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Trump’s lawyers argue he is able to commit virtually limitless crime

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fskimospy

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No, really. Today in legal arguments over the subpoena of Trump’s financial documents this happened:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...cial-records-mazars-court-hearing/1187746001/

At one point, Mehta asked whether Congress could investigate if the president was engaged in corrupt behavior in office.

“I don’t think that’s the proper subject of investigation as to the president,” Consovoy said, although executive agencies could be investigated.

Mehta sounded incredulous, asking whether Congress could have investigated Watergate, which led to President Richard Nixon's resignation, and Whitewater, which led to President Bill Clinton's impeachment. Consovoy initially said he’d have to look at the basis for those investigations.

“They were inquiring as to violations of criminal law,” Mehta said. “It’s pretty straightforward – among other things.”
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So, by investigating Trump’s corruption Congress is exceeding its authority because that’s a law enforcement action.

So for those keeping score, law enforcement can’t indict the president and the proper remedy is impeachment. Oh and Congress can’t investigate him to see if he’s committing crimes worthy of impeachment.

Any conservatives want to now come out in favor of impeachment?
 
fskimospy said:
No, really. Today in legal arguments over the subpoena of Trump’s financial documents this happened:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...cial-records-mazars-court-hearing/1187746001/



So, by investigating Trump’s corruption Congress is exceeding its authority because that’s a law enforcement action.

So for those keeping score, law enforcement can’t indict the president and the proper remedy is impeachment. Oh and Congress can’t investigate him to see if he’s committing crimes worthy of impeachment.

Any conservatives want to now come out in favor of impeachment?
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Nope, its still party before country and they've got circular reasoning as to why that's ok.

I wonder if the judge laughed or did a spit take when that conversation took place.
 
ivwshane said:
Nope, its still party before country and they've got circular reasoning as to why that's ok.

I wonder if the judge laughed or did a spit take when that conversation took place.
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You would think that the party that claims to be afraid of an excessively powerful federal government would be more concerned about the chief executive claiming effective immunity from the law.

It sure does make me think their fears may not have been genuine.
 
Feb. 17, 2016. South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham on Donald Trump: "I'm not going to try to get into the mind of Donald Trump because I don't think there's a whole lot of space there. I think he's a kook. I think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for office."




Oct. 9, 2017. Graham and Trump play a round of golf.

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Lindsey Graham @LindseyGrahamSC

Really enjoyed a round of golf with President @realDonaldTrump today. President Trump shot a 73 in windy and wet conditions!
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They played again later.


Nov. 30, 2017. Graham: "I’m concerned by the media’s attempt to label Trump as a kook or not fit to be President."

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Lindsey Graham today: I’m concerned by the media’s attempt to label Trump as a kook or not fit to be President. Li… https://t.co/uCrTwYqvtv​
 
Moonbeam said:
Feb. 17, 2016. South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham on Donald Trump: "I'm not going to try to get into the mind of Donald Trump because I don't think there's a whole lot of space there. I think he's a kook. I think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for office."




Oct. 9, 2017. Graham and Trump play a round of golf.

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Really enjoyed a round of golf with President @realDonaldTrump today. President Trump shot a 73 in windy and wet conditions!​

They played again later.


Nov. 30, 2017. Graham: "I’m concerned by the media’s attempt to label Trump as a kook or not fit to be President."

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Lindsey Graham today: I’m concerned by the media’s attempt to label Trump as a kook or not fit to be President. Li… https://t.co/uCrTwYqvtv​
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How dare you attempt to hold someone to their word.
 
Crime no longer exists for the executive. Welcome to The Purge, Presidential Edition.

I don’t invoke the founders often at all but this isn’t what they had in mind. If they wanted to elect a king they would have set it up that way in the first place.
 
Ah yes, let's bring back those days where the omnipotent ruler of royal (now executive) blood gets to have sex with a betrothed peasant maid on the day of her wedding to her peasant suitor. You know, to *heh* bless and approve of the marriage......Oh, and besides, it's the Royal's (executive's) God given right to do so..........because they said so.

In essence, this is all legal according to Trump's legal advisers.
 
I will say this. in reading the judges comment it doesn't seem like he was in any way swayed by these arguments by pointing out that the power of subpoena by congress has been upheld since 1880. I don't think he is inclined to change that precedent with this case.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ep-records-house-plans-rule-promptly-n1005851

Mehta, who was nominated to his position by President Barack Obama, suggested during the hearing that Congress has wide latitude to investigate. He told Trump lawyer William Consovoy that there isn’t a case since 1880 where the Supreme Court or an appeals court found that Congress overstepped its boundaries in issuing a subpoena.
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MomentsofSanity said:
I will say this. in reading the judges comment it doesn't seem like he was in any way swayed by these arguments by pointing out that the power of subpoena by congress has been upheld since 1880. I don't think he is inclined to change that precedent with this case.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ep-records-house-plans-rule-promptly-n1005851
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Those decisions were long before God-Emporer Trump became President, now we throw out all of our laws and the Constitution and make him President for Life.
 
But that's the thing... Trump did not commit any crimes while president. George Bush and Dick Cheney committed plenty of crimes however. And no one cares.
 
fskimospy said:
Always fun to wonder if someone is being blackmailed or if they are simply that devoid of principles and dignity.
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Sadly, I been thinking about this a lot. I really think Trump has seriously damaging info about, well, let's just call it, Linsey's private life.
 
fskimospy said:
Always fun to wonder if someone is being blackmailed or if they are simply that devoid of principles and dignity.
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As I've said before, much of this makes sense if you imagine these actors families being held hostage in a basement somewhere..
 
cytg111 said:
As I've said before, much of this makes sense if you imagine these actors families being held hostage in a basement somewhere..
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It does. What also makes sense though is that they consider re-election, personal ties, and financial ties to their party to be more important than Democratic principles. It’s the more likely answer to me.

It’s not like Lindsey Graham was some paragon of virtue before or anything. He’s always been a shitbag.
 
ibex333 said:
But that's the thing... Trump did not commit any crimes while president. George Bush and Dick Cheney committed plenty of crimes however. And no one cares.
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The Mueller report pretty clearly spells out a number of different felonies committed directly by Trump while in office. This is part of the problem, because the executive branch says the president can’t be indicted Mueller didn’t indict him.

Now Trump is saying that not only can law enforcement not indict him, Congress can’t investigate him to see if he committed crimes either.

Hard to deny that’s a recipe for nearly unlimited criminal activity by the president. Conservatives are all about original intent of the founders. Do you believe they intended to make it so the president could commit crimes with impunity?
 
tweaker2 said:
Ah yes, let's bring back those days where the omnipotent ruler of royal (now executive) blood gets to have sex with a betrothed peasant maid on the day of her wedding to her peasant suitor. You know, to *heh* bless and approve of the marriage......Oh, and besides, it's the Royal's (executive's) God given right to do so..........because they said so.

In essence, this is all legal according to Trump's legal advisers.
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Sounds like Fornication Under Consent of the King.
 
ibex333 said:
But that's the thing... Trump did not commit any crimes while president. George Bush and Dick Cheney committed plenty of crimes however. And no one cares.
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At least 10 counts of obstruction so far, as POTUS. This is documented fact.

I know you aren't familiar with US law and while this kind of thing is expected with your government of choice over there, but this is actually illegal in the US.
 
Congressional Democrats want access to everything so they can decide if someone is doing something illegal. Dems want a carte blanche fishing expedition and are basically telling the Patriot Act to hold their beer.
 
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