Trump and House Republicans trying to kill deal underway on the border.

[fskimospy]

So pardon my shallow understanding of this issue when I ask out loud, now that it is known without doubt that the Republicans want to give Trump and themselves the immigration issue as a hot topic to run against the Democrats and will never agree to any deal concerning immigration from the south, why is it that Biden and the Democrats haven't now offered up aid to Ukraine as a stand alone issue because of how critical it is for Ukraine to win their war against Putin?

Here you go -

Republicans threaten to reject Ukraine aid unless Democrats agree to tighten U.S. immigration laws

Some GOP lawmakers, even those who support Ukraine, insist Congress won't pass a funding bill to help it without also changing asylum laws in the U.S.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[K1052]

So pardon my shallow understanding of this issue when I ask out loud, now that it is known without doubt that the Republicans want to give Trump and themselves the immigration issue as a hot topic to run against the Democrats and will never agree to any deal concerning immigration from the south, why is it that Biden and the Democrats haven't now offered up aid to Ukraine as a stand alone issue because of how critical it is for Ukraine to win their war against Putin?

Republicans insisted for months that the supplemental be paired with immigration legislation to satisfy GOP conservatives. Lankford succeeded in securing the most conservative immigration legislative compromise in my lifetime however in the interim Trump decided he wanted to run on immigration. Thus the house GOP was instructed to oppose any legislation while vacillating between "we don't need any legislation" and "this legislation does not go far enough". There is increasing chatter that we're going to see a stand alone supplemental now that the GOP opposes the deal they demanded. I assume they will find excuses to oppose the stand alone as well.

Biden is going to be soon down to unilateral options and he has quite a few but probably doesn't want to deploy them until he's out of options with congress.

 

[cytg111]

Cause standalone Johnson wants a detailed plan for what the money will be used for and what actual gains on the front it will achieve. Otherwise its just money out the window.

 

[K1052]

Cause standalone Johnson wants a detailed plan for what the money will be used for and what actual gains on the front it will achieve. Otherwise its just money out the window.

This is just an excuse. He's willing to give Israel non offset aid now with no such conditions or questions.

As for what it's used for mostly to pay Americans at American companies to make American products.

 

[Franz316]

Is there a way to bring this to vote without Johnson's decision to do so with some moderate Republican support?

 

[K1052]

Is there a way to bring this to vote without Johnson's decision to do so with some moderate Republican support?

Maybe a discharge petition for the foreign aid component but I think thats increasingly unlikely as mod Rs are less likely to buck Trump now.

 

[trenchfoot]

@fskimospy, @K1052, thanks for the informative replies. So then it's the Republicans that are tying Ukraine aid to any form of immigration reforms that they will then never agree to because Trump wants to exploit the immigration issue to his advantage. Party over country, fuck 'Merica! WhiteUSA! WhiteUSA! WhiteUSA!

All the more reason for the Democrats to attempt their best at forming up a unified gov't to get past this GOP centric blockade while expanding the SCOTUS with justices that aren't beholden to corruptive corporate interests and religious fanatics.

 

[eelw]

Best thing is, let’s say Haley becomes POTUS. This exact bill will be one of the first items with new congress

 

[K1052]

Best thing is, let’s say Haley becomes POTUS. This exact bill will be one of the first items with new congress

Nah tax cuts then nothing else.

 

[fskimospy]

Nah tax cuts then nothing else.

Yeah, no way this bill passes with a Republican POTUS. Democrats really want to help Ukraine right now and immunize Biden on the immigration issue so they are willing to give Republicans a much better deal than they would otherwise get. After the 2024 election this will be off the table.

You are right though. Like they might TRY to pass an immigration bill but they will fail and then just go cut taxes for rich people and call it a day.

 

[K1052]

Yeah, no way this bill passes with a Republican POTUS. Democrats really want to help Ukraine right now and immunize Biden on the immigration issue so they are willing to give Republicans a much better deal than they would otherwise get. After the 2024 election this will be off the table.

You are right though. Like they might TRY to pass an immigration bill but they will fail and then just go cut taxes for rich people and call it a day.

I mean we literally saw this show in the first Trump term. They did a big tax cut and then sorta tired to do immigration and nothing could get 60 votes in the Senate. Trump also sabotaged his wall deal by demanding massive cuts to legal immigration after he had already agreed. There is no reason whatsoever to think that congressional Rs or Trump can do any better the next time around.

