Troy Davis execution

[woolfe9999]

Don't put this on me, I have zero "trust" in the jury system as it is made up of people, who make mistakes. I was simply trying to point out that, as far as government is concerned, an after school program is just a little bit different to a trial. Anyways, I wouldn't use the word "trust" in the case of people who defend juries, its more "faith". Much in the same way global warming fanatics have "faith" that they are right. In this case the same can be said in that global warmists (?) have faith that they are 100% correct and "profess no doubt whatsoever about it". But that's another issue and I will not muddy the waters of this thread with it anymore.

Leaving aside your attempt to take a swipe at global warming science in a thread about the death penalty, I have to wonder how you can possibly support the death penalty when you have "zero trust in the jury system." Wow. Little needs to be said about that...

You're right about one thing though. If the government screws up an after school program, some tax payer money might be wasted. If it screws up a death penalty trial, an innocent person may die.

 

[JS80]

Just stating the facts.

2009 Totals
Murders by whites 5,286
Murders by blacks 5,890

White population 72.4%
Black population 12.6%

What about law abiding blacks who don't murder? So just because a higher proportion of black males commit crime, you condemn all blacks? OK great, let's get rid of all blacks. Now you are left with the next most "dangerous to society" race as whites. We can get rid of you too then.

 

[JS80]

Troy Davis wasn't convicted by an all white jury in the 60s. 7/12 jurors were black and this was in 1989.

 

[xBiffx]

Leaving aside your attempt to take a swipe at global warming science in a thread about the death penalty, I have to wonder how you can possibly support the death penalty when you have "zero trust in the jury system." Wow. Little needs to be said about that...

You're right about one thing though. If the government screws up an after school program, some tax payer money might be wasted. If it screws up a death penalty trial, an innocent person may die.

Show me where I said I supported it. Again, making stuff up to suit your prejudice? You try to label me conservative and as such I must support the death penalty. Got news for you, there are plenty of conservatives who do not and nothing I have said should lead you to believe either way in my case.

 

[xj0hnx]

Oh yeah it's clearly bullshit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xT1iMvTwYI

Yes, that's correct, your spiel about Fox talking heads, and the TEA partiers is clearly bullshit, thanks for posting a video that shows them cheering about executions, while claiming they have to find some way to spin the story. Here's a little hint since you don't seem bright enough to figure it out ...if they are so racist, and love the death penalty so much, then why would they have to "figure out a way to spin" the execution of a black man that killed a cop? Clearly because they are all so racist and are just in love with killing black people they wouldn't need to spin anything, they would be running with the story top of the hour every hour until his last breath.

 

[xj0hnx]

What is racist about stating facts. I did not state opinion. I backed it up with numbers that are quite alarming.
As for Raleigh, NC. Get a fucking clue. Consistently ranked as the top or near the top of cities to live. There are not too many trailer parks in Raleigh, NC.

You'll have to excuse Macumass, he's our local protective helmet wearing leftist caricature who calls everyone that doesn't think like him an slack jawed, inbred hick, it's self-hatred, and projection at it's finest.

 

[woolfe9999]

Show me where I said I supported it. Again, making stuff up to suit your prejudice? You try to label me conservative and as such I must support the death penalty. Got news for you, there are plenty of conservatives who do not and nothing I have said should lead you to believe either way in my case.

You're right, I inferred it, perhaps incorrectly. However, oddly enough, you are obfuscating your position here. So let's get this straight: you do or do not support the death penalty?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I wonder where the rest of the southern trash is to scream and yell about racist comments?

Oh yeah, inbred vomit looks after it's own.

It's obvious that you've never been to the Research Triangle.

 

[xBiffx]

You're right, I inferred it, perhaps incorrectly. However, oddly enough, you are obfuscating your position here. So let's get this straight: you do or do not support the death penalty?

I look at this issue as I do many others. There is no blanket yes, no answer. The death penalty does serve a purpose and it should only be used when there is irrefutable evidence in the case. Even then we are talking about murderers with no hope, i.e. the Manson's, Dalmer's, Berkowitz's. I don't think we should go around willy nilly sticking needles into every inmate's arms either. However, in the case were it is decided to be used, the execution should be carried out in a timely manner. With this case, the decision should have been made long before 22 years, one way or the other. With that in mind, this case was not a good application of it. I still think he was guilty but the time for the death penalty was probably 20 years ago for him.

 

[pcgeek11]

Really? Do you know the last state in the US ro revoke laws banning interracial marriage? Alabama. Guess how long it took them? Until just before the year 2000! Even then 55% of Republicans were opposed to revoking.

Who cares. Are you claiming that there is no racism in the northern states. If so just say it.

Then you can be a certified liar.

 

[Jhhnn]

I always find it interesting that so many people don't trust the government to administer an after school program, but have no problem with trusting it to kill your fellow citizens.

So far over their heads that it might as well have been a satellite passing by.

Such is the nature of modern "Conservatives"- they hold contradictory beliefs as a matter of course, because they don't examine what they believe in any sort of way or context at all- they just believe. If it feels good to believe, they do, quite ardently.

As a taxpayer, I'm opposed to the death penalty on purely economic grounds, among others. In a time where the Right thinks it's a good idea to cut, cut, cut!, they might want to look at the fact that modern executions are extremely expensive, that simply holding criminals of that caliber for the rest of their natural lives is actually a cheaper alternative. But it doesn't satisfy conservatives' emotional needs & desires, so they won't even consider it. They want "strong leaders", so a willingness to kill other people, guilty or innocent, is part of the profile.

 

[Wreckem]

Really? Do you know the last state in the US ro revoke laws banning interracial marriage? Alabama. Guess how long it took them? Until just before the year 2000! Even then 55% of Republicans were opposed to revoking.

All anti-mesgination laws were overruled(and no longer enforced) in 1967.

There are tons of statutes on the books or clauses in state constitutions in every state that haven't been taken out and are not enforced.

 

[Cstefan]

It's obvious that you've never been to the Research Triangle.

No doubt. I live there and it changed my opinion about the south. Not Alabama though :whiste:

 

[werepossum]

Who decides what charges are filed, what sentencing enhancements, death vs. LWOP? The DA's office. Who decides what evidence the jury gets to see in the first place, and instructs the jury in how to apply the law to the facts? Judges. Who decides if a trial was fair and whether ir needs to be overturned? Appellate judges. Who makes the laws that criminals are prosecuted under, defines all the elements, determines what are mitigating and aggravating factors, what circumstances qualify for the death penalty which don't? Legislatures. WHo gathers all the evidence, decides what witnesses to interview and which not, what issues are initially relevant and which not? The cops.

Reducing everything to the jury is plain wrong. Eskimospy has a point. You guys won't trust a single person in government to do the slightest thing correctly, but you'll trust it to have a 100% accuracy in criminal convictions resulting in the death penalty and you seem to profess no doubt whatsoever about it. Government institutions are apparently at or near perfect in ascertaining the guilt or innocence of criminals, but totally unable to do anything else correctly.

We on the right trust the government where we must - for those things that must be done by government. Can't exactly have WalMart or Halliburton running our justice system, after all. For those things that don't HAVE to be done by government, we generally prefer they not be done by government even though we have to let them do other, more important things.

 

[piasabird]

If you cant do the time, dont do the crime, Dont Do Ittt!

 

[Greenman]

It's part of the American Good Old Boy's agenda to get a race war started:
- the kids aren't kept off the streets
- they get involved in crime
- they are then executed for their crimes

So the obvious solution is to lock up the kids to keep them off the street. That will break the viscous cycle of them going out doors and killing people.