Trump administration seen as more truthful than news media

[Younigue]

The protesters at the Republican town halls aren't looking for a debate or information or anything except loud and obnoxious protests to be videoed and played on news programs and YouTube. Have you watched any of them? loud screaming, foul language and play acting for the cameras. Big deal, it's not new, it's not news and it's a waste of every ones time. Give them an address and tell them to write a letter. The politicians are better off helping their constituents that need help, not poseurs for the media.

You're right, they aren't looking for debate. They are looking for answers, resolution, soothing of their fears. Both parties are horrible at providing any such thing.

The fears are legitimate. That makes people angry.

Republican Politicians are currently supporting the Tang God because he has some overzealous followers a.k.a. constituents. I like to call them the Tang Brigade (you have the flavor of a member). They don't give a care about any of you but they do care about his signature. The America they are creating is scary, not great.

Do you truly see his Cabinet selections and his Executive Orders as good for the country? Again, think it through. Think long term and natural conclusion, tapping in to your better self of course.

So yeah, they're angry. Rightly so. Those old white guys don't have a clue but they do have hate, discrimination, suppression, greed and ugliness in their hearts (note I did not mention the Constitution or their Christian God). That is their starting point. Every step they take after that serves that. They are not working toward a great country. They are working toward a pliable country that works for them, not for themselves. You are not included in their dream beyond getting them there.

Intelligent people are fighting it. Do you have a suggestion on how they should do it other than sitting down and shutting up? It is their right to yell. It is the politicians job to serve the people even those who disagree with them.

I give your response to me a zero. Do better... please remove anger and your base self before proceeding. You can do this. No, I was never a cheerleader. Made the team only to reject them. Soccer all the way!

 

[justoh]

It's quite close as to who's more trustworthy.

The media should stop knowingly lying about or spinning what he says. Nobody could have seen his speech, obviously referring to what he had seen the previous night on fox news about sweden, and honestly claim not to have known what was meant. Yet they all pretend not to, just to mock and discredit him, calling him a liar while lying about him.

We can also say that Trump has diminished culpability because of his mental disadvantages. Neuro-typical people should be held to a higher standard, and most of the media aren't mentally handicapped.

 

[Younigue]

It's quite close as to who's more trustworthy.

The media should stop knowingly lying about or spinning what he says. Nobody could have seen his speech, obviously referring to what he had seen the previous night on fox news about sweden, and honestly claim not to have known what was meant. Yet they all pretend not to, just to mock and discredit him, calling him a liar while lying about him.

We can also say that Trump has diminished culpability because of his mental disadvantages. Neuro-typical people should be held to a higher standard, and most of the media aren't mentally handicapped.

I agree with you. I knew what he meant but he makes it very tempting to pick everything he says apart because he sounds like a complete moron when he speaks. But that is for the people to do, not the media. With this guy, truly the media has only to show the clips.

As for accurate news, it is the people's responsibility (not the imPeach) to hold them accountable if they won't hold themselves accountable. I always encourage people to use many media outlets to inform themselves then draw their conclusions from there. Though I do believe between Trump and the people they're beginning to get the message.

Trump seems incapable of comprehending much of anything.

 

[MongGrel]

It's quite close as to who's more trustworthy.

The media should stop knowingly lying about or spinning what he says. Nobody could have seen his speech, obviously referring to what he had seen the previous night on fox news about sweden, and honestly claim not to have known what was meant. Yet they all pretend not to, just to mock and discredit him, calling him a liar while lying about him.

We can also say that Trump has diminished culpability because of his mental disadvantages. Neuro-typical people should be held to a higher standard, and most of the media aren't mentally handicapped.

Trump has made a living out of lying more or less, I do not know what is close about it.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's quite close as to who's more trustworthy.

The media should stop knowingly lying about or spinning what he says. Nobody could have seen his speech, obviously referring to what he had seen the previous night on fox news about sweden, and honestly claim not to have known what was meant. Yet they all pretend not to, just to mock and discredit him, calling him a liar while lying about him.

We can also say that Trump has diminished culpability because of his mental disadvantages. Neuro-typical people should be held to a higher standard, and most of the media aren't mentally handicapped.

So we're all supposed to be able to decipher Trumpian bullshit in a manner flattering to him?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Exactly, so when he states that he wants to get rid of illegal immigrants because they're criminals and rapists, he's merely suggesting that the illegals he employees may want a pay raise from time to time, and they're robbing him blind. Alternatively, go back to your own country and make his clothing line in a sweat shop.

 

[justoh]

So we're all supposed to be able to decipher Trumpian bullshit in a manner flattering to him?

Not misrepresenting the truth isn't flattery.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/flattery?s=t

 

[Jhhnn]

Not misrepresenting the truth isn't flattery.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/flattery?s=t

This what Trump actually said-

Here’s the bottom line. We’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening. We’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening in Germany, you look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers [of refugees from Muslim-majority countries]. They’re having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what’s happening in Brussels. You look at what’s happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris. We’ve allowed thousands and thousands of people into our country and there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing. So we’re going to keep our country safe.