 

[hal2kilo]

I mean we literally saw this show in the first Trump term. They did a big tax cut and then sorta tired to do immigration and nothing could get 60 votes in the Senate. Trump also sabotaged his wall deal by demanding massive cuts to legal immigration after he had already agreed. There is no reason whatsoever to think that congressional Rs or Trump can do any better the next time around.

And months of Infrastructure weeks, resulting in nada.

 

[K1052]

It would be something if Rs do actually turn to an unbundled supplemental and pass it. The Senate seems inclined even if House leadership is not enthused.

You better believe defense contractors are lobbying the hell out of the hill and it's an election year ($).

 

[gothuevos]

I mean we literally saw this show in the first Trump term. They did a big tax cut and then sorta tired to do immigration and nothing could get 60 votes in the Senate. Trump also sabotaged his wall deal by demanding massive cuts to legal immigration after he had already agreed. There is no reason whatsoever to think that congressional Rs or Trump can do any better the next time around.

Lots and lots of executive action is what you will see from Trump.

And when/if SCOTUS tries to shoot some of it down, he will "dare the courts to enforce it," as JD Vance put it.

 

[K1052]

Lots and lots of executive action is what you will see from Trump.

And when/if SCOTUS tries to shoot some of it down, he will "dare the courts to enforce it," as JD Vance put it.

This is actually a good argument why SCOTUS should decide in the negative for the absurd idea of presidential immunity. Conservatives spent decades gaming the system to obtain power to do policy in the courts that they could never do in the legislature. Trump coming to power threatens to negate all their hard work if the country falls apart.

 

[K1052]

CBP union has backed the compromise border bill. There is a non zero chance of a meaningful political tab to turn a 180 from demanding border legislation to refusing what's on the table now because Trump told Rs to.

 

[Pens1566]

CBP union has backed the compromise border bill. There is a non zero chance of a meaningful political tab to turn a 180 from demanding border legislation to refusing what's on the table now because Trump told Rs to.

Yeah, gonna be some political gymnastics to go against that news when they've been trotting them out for photo ops for years now.

Not saying they won't try it, but ...

 

[K1052]

Yeah, gonna be some political gymnastics to go against that news when they've been trotting them out for photo ops for years now.

Not saying they won't try it, but ...

CBP would see a massive increase in funding due to this bill. Everybody should start asking why Trump wants to defund them.

 

[brycejones]

CBP would see a massive increase in funding due to this bill. Everybody should start asking why Trump wants to defund them.

Why does the House GQP Majority want to defund them? That would make for some great political ads.

 

[K1052]

lmao when Fox news is fact checking you on this stuff might be a bit over the skis politically

https://twitter.com/x/status/1754607518456635745

 

[Brainonska511]

Once again, House Republicans are seeking to repeat history and kill what is effectively a fabulous immigration deal/win (for the right).

 

[K1052]

Once again, House Republicans are seeking to repeat history and kill what is effectively a fabulous immigration deal/win (for the right).

This thing is head and shoulders above anything the Rs had ever gotten or likely will ever get.

 

[trenchfoot]

Once again, House Republicans are seeking to repeat history and kill what is effectively a fabulous immigration deal/win (for the right).

Without this hyped up into the stratosphere immigration ape shit to throw at Biden and the Democrats, for all practical purposes Trump and the GOP spinmeisters don't have much else to arm themselves with. Their attempt at linking Hunter Biden to his dad is fizzling, the economy is on the uptick, jobs are available for the taking and Biden's BBBA program is making favorable results.

What the Republicans cannot do is brag about the major accomplishments that directly benefit all of the nation's citizens they've made in the Era of Trump because they haven't any. And they as the party of do nothings except scream bloody murder about their victimhood are furiously diverting the nation's peoples away from that 'lil tidbit of legislative factual history.

 

[JTsyo]

Maybe a discharge petition for the foreign aid component but I think thats increasingly unlikely as mod Rs are less likely to buck Trump now.

Both houses of Congress needs a way to bypass the one person in leadership and bring important things up for a vote.

 

[Pens1566]

This is definitely amusing to watch.

House GQP needs something to run on in November just as much (if not more so) as Trump does. They've done NOTHING for the entire congress. So they need "OMG the boarder!!!!!" issue to instill fear and scream about during their klan, er, I mean campaign rallies. Otherwise, they're going to get smoked even more than is already in the cards.