Tropes vs. Women Author Driven From Home

[Red Storm]

Okay, but that's a different problem. A ton of people have been arguing that she should be giving well beyond what the KS promises because she got well beyond what she asked for. That's not how it works. This sort of complaining happens all the time with KS projects though. Generally the complaining comes from people who didn't pledge in the first place.

I don't know how her KS was setup, but if someone wants money to make something on Kickstarter, and they get far more than they asked for, that just means they need to make a lot more of what it is they are selling.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I think feminists like her are trying to tear down the gaming industry simply because by its very nature it allows young men to escape so many of the things that gives said feminists power over men. The beta nerds no longer clamber for the attention of some worn out old barfly looking for a meal ticket when they can escape reality with a video game and avoid such relationships because they are being fulfilled by games.

Therefore they need to scream rape culture and misogyny about something that is an obvious outlet for some of the darker male tendencies that are part of human nature. The brainwashed white knight men come out of the woodwork yo defend this evil woman simply because they think that acting that way makes them attractive to these women. It doesn't.

I watched one video from her in which she completely takes things out of context to create vile twisted versions of reality to brainwash people. Saw enough to know she is evil.

 

[MongGrel]

If you are a woman, playing a game looking for woman issues, you are not a gamer and need to move on.

Not much to see here, pretty much this.

Someone who want's attention.

 

[nehalem256]

Some of the comments here are pretty disheartening...

I've seen her videos and her points are pretty rational, lucid, and moderate. I don't agree with it all but there's nothing outlandish or deranged there. She does not appear mentally ill. She doesn't say anything that vilifies men nor does she give the impression that she hates men. She doesn't argue for any political party or organization. She doesn't argue for banning video games. She does not claim that there is a conspiracy.

She's just saying that the representation of women in video games are often very one-dimensional, very stereotypical, some times (to her) offensive. And she wants to point out how. The reasons for the way women are portrayed is anyone's guess and most likely its complicated as hell. She thinks its a problem. Some disagree with her. That's all fine.

So the most rabid rants directed at her I suspect must be from people who have not even seen her videos or know what her points are. Some people are extremely quick to jump bandwagons without even doing their research. I frankly don't see why anyone would have the kind of meltdown over what she does, if you're one of those who thinks feminism is crazy or out of hand, she's still the wrong target.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI

Watch this video and see if you still think that.

Apparently she argue that rescuing women from sex traffickers is sexist. And she has some creepy stripper killing fantasies which she blames on men

 

[CakeMonster]

I think feminists like her are trying to tear down the gaming industry simply because by its very nature it allows young men to escape so many of the things that gives said feminists power over men. The beta nerds no longer clamber for the attention of some worn out old barfly looking for a meal ticket when they can escape reality with a video game and avoid such relationships because they are being fulfilled by games.

Are you exaggerating just a tiny bit here? What do these things have to do with each other anyway?

Therefore they need to scream rape culture and misogyny about something that is an obvious outlet for some of the darker male tendencies that are part of human nature. The brainwashed white knight men come out of the woodwork yo defend this evil woman simply because they think that acting that way makes them attractive to these women. It doesn't.

Darker tendencies of males? Speak for yourself. Even she doesn't argue anything about the male nature, just what manifests itself in games. Seems even you outdid her here...

Blanket arguments labeling everyone who does not want to vilify her 100% as "white knights" is a lousy debating technique.

I watched one video from her in which she completely takes things out of context to create vile twisted versions of reality to brainwash people. Saw enough to know she is evil.

Funny how people can see the same thing and come to such different conclusions. "Vile twisted", "brainwash", "evil"? Really? If you want to compare how she argues in her videos compared to how her critics talk about her, even in this thread, the hyperbole is clearly brought by the critics.

 

[Stringjam]

A some what popular person on the internet is getting get threats? This is a regular occurrence and she's not special in any way, shape or form.

This.

Keep your name in the spotlight. Be the "victim."

Amazed there are still people who don't understand this game.


Sad thing, I actually agree with a lot of what she talks about, and I'm pretty da*n tired of some of that stuff as well, but she has really discredited herself with a complete lack of objectivity in the way she generalizes male gamers.

 

[CakeMonster]

Sad thing, I actually agree with a lot of what she talks about, and I'm pretty da*n tired of some of that stuff as well, but she has really discredited herself with a complete lack of objectivity in the way she generalizes male gamers.

If she does, its not in her videos. Those seem to be a critique of the culture that makes game developers resort to the same tropes over and over again. But its quite possible that she's said something about gamers in interviews or in other venues. I've only seen her videos since I presumed that was the main topic here.

 

[Fox5]

I don't agree with all her points, but she doesn't deserve the negative treatment she's getting.

She is certainly welcome to her opinion, and people need to grow up and be able to accept that others can have a viewpoint that radically differs from theirs. It doesn't make it wrong. She may have an agenda, and she may exaggerate, but she also is making valid points that support her argument. She's entitled to her views without receiving death threats.

 

[BoberFett]

Her first video starts with the Princess from Mario. The Princess was a playable character (with an awesome flying ability) in SMB2.

The main character in Beyond Good and Evil is a tough female.


Edit: I see she covers SMB2. Of course she goes on to admit that, yes, in fact the princess is often a playable character in Mario spinoff games, but it's not enough because sometimes she'a a Macguffin.

 

[CakeMonster]

She talks about the princess from Mario in several of her videos, including her part in in SMB2.

 

[nehalem256]

Because these companies care about making money, that's their bottom line. Sex sells, you see it on HBO shows, ads for various products/services, etc. Why are they in certain video games? Because those video games are predominantly targeted towards or bought by certain types of people, and these people like to see hot babes and big guns. What's the big deal? Should we start a campaign about sexism in romance novels complaining that the covers of those types of books only show bare chested men who are obviously the product of women's fantasies and not reality?

