The court process is especially slow. The Supreme Court would never allow a law that expedited executions because any such thing would violate due process. Shit happens and wrongful convictions are all to common, and take on average of 15 years to "correct". Hell Timothy Cole died in prison 14 years after he was wrongfully convicted. He wasn't exonerated until 2009/2010, even though there were doubts of his guilt from the get go.
The court process is especially slow. The Supreme Court would never allow a law that expedited executions because any such thing would violate due process. Shit happens and wrongful convictions are all to common, and take on average of 15 years to "correct". Hell Timothy Cole died in prison 14 years after he was wrongfully convicted. He wasn't exonerated until 2009/2010, even though there were doubts of his guilt from the get go.
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It's not about weeping, its about if you are going to have the death penalty you had better get it right. Standards for DP should be higher then life in prison.
If there were major recanting of evidence in the Brewer case a stay would have been appropriate.
sportage
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This was an issue between pro vs anti death penalty.
After all those years, I believe the recanting witnesses simply did not want to be part of another death. Their recanting was more so a statement against the death penalty and feeling they too would become part of the death back all those years ago. After so many years, its normal for people to have second thoughts. You have to support the justice system, in my opinion. People just like us sit on that jury day after day, then decide. You cannot just ignore all the hard work they went through.
Even if no witness had recanted, but they were still sure he was the one, it isn’t surprising so many might have changed their minds on not what happened but on the death penalty process itself.
I find the real heroes are the victim families that forgive and reject the taking of another life. And I have a hard time with the victim families that feel they have no closure until another life has been taken. That is the true sad part. The fact Perry feels taking another life is the ultimate justice tells me that he is in fact no Christian. Perry's religious beliefs, if he has any, are not from Christian beliefs, but come from a dark evil soul. But that’s another issue...
After all those years, I believe the recanting witnesses simply did not want to be part of another death. Their recanting was more so a statement against the death penalty and feeling they too would become part of the death back all those years ago. After so many years, its normal for people to have second thoughts. You have to support the justice system, in my opinion. People just like us sit on that jury day after day, then decide. You cannot just ignore all the hard work they went through.
Even if no witness had recanted, but they were still sure he was the one, it isn’t surprising so many might have changed their minds on not what happened but on the death penalty process itself.
I find the real heroes are the victim families that forgive and reject the taking of another life. And I have a hard time with the victim families that feel they have no closure until another life has been taken. That is the true sad part. The fact Perry feels taking another life is the ultimate justice tells me that he is in fact no Christian. Perry's religious beliefs, if he has any, are not from Christian beliefs, but come from a dark evil soul. But that’s another issue...
Deeko
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Says the dude from Washington? I know first hand what a terrible swamp this state is, so I wouldn't be insulting other places of residence if I were you.
The shell casings were not an absolute match. They might match, but it isn't for certain.
pcgeek11
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He was already given a trial and found guilty of the crimes he was accused of.
He has also been through the complete appeals process and none has gone in his favor.
22 years can cloud a lot of memories...
pcgeek11
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No. They either Match or they Don't Match... they cannot do both.
Shooting # 01 - Davis is convicted.
Shooting # 02 - Davis is convicted. The shell casings match the ones from shooting # 01, 10 eye witnesses testified he did it.
I think this is just and excuse to protest the death penalty.
I always thought you were a complete moron, but its nice to see it proven so well. I wonder what is broken inside your worthless brain that you think "If only we killed people faster, then we wouldn't have all questions come up."
pcgeek11
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No one said it was CSI. They match or don't... Everything I have read stated that the shell casings were a match between the two convicted crimes. You know they look at several different characteristics such as firing pin mark and ejector lever marks. Enough where I would venture they can tell they came from the same weapon.
How about send us a link where it says they almost match..
That has been one of the defense's points over the years. The witness for the prosecution said that he thinks they match, while the examinations by the defense during the appeal process says that they might match but it is not definitive. Each side is going to use the results of the person that best supports their case.
Again, it isn't an exact science. It isn't "either they match or they don't". The experts do the examinations and come to their own conclusion. There is no magic CSI 100% match.
Around the same time one KKK member got executed in Texas for killing an innocent black man. The other one who killed an innocent black man is governor of the state and will get away with it.
pcgeek11
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I'll give you that it isn't 100% absolute science. There is no 100% absolute anything. That being said they can tell that the casing came out of the same weapon.
Here is some good reading for you:
The forensic science of C.S.I.
By Katherine M. Ramsland
See page # 212
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And they weren't ranting and raving about Brewer being executed either
Your whole spiel about Fox talking heads and cheering Tea Partiers is a bunch of bullshit anyway. Why would they have to figure out a way to spin a black man being executed for killing cop, since according to you idiots they are all a bunch of racist anyway.
Don't be jealous little girl, go play in the rain.
99% of what Craig234 says on these forums are are lies, the other 1% no one can remember.
Actually, it is a forensic science, as much as any other forensic science.
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they said on the news that the cops forced the "witnesses" to accuse troy davis by withholding medical care until they did so
pcgeek11
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They say a lot of things on the news that is BS. Withhold medical care for whom?
Originally Posted by dmcowen674 
Took too long
If they would carry out executions in a reasonable amount of time after found guilty this ground swell of anti-Death Penalty supporters would not have a chance to gain traction.
Awwww thank you.
If we killed "criminal" people faster don't you think there would be less criminals?
Having no deterrent works real well.
I think we should bring back public hangings in the town square.
Took too long
If they would carry out executions in a reasonable amount of time after found guilty this ground swell of anti-Death Penalty supporters would not have a chance to gain traction.
Awwww thank you.
If we killed "criminal" people faster don't you think there would be less criminals?
Having no deterrent works real well.
I think we should bring back public hangings in the town square.
OBLAMA2009
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i think it was the homeless guy who the cop had come over to. you dont think the cops did their best to lie about this case to convict this guy?
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So the cops withheld medical care to some homeless dude to get ten witnesses to testify that Troy Davis shot the cop?
Where the hell did you come up with that load?
Davis was convicted of a prior shooting.
Davis is charged with killing this cop.
Shell casings from both shootings match.
10 eye witnesses ID Davis as the shooter.
Davis is convicted of killing cop.
Davis loses all appeals.
I think an awful lot has to go wrong for his conviction to be BS.
I personally think he is guilty.
The protesters are just using Davis as a poster boy for the anti death penalty movement.
When witnesses back peddle 22 years later means nothing.
Jimmy Carter is an idiot.
NAACP, they defend the actions of all blacks be they right or wrong.
All the liberal groups from Europe etc. Who give a crap what they think. It's none of their business.
The Pope, None of his business either.
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Didn't happen in the case of the cop. He was found guilty of obstructing justice by a jury of his peers and executed on the spot. (Pistol-whipping the homeless is just good community policing -- the cop shouldn't have gotten involved.) Yet people still had a problem with it after the fact. :hmm:
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you mean the state with a larger economy, more political clout and cultural output than the entire country of australia?
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