Trump administration seen as more truthful than news media

[hal2kilo]

Conservative media has spent the better part of two decades now programming their audience to distrust any media outside the conservative bubble, so their mistrust is just a given. The credibility of the media among liberals has taken a major hit recently, at least in my own opinion, not because of a lack of truthfulness on the part of the mainstream media, but because they kept Trump in the game for far too long due to his ratings bonanza. The false equivalency they peddled between Clinton's emails and Trump was beyond the pale, and is the reason he got elected. They held Trump to his own standard, while holding Clinton to a presidential standard, and now we have Trump in the white house because of it.

Nail hit on head.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So even though you have 3 degrees you can't google it yourself?

oooh, swing and a miss tajjy, nice try though.

 

[Commodus]

So what you're saying is that Emerson college is stupid and has no idea how to do a poll, and they have no idea how to make adjustments to the data for such things. Not that I'm saying the poll is accurate (I have no idea).

I'm not saying they're stupid, but they're definitely reaching by citing a poll that size and with a glaring omission in its data. The bigger issue, to me, is that The Hill took the poll and ran with it, making it seem bigger than it really is. Yes, that does point out problems with the media (I did say "mostly" trustworthy, not completely), but in this case it's mainly an exaggeration.

Your opinion =/= absolute truth.

It's not just my opinion; it's demonstrated by empirical evidence. Let me rattle off just some of the lies we've seen in the first few weeks:

- Inauguration crowd size (it was smaller than Bush Jr.'s, not the largest ever)
- The Bowling Green "massacre" (never existed, and Conway did not just 'misspeak')
- "It's not a ban" (even though Trump and Spicer said it was a ban before)
- Conway's "alternative facts" (i.e. lies)
- Chicago crime is mainly due to illegal immigrants (there's no evidence to support this)
- The US crime rate is at a 47-year high (FBI data shows that it's actually near a record low)
- The Yemen raid went perfectly (it was a disaster)
- There have been many terrorist attacks the press didn't cover (the list of 'examples' included some of the most heavily-covered attacks in recent history)
- Equivocating the US with Russia (when's the last time a US President had a political opponent killed with radiation poisoning?)
- All polls showing that Trump is unpopular are "fake news"

Need I go on? I'm not saying the media is flawless, but they're squeaky clean compared to this administration.

 

[MongGrel]

Trump says courts too political; no travel ban ruling on Wednesday

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-idUSKBN15L0GC

Trumps opinions about anything are flawed in general, he seemed to have the misguided idea he could just walk in and go full Mussolini.

It's almost as scary a lot of his supporters believed so also.

 

[Bowfinger]

You can spew that drivel all you like, but the media itself has driven the distrust. You can only lie so many times before people realize you're not to be trusted.

No, it's GOP propagandists and their faithful drones endlessly lying about the legitimate media that have driven the distrust. While the legitimate media have flaws, frequent dishonesty isn't one of them. They leave that for the right wing media, a disreputable mix of propagandists and fake news pushers whose business model is telling sweet little lies to righties.

I'm a bit surprised you keep flogging this canard after getting smacked down. I noted you offered nary a word to challenge it.

 

[mect]

So the interpretation of the poll is that half of America is stupid.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Oh teh noes! I have a bad reputation on AT P&N, oh what will I do?

You notice they're not mentioning the poll that shows only 8% of Americans have a great deal of trust in the media? Numbers that low speak to serious problems with public trust in an institution that has seriously screwed up for decades.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You notice they're not mentioning the poll that shows only 8% of Americans have a great deal of trust in the media? Numbers that low speak to serious problems with public trust in an institution that has seriously screwed up for decades.

still more trust than I have in the twatwaffle in the oval office currently.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

still more trust than I have in the twatwaffle in the oval office currently.

Depending on which poll his approval ratings are over 50%, but keep pretending that the foaming at the mouth lefties like yourself are having a big impact on what most Americans think.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_feb8

 

[woolfe9998]

No, it's GOP propagandists and their faithful drones endlessly lying about the legitimate media that have driven the distrust. While the legitimate media have flaws, frequent dishonesty isn't one of them. They leave that for the right wing media, a disreputable mix of propagandists and fake news pushers whose business model is telling sweet little lies to righties.

I'm a bit surprised you keep flogging this canard after getting smacked down. I noted you offered nary a word to challenge it.

Yes, the right wing media is horribly dishonest and they constantly lie about the MSM. This no doubt drives conservatives even farther away from the MSM and explains why 90% of republicans say they don't trust the media. However, it doesn't explain why 31% of democrats say they don't trust the media. A different theory is needed to explain that part of the equation.

 

[fskimospy]

Depending on which poll his approval ratings are over 50%, but keep pretending that the foaming at the mouth lefties like yourself are having a big impact on what most Americans think.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_feb8

I like how you complained that people were ignoring poll results and then ignored the fact that most polls have Trump as the lowest rated president at this point in all of US history.

Gee, I wonder why.

 

[WelshBloke]

All-out fake news like "Lady Gaga to perform Satanic ritual"? No, I don't think so.
Nuance is kind of important.

Ah! So OP needs to add "by stupid people" to the title then!

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Depending on which poll his approval ratings are over 50%, but keep pretending that the foaming at the mouth lefties like yourself are having a big impact on what most Americans think.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_feb8

You mean if you only look at one poll. Maybe zogby as well. All the rest he's at almost double digits to the disapproval side.

 

[Jhhnn]

Lets set aside all the debate on polls over the past couple of months and focus on this one...