Maybe we should start a kickstarter to raise $100,000s to make a video about it.

On the downside we might then have to read 50 shades of gray and twilight

Right. So the industry isn't sexist, their customers are.

Wasn't that kind of the point she was making in those videos?

Men liking sexy naked women isn't sexist by any rational definition of the word sexist.

 

[Nebor]

First of all, I don't believe her.

Second of all, there isn't some moral obligation to make video games friendly to women. Video games are video games. If women like them, that's great, but they shouldn't be fundamentally altered in order to attempt to bring in more women.

Third, anyone who uses the phrase "trigger warning" has zero credibility in my book.

 

[Nebor]

Also, just as Encyclopedia Dramatica fairly and truthfully explained the Zoe Quinn situation, it does a great job explaining Feminist Frequency, real name Anita Sarkeesian. I learned my lesson about linking to ED, but I recommend everyone go read it.

 

[MongGrel]

First of all, I don't believe her.

Second of all, there isn't some moral obligation to make video games friendly to women. Video games are video games. If women like them, that's great, but they shouldn't be fundamentally altered in order to attempt to bring in more women.

Third, anyone who uses the phrase "trigger warning" has zero credibility in my book.

Heh.

NSFW I imagine.

http://imgur.com/gallery/2ZGKK

 

[nehalem256]

Heh.

That horse is creepy :|

 

[MongGrel]

That horse is creepy :|

Was even trying to delete it, but really not much there.

 

[Nebor]

Yeah, the ED totally discredits those "threats" which were obviously made up. She immediately followed those with a request for more people to sign up for her pay-subscription "non-profit." Even though she refuses to provide proof of it's non-profit status to anyone, even when it would save her legal trouble. Seems like she's just another woman trying to make herself into a victim so that dumb men will help her.

 

[BoberFett]

Also, if the tropes are a problem with the video game industry, then why is there such a focus on stopping real world violence against women specifically? Why not stop violence against all people, women and men? Why do women get specially targeted for these campaigns? Do we hear about how awful boys are treated in 3rd world countries or girls? Does she speak out against that inequality?

 

[MongGrel]

 

[Grooveriding]

This person is an imbecile and spews some of the most skewed, inflammatory and self-serving playing the victim garbage around. She demonstrates incredible immaturity with her inability to accept a market dominated by a particular demographic and whines that it doesn't pander to her notions of what she personally wants.

Most rational and well-heeled individuals see her rants for the vapid feces they are. It's unfortunate dysfunctional creeps would react this way to her, with threats and vile crap like that. Never mind that it is just going to and has been used to drum up drama and get more attention.

When you make such an ass of yourself you make it difficult for others to feel much sympathy for you when you are actually being mistreated.

 

[PhatoseAlpha]

Men liking sexy naked women isn't sexist by any rational definition of the word sexist.

Yeah, and men liking someone else picking the cotton isn't racist.
Shall we tell ourselves some other lies? I heard some great ones about Grendel and his mother.

 

[CakeMonster]

Its funny how people on this forum and on YT have very strong opinions on games, game studios, game design, and not least very specific preferences for what games should be like, and people are usually not shy about telling that to the world.

Yet when she expresses that on YT, in videos which clarify definitions, uses lots of examples, and moderate language compared to all of the crazy ranting out there, she is then labeled "evil", "vapid", "mentally ill", "imbecile", "brainwashing" etc. There is definitely a different reaction to her than there is to the average game commentator. Several members of this forum, who are usually quite calm, are bringing out rants with for them completely uncharacteristic insults.

If you want to be fair, consider why you are not hammering the sites of the average YT game commentator telling them how mentally ill they are, and how their opinion is evil and should be compared to excrement.

 

[jruchko]

Yeah, and men liking someone else picking the cotton isn't racist.
Shall we tell ourselves some other lies? I heard some great ones about Grendel and his mother.

You are seriously going to equate biology (liking "sexy naked women") to slavery and racism? Being attracted to women is hard-wired into (most) men through evolution, racism isn't.

Its funny how people on this forum and on YT have very strong opinions on games, game studios, game design, and not least very specific preferences for what games should be like, and people are usually not shy about telling that to the world.

Yet when she expresses that on YT, in videos which clarify definitions, uses lots of examples, and moderate language compared to all of the crazy ranting out there, she is then labeled "evil", "vapid", "mentally ill", "imbecile", "brainwashing" etc. There is definitely a different reaction to her than there is to the average game commentator. Several members of this forum, who are usually quite calm, are bringing out rants with for them completely uncharacteristic insults.

If you want to be fair, consider why you are not hammering the sites of the average YT game commentator telling them how mentally ill they are, and how their opinion is evil and should be compared to excrement.

Watch Thunderf00ts videos on her to understand why people hate her so much. She is intellectually dishonest and a professional victim.

 

[_Rick_]

Watch Thunderf00ts videos on her to understand why people hate her so much. She is intellectually dishonest and a professional victim.

I implore you to not do this.
It's swapping one youtube attention whore for another, both monetize on one disagreeing with the other.
Trolling on youtube has become a major industry, and by watching either of these pro trolls videos, you contribute to the problem.

The trolls will only disappear, when people literally stop feeding them.

(Yes, you could argue that they're not technically trolls, since they derive their money from those that agree with them, as opposed to from those they're getting a rise out of -- but the method and value to society are almost exactly the same)

 

[CakeMonster]

Watch Thunderf00ts videos on her to understand why people hate her so much. She is intellectually dishonest and a professional victim.

How about you explain it yourself instead of making me suffer through even more YT? Surely it can't be that hard to explain. No matter how much you don't like her for whatever reason or whatever she does outside of YT, her videos are quite on topic about gaming and not about herself.