"Troll thread" -- let's hash this out.

[Greenman]

Here you are (stolen from someone else on the board who posted it, but I cannot find whom):

Any time you decide to post an argument that you actually want to discuss, I'll be very excited to read it.

It's a nice flow chart, and I appreciate you hunting it down.
I don't really have anything I want to discuss though, the one opinion I've so far expressed hasn't been well received. I think it's best that I be about my business elsewhere.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

That's fair. There IS no place for humor.

This interenet is known for its serious business.

Of course there's no way to be sure Soph was joking, because what you quoted can easily be read as serious, obviously.

He is clearly mocking the religious right. Ha ha...great joke if you're a bigot I guess.

 

[lotus503]

It's a nice flow chart, and I appreciate you hunting it down.
I don't really have anything I want to discuss though, the one opinion I've so far expressed hasn't been well received. I think it's best that I be about my business elsewhere.

It wasn't well received because it didn't provide any data or counter points.

You have had numerous opportunities to demonstrate specifically why your opinion has merit and have opted instead for total generalities and platitudes.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You believe that it was a valid thread, that there was something to be learned from it. I believe it was speculation from a bunch of people with little knowledge of the subject.
There was no new insight into the words of Christ, there was nothing to be learned from it, there were no new "facts" uncovered.
The point was to try to demonstrate the disingenuous nature of the republican party, and to demean those that align themselves with it. That makes it a troll thread.

As to your final statement, I completely agree with you, this isn't the place for me. Do us all a favor and take my name off the list, that way I won't be tempted to ever respond again should I find myself sitting here with nothing to do.

While I've been tempted a few times to do the same...I wish you would reconsider.

 

[lotus503]

He is clearly mocking the religious right. Ha ha...great joke if you're a bigot I guess.

Is it mocking to call the connection into question?

take the following links for examples of Nuns actually questioning Christian teachings as a matter of public policy.

What would Jesus do unfortunately does resonate when applied to public policy and ideaology.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/19/us/vatican-reprimands-us-nuns-group.html?_r=0

http://www.csbsju.edu/News/KochChair2013.htm

 

[jackstar7]

It's a nice flow chart, and I appreciate you hunting it down.
I don't really have anything I want to discuss though, the one opinion I've so far expressed hasn't been well received. I think it's best that I be about my business elsewhere.

You understand it wasn't well-received due to your lack of evidence to support it, though, right? I mean you see the problem we have isn't with you, but your presentation?

I can't speak for everyone -- as obviously you pushed some folks' buttons a little harder than others -- but I have no beef with you as a person, just you as the person who put for an opinion based on no evidence, just your feelings.

 

[jackstar7]

He is clearly mocking the religious right. Ha ha...great joke if you're a bigot I guess.

Mocking? Do you know how humor works? It takes a premise and takes that premise to an absurd level. Do you not find the notion of religious people as racists absurd? Or is it too plausible to not be funny?

 

[Greenman]

You understand it wasn't well-received due to your lack of evidence to support it, though, right? I mean you see the problem we have isn't with you, but your presentation?

I can't speak for everyone -- as obviously you pushed some folks' buttons a little harder than others -- but I have no beef with you as a person, just you as the person who put for an opinion based on no evidence, just your feelings.

It was an opinion, on a thread that was speculation. I've stated why I thought it was a troll at least twice. What else do you want? I did do a google search, and it turns out that Jesus hasn't published much lately, and he's never said a word about the republican party.

I'm sorry some of you find my opinion so objectionable, but it's the only one I've got on the subject, I believe it's entirely correct, and I stand by it. I can't prove anything beyond that, I don't know of any experts on trolling that I might refer too, nor do I know how to get hold of a Jesuit Monk to render an opinion.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Mocking? Do you know how humor works? It takes a premise and takes that premise to an absurd level. Do you not find the notion of religious people as racists absurd? Or is it too plausible to not be funny?

I know what mocking is...do you?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mocking

1. To treat with ridicule or contempt; deride.
2. a. To mimic, as in sport or derision. See Synonyms at ridicule.


This type of "humor" directed towards the religous right is bigotry in my opinion. Do you understand how bigotry works?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats other people with hatred, contempt, and intolerance on the basis of a person's race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, religion, language, socioeconomic status, or other status.