From the press release

So, 89% of Repub voters are semi-delusional? The poll seems redundant given that they voted for Trump in the first place.

Meanwhile, the murder rate is up & out of control & tens of thousands of terrarist attacks go unreported, not to mention that thousands of New Jersey Muslims danced in the streets when the WTC came down.

 

[1sikbITCH]

http://www.thehill.com/homenews/media/318514-trump-admin-seen-as-more-truthful-than-news-media-poll



Kind of funny. How far has media credibility fallen? Well, apparently now it's even lower than Trump's credibility, which is saying something. With formerly respectable (if biased) organizations like CNN going all-out fake news / tabloid, I guess this is not surprising.

The news media is posting a poll about how how more Americans than not think Trump is a liar. Trump said all polls that view him in a negative light are fake. And we also have here the news media reporting that the news media are worse liars than Trump.

Fake news reporting fake news.

 

[Bowfinger]

Yes, the right wing media is horribly dishonest and they constantly lie about the MSM. This no doubt drives conservatives even farther away from the MSM and explains why 90% of republicans say they don't trust the media. However, it doesn't explain why 31% of democrats say they don't trust the media. A different theory is needed to explain that part of the equation.

Maybe. As I said in another thread recently, there's nothing magical in Democrats' brains that makes them immune to effective propaganda. They may be more resistant to it when it doesn't confirm their biases, but it's human nature to start believing lies if they're repeated often enough. Attacks on the legitimate media are pervasive on the right, all the way up to Donnie himself.

Beyond that, I suspect it may also depend on what one means by "trust". As I said in the comment I linked above:

No, the legitimate media aren't perfect. Not at all. They rely on fallible humans, they focus too much on ratings, and they suck at breaking stories where they're desperate to fill the airwaves with ... something, anything. They love celebrities, scandals, and fluff. The broadcast media avoid in-depth reporting that might require their audience to pay attention and think. The FACT remains, however, that they are still in a totally different league than the fake news mills. No amount of crying and misdirection by Donnie or his sycophants will change that FACT.

So, do I trust the legitimate media? Overall, yes, but my level of trust varies based on the topic and my mood. I like the "trust, but verify" approach whenever possible. Do I think they're dishonest, however? No, not in general.

 

[WelshBloke]

So the interpretation of the poll is that half of America is stupid.

Well about half of America has below average intelligence.

 

[mect]

You notice they're not mentioning the poll that shows only 8% of Americans have a great deal of trust in the media? Numbers that low speak to serious problems with public trust in an institution that has seriously screwed up for decades.

You keep talking about the media as if it is a single entity. You do realize that there are many different news organizations, with varying reputations for reliability. I would recommend that maybe you need to just select better news sources, but unfortunately I think your metric for determining the reliability of a news source is whether or not they publish things you agree with rather than whether or not their facts check out.

 

[woolfe9998]

Maybe. As I said in another thread recently, there's nothing magical in Democrats' brains that makes them immune to effective propaganda. They may be more resistant to it when it doesn't confirm their biases, but it's human nature to start believing lies if they're repeated often enough. Attacks on the legitimate media are pervasive on the right, all the way up to Donnie himself.

Beyond that, I suspect it may also depend on what one means by "trust". As I said in the comment I linked above:

So, do I trust the legitimate media? Overall, yes, but my level of trust varies based on the topic and my mood. I like the "trust, but verify" approach whenever possible. Do I think they're dishonest, however? No, not in general.

Those people on the left who say they overall "distrust the media" aren't listening to the same propaganda. They aren't tuning in to Fox News and Breitbart. And if Trump bashes the media, if anything that makes liberals more likely to trust it because Trump is hated by virtually 100% of the left.

I can't verify this with data, but I have a strong hunch that those 31% are farther left on average than the other 69%. Extremists will never trust a mainstream news media that basically just presents facts. They'll always be suspicious of it. The right has far more extremists which is why they distrust the MSM more, and why they have such an insatiable appetite for propaganda.

 

[Bowfinger]

Those people on the left who say they overall "distrust the media" aren't listening to the same propaganda. They aren't tuning in to Fox News and Breitbart. And if Trump bashes the media, if anything that makes liberals more likely to trust it because Trump is hated by virtually 100% of the left.

I can't verify this with data, but I have a strong hunch that those 31% are farther left on average than the other 69%. Extremists will never trust a mainstream news media that basically just presents facts. They'll always be suspicious of it. The right has far more extremists which is why they distrust the MSM more, and why they have such an insatiable appetite for propaganda.

Makes sense. That's likely a factor as well.

 

[OrByte]

You notice they're not mentioning the poll that shows only 8% of Americans have a great deal of trust in the media? Numbers that low speak to serious problems with public trust in an institution that has seriously screwed up for decades.

It is funny you posting in a thread and discussing trust.
I don't trust you.

You aren't American. You are posting solely to create discord amongst americans. You are a professional troll.

 

[jackstar7]

The very notion that "The Media" is some monolithic industry presenting one message to be believed or not...

Nuance is apparently the real enemy they distrust.

 

[FelixDeCat]

President Trump appears to be one the greatest leaders of the 21st century. No wonder he had more credibility than the corrupt liberal media.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

President Trump appears to be one the greatest leaders of the 21st century. No wonder he had more credibility than the corrupt liberal media.

what a poseur you are.

 

[dawp]

President Trump appears to be one the greatest leaders of the 21st century. No wonder he had more credibility than the corrupt liberal media.

do you know how I know you're trolling?