Nothing of note happened the night before in Sweden. It's fake news. This part is my fave, the part that's outright bullshit-

We’ve allowed thousands and thousands of people into our country and there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing.

Next you'll be telling us that Trump wasn't talking about Muslim refugees when he said that, but rather about some unspecified group of other people, like Mexican illegals.

 

[Younigue]

So we're all supposed to be able to decipher Trumpian bullshit in a manner flattering to him?

Lol, he makes it impossible.

 

[justoh]

Nothing of note happened the night before in Sweden. It's fake news.
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Except he wasn't talking about what happened the night before, but rather what he had seen the night before on fox news.

Liar.

 

[Younigue]

This what Trump actually said-



Nothing of note happened the night before in Sweden. It's fake news. This part is my fave, the part that's outright bullshit-



Next you'll be telling us that Trump wasn't talking about Muslim refugees when he said that, but rather about some unspecified group of other people, like Mexican illegals.

Ok, I don't like saying anything in the defense of the Tang One but I heard what he said and I understood that "last night" meant what he saw the night before. It doesn't change the fact that he says absurd, disgusting things on the regular.

 

[ch33zw1z]

He didn't say that though, and he said it at a rally. Any clarification for those of us who question statements, is merely for us. His fervent supporters couldn't give two shits if the information was even viable.

Literally says "last night in Sweden", about nothing.

 

[Younigue]

I'm not disagreeing with you that it was poorly worded. The guy is nearly incomprehensible. At least the essence of his message comes across loud and clear... His intentions toward the country are not beneficial for the people or the environment (he's got you coming and going). His supporters delight in supporting it more to stick it to those who disagree with them then to see the big picture.

 

[justoh]

Nah. His supporters know about the situation in Sweden, have known for a long time, probably watched the same segment he watched on fox news, and probably knew exactly what he was talking about.

It's not like he referenced a country that hasn't been experiencing problems with refugees.

There were only two possible interpretations of what he had said: (1) complete fabrication or (2) ambiguously worded language. Given bowling green, and ignoring all other context, then perhaps it's an innocent mistake to go with (1), but we know (a) that trump watches fox news religiously, (b) that sweden is experiencing a problem with refugees, (c) and that trump is incredibly stupid and inarticulate.

Therefore any honest, objective observer would have at least considered (2) and realized almost immediately what was meant, and all other observers are dishonest.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

The Truth is Absolute -- more or less. Things only happen with any number of causes, or they don't. Often, the causes are obvious. Other times, a sampling of news sources requires some basic inference.

As humans, we can only know the Truth about the world we live in as an approximation, hopefully an approximation with less and less margin of error as the Human Race progresses. So I accept all this. I accept that it is quite possible that Trump betrayed his country to the Russians. It is maybe even more possible that the Russians have already won a coup against us as a sort of time-delayed revenge for the Cold War's end with the collapse of the USSR. It is as least as possible that Putin's underlying sentiments may reflect that stale old resentment, as it is that Putin is reacting to a newer set of problems in his own status-quo -- including the sanctions.

So it is very possible that the Russians won. Already.

Either we pursue a costly investigation about the Truth and the Facts, we somehow prove impeachable crime on Trump's behalf, or we don't. If we don't follow the search path until prospects dwindle, we'll never know. We'll be stooges of history. But the weakness of this election outcome as an interplay between megalopolitan and rural demography, or simply the ability for a misinformed, underinformed, inferentially-challenged minority to hijack the government for purposes mostly known to the winner's inner circle, is amplified by the prospect that a coordinated Russian-psywar campaign colluded with an election candidate.

Trump's reaction to the press, and his base's Chicken-Little box of panics, beliefs and delusions, shows how much more of a crisis this portends to develop.

There were fence-sitters and maybe some naïve casual voters in the last election. No Democrat or even outspoken Republican voice in the campaign would have "buyer's remorse." Any group as deluded as Trump's base would never have buyer's remorse. But that remaining group would show more and more as this story extends further.

The embarrassment of this for the USA, as Putin might imagine it, is a failure of the American democratic system, as it appears now and probably in history. You see, after Yeltsin, GOP-oriented travelers to Russia went around giving lectures about business and capitalism. This led to a politically influential conclave of Russian concentrated industry, including oil, running the country.

The Russians had to descend from whatever prosperity plateau they'd had before, with deteriorating standard of living and times less prosperous, to include the impact of sanctions as an exercise in lecturing them on international affairs and democratic government. We have always taken opposition to Putin's suppression of the press.

So there you go. He wins again.

 

[zinfamous]

Except he wasn't talking about what happened the night before, but rather what he had seen the night before on fox news.

Liar.

huh?

you look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this

That sentence structure is not vague. Not in any way. Stop being silly.

 

[zinfamous]

Nah. His supporters know about the situation in Sweden, have known for a long time, probably watched the same segment he watched on fox news, and probably knew exactly what he was talking about.