But more importantly, this type of "humor" significantly undermines the OP's assertion that he didn't intend to troll.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Is it mocking to call the connection into question?

What connection?

 

[lotus503]

What connection?

The connection between the church's (Christian) values and the teachings of Jesus as it relates to conservative policy.

 

[jackstar7]

I absolutely know what bigotry is. ESPECIALLY in relation to religious folk.

I know from experience as a practicing bigot against members of organized religions.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The connection between the church's (Christian) values and the teachings of Jesus as it relates to conservative policy.

Christian values and the teachings of Jesus conflict with liberal policies as well. Therefore, whatever "connection" you're trying to make on the basis of political ideology is moot.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I absolutely know what bigotry is. ESPECIALLY in relation to religious folk.

I know from experience as a practicing bigot against members of organized religions.

Interesting. It's rare to see someone come out and actually admit this. I'm not sure how to respond. A+ for honesty?

 

[lotus503]

Christian values and the teachings of Jesus conflict with liberal policies as well. Therefore, whatever "connection" you're trying to make on the basis of political ideology is moot.

No its not moot and I would be happy to discuss liberal ideology and policy as it relates to religion as well.

If both have serious deficiencies its not irrelevant just means we get to talk about both.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

You believe that it was a valid thread, that there was something to be learned from it. I believe it was speculation from a bunch of people with little knowledge of the subject.

If you felt you had more knowledge, you could have provided it. Instead, you threw a tantrum that's now been going on for a week.

Honestly, I'm tired of trying to engage you here when clearly all you want to do is complain. Post here, or don't, I really don't care.

 

[jackstar7]

Interesting. It's rare to see someone come out and actually admit this. I'm not sure how to respond. A+ for honesty?

People who willfully follow an organized religion share a trait that I believe is important to be bigoted against.

 

[ivwshane]

People who willfully follow an organized religion share a trait that I believe is important to be bigoted against.

While I understand where you are coming from, do you think justifying bigotry makes it ok? I mean I'm pretty sure all bigots could justify their bigotry.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

No its not moot and I would be happy to discuss liberal ideology and policy as it relates to religion as well.

If both have serious deficiencies its not irrelevant just means we get to talk about both.

What reasonable person looking for honest discussion singles out conservative Christians to denigrate when similar shortcomings apply to liberal Christians as well?

 

[jackstar7]

While I understand where you are coming from, do you think justifying bigotry makes it ok? I mean I'm pretty sure all bigots could justify their bigotry.

Well, to clarify, there's no particular organized religion that garners my prejudice, they all have inherent flaws.

 

[jackstar7]

What reasonable person looking for honest discussion singles out conservative Christians to denigrate when similar shortcomings apply to liberal Christians as well?

Do you have links to the major Liberal Christian groups that have a lot of sway in the Democratic party?

 

[lotus503]

What reasonable person looking for honest discussion singles out conservative Christians to denigrate when similar shortcomings apply to liberal Christians as well?

I don't see liberal ideology bringing religion to the mainstream discussion to the same extent I see conservatives or the RW.

I could be wrong but its a worthwhile conversation topic.

Honestly I have always thought how Odd it is that on my Facebook list for example, its all of my Christian "friends" decrying welfare, handouts and other things related to helping the poor or otherwise disenfranchised.

Its my Christian friends re-posting RW talking points.
Its my Christian friends that seem to pass the most judgment.
I have personally found it odd and not in line with the teachings of Jesus.

I am open to discuss the reverse as well, what sort of things do you hear in mass from liberals or democrats that bring up religion and contradict the teachings of Jesus?

 

[ivwshane]

Well, to clarify, there's no particular organized religion that garners my prejudice, they all have inherent flaws.

Then it's organized religion that you have a problem with, not necessarily the people you have a problem with

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Do you have links to the major Liberal Christian groups that have a lot of sway in the Democratic party?

African-Americans.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/african-americans-most-religiously-devout-group-36736/

http://blackdemographics.com/culture/religion/

 

[jackstar7]

Then it's organized religion that you have a problem with, not necessarily the people you have a problem with

Well, the religions need people to perpetuate them... so the people are to blame from my perspective.