a racist, you are just much more tribal than you think.