It's not like he referenced a country that hasn't been experiencing problems with refugees.

There were only two possible interpretations of what he had said: (1) complete fabrication or (2) ambiguously worded language. Given bowling green, and ignoring all other context, then perhaps it's an innocent mistake to go with (1), but we know (a) that trump watches fox news religiously, (b) that sweden is experiencing a problem with refugees, (c) and that trump is incredibly stupid and inarticulate.

Therefore any honest, objective observer would have at least considered (2) and realized almost immediately what was meant, and all other observers are dishonest.

This is a defense along the lines of "His supporters knew what he meant, because they likely watched the exact segment...so it isn't a problem because the people that matter in this situation--the only people that he cares to talk to--understood what he meant." You are arguing that it is disingenuous to misinterpret the very specific thing that he said because the few people that actually like the guy, probably understand what he was mis-speaking about.

This is not good. He is supposed to be the US president, right? Not merely some representative of a factually extreme minority of the people. There is no defense of the leader of the people if the only thing to defend is that he is speaking to a tiny portion of the people, everyone else be damned. This is bubble politics and it really isn't a problem when it is confined to the irrelevant niche.

 

[Thebobo]

Trump has made a living out of lying more or less, I do not know what is close about it.

Primus SUCKS!

 

[justoh]

This is a defense along the lines of "His supporters knew what he meant, because they likely watched the exact segment...so it isn't a problem because the people that matter in this situation--the only people that he cares to talk to--understood what he meant." You are arguing that it is disingenuous to misinterpret the very specific thing that he said because the few people that actually like the guy, probably understand what he was mis-speaking about.

The comments about his supporters understanding him was merely in reference to what cheezwiz had said about his supporters not caring if the information was viable. I think they probably knew what he was referencing.

Whether or not his supporters understand him isn't important to the point that anyone could have figured out what he was talking about. You're being dishonest or stupid. Are you a journalist?

 

[fskimospy]

The comments about his supporters understanding him was merely in reference to what cheezwiz had said about his supporters not caring if the information was viable. I think they probably knew what he was referencing.

Whether or not his supporters understand him isn't important to the point that anyone could have figured out what he was talking about. You're being dishonest or stupid. Are you a journalist?

You are tying yourself up into knots here and what Trump said was not ambiguous, he said 'you look at what happened last night in Sweden.' Unless Fox News's studios have been relocated to Sweden, he was referencing something happening in Sweden.

You're saying other people should do this with Trump's unambiguous statement to make it not stupid:
You look at what’s happening. [on television] You look at what happened [the story last night] in Sweden [on Fox News about Sweden].

Now THAT is stupid and dishonest. Maybe you could take some lessons from journalists.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Nah. His supporters know about the situation in Sweden, have known for a long time, probably watched the same segment he watched on fox news, and probably knew exactly what he was talking about.

It's not like he referenced a country that hasn't been experiencing problems with refugees.

There were only two possible interpretations of what he had said: (1) complete fabrication or (2) ambiguously worded language. Given bowling green, and ignoring all other context, then perhaps it's an innocent mistake to go with (1), but we know (a) that trump watches fox news religiously, (b) that sweden is experiencing a problem with refugees, (c) and that trump is incredibly stupid and inarticulate.

Therefore any honest, objective observer would have at least considered (2) and realized almost immediately what was meant, and all other observers are dishonest.

Here's the thing, he's not just addressing his supporters anymore, he's not just talking to his fellow fox news viewers. He's the president of the united states. So, for good or for ill, until he is not the president, whether that's in 4 weeks, 4 months, 4 years or, fsm help us, 8 years, he needs to talk to all of us.
one of the 'good things' drumpf supporters mention time and time again, is that he speaks his mind. That seems to have fallen off dramatically, now he's speaking in subtlety and nuance, sorry, he's NEVER ever been associated with either of those types of communication.
He speaks at a middle school level, that's been proven, and while he thinks he uses the best words, he has a very limited vocabulary, and his followers glom onto everything he said, spinning it for him, explaining while he said "A", he meant "B"
He's a pathological, serial liar. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So we're all supposed to be able to decipher Trumpian bullshit in a manner flattering to him?

This from a guy that thinks when President Trump said "people will say Merry Christmas again" That it was a solid campaign promise.

It's hard for the deranged anti-Trumpers, but sometimes you actually have to use your own judgement.

 

[justoh]

I pointed out repeatedly that any objective observer would have known what he meant, and not just his supporters. This includes the media. Try having a little bit of integrity.

 

[Jhhnn]

Ok, I don't like saying anything in the defense of the Tang One but I heard what he said and I understood that "last night" meant what he saw the night before. It doesn't change the fact that he says absurd, disgusting things on the regular.

You only know that because his remarks were questioned & he elaborated That or you watched that particular episode of Fox News. Had it not been questioned he sure as Hell would have let it stand the way he said it.

It's like 3M illegal votes, the bigly-est inauguration crowd ever, the Bowling Green massacre & the rest of the stream of bullshit intended to deceive.

 

[Thebobo]

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