The Alias
Senior member
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-trinity-apu,3241.html now tell me why someone would do that now ?
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alexruiz
Platinum Member
So you are challenging me, that my machine with an AMD CPU sucks at gaming worse than yours, right? You have a mighty intel "gaming" cpu, right? I am sure you even paid more for your setup, so how about you show me that your machine beats mine at gaming (FX8120 / TA970XE / Sapphire HD7870) Wanna prove that your powerful gaming machine beats mine? After all, my cpu sucks at gaming, right?
You have been parroting that amd cpus suck at gaming, yet you are on a gtx460. You are not the only deluded one however, quite a few others have setups as mismatched as yours. "But, but, but... it is gaming CPU!" In the meantime, some of us went the cheap route and got a much better video card with our "crappy" CPU, and guess what, both setups cost the same. The gaming experience, however, will be much be better in one system, and it is not the one with the "gaming" CPU.
Back into the thread topic. The prices surely look attractive, but I am holding to see the FM2 motherboards costs. While llano was a success with the OEMs, the DIYs crowd didn't adopt them widely because AM3+ offered a better system for the same money. I know that I took hard looks at the A8s, and after a FM1 mobo; the AM3+ platform offered a better system at the same cost. Wait and see I guess...
LOL_Wut_Axel
Diamond Member
My machine is mainly for programming and normal use, so what are you even talking about? I don't have much time to play, hence why I've held on to the GTX 460. Unlike you I'm not someone pretentious that likes to go around and talk about other people's hardware unless I know what they're using it for, and my machine's main use is not gaming.
Just FYI:
And a Core i3 is faster than an FX 8-core at gaming, BTW:
A Core i3 costs $120 and an FX 8-core $160. That's $40 you can put towards a GPU upgrade, like going from an HD 7850 to a 7870. And since the CPU is faster in gaming, that means it's less likely to cause a bottleneck.
Nice try.
Roland00Address
Platinum Member
I rank buyers of games in 5 categories
5 star, Mister E-Peen aka The World is Not Enough, I Need More Power (Home Improvement Laugh)
4 star, Enthusiast
3 star, Serious
2 star, Casual
1 star, Just the Sims please
Most console players are the 2 star or 3 star people, either Casual or Serious gamers.
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APUs are predominantly meant for Laptops
Desktop APUs are not meant for the Serious, Enthusiast, or Mister E-Peen. They are meant for people who are just 1 star and 2 star. People who will only spend $130 for CPU+Graphics. For the rest of the groups you can usually get them to spend this amount
1 star ($80 most for Cpu+Graphics), AMD A4 dual cores go for $55, AMD A6 quad cores go for $85, Sandybridge Pentiums are $63, Sandybridge i3 $120
2 star ($130 for Cpu+Graphics) A8/A10 territory or celeron+6670 ddr5, or pentium 6670 ddr3
3 star ($230 to $299) i3 with 7750 on low end, i5 with 7750 on high end (so in sum about $100ish for video card without cpu cost)
4 star ($299 to $450) i5 with 6870/560, i5 with 7850, i7 with 6870/560 (aka no more than $200 on video card)
5 star ($550 to $900) i7 with 7850 or above (they want an i7 and a video card that costs at least $200)
The place for the APUs in desktops are for Casual or Just the Sims please. These people are extremely price conscious and almost never build a computer themselves instead getting a prebuilt from hp, dell, acer etc.
If you get someone building a computer themselves and gaming is priority they are almost a serious gamer or above. Very rarely will you find a casual gamer building a computer from scratch, though you will still see people build apus based systems that are casual gamers for they are very price conscious.
So in sum frozentundra the APUs are not meant for you for you are at least a 3 star or above in seriousness in gaming. AMD will try to get you buy an FX processor+Video Card but in my opinion that is a stupid mistake for an i5 is just so much better in gaming and is a better cpu in 70% of tasks. (The i7 is better than an FX in about 98% of tasks.) In your case their is no point of the APUs. But in retail in prebuilt computers it makes a big deal having that $500 total price computer for that single mom with her 13 year old son who wants to play wow.
My machine is mainly for programming and normal use, so what are you even talking about? I don't have much time to play, hence why I've held on to the GTX 460. Unlike you I'm not someone pretentious that likes to go around and talk about other people's hardware unless I know what they're using it for, and my machine's main use is not gaming.
Just FYI:
And a Core i3 is faster than an FX 8-core at gaming, BTW:
A Core i3 costs $120 and an FX 8-core $160. That's $40 you can put towards a GPU upgrade, like going from an HD 7850 to a 7870. And since the CPU is faster in gaming, that means it's less likely to cause a bottleneck.
Nice try.
If you don't have anything contructive but to just prove a meaningless point, then please get out of this thread. You are always negative towards everyone else and its getting very old, its members like you that I have been considering to leave this board.
LOL_Wut_Axel
Diamond Member
Oh, the irony. You say someone isn't being constructive, yet you don't have a single comment on this thread saying anything factual. 🙄
LOL_Wut_Axel
Diamond Member
An HD 4000 can handle that just fine, though.
Believe what you want. I think you are out numbered in this thead so I am done.
Roland00Address
Platinum Member
Fail, Intel HD4000 in desktops cost 145 dollars and above. Currently on newegg the only cpus that have Intel HD4000 in desktops are
i3-2225 ($144.99+FS)
i5-3570k ($229.99+FS)
i7-3770S ($304.99+FS)
i7-3770 ($309.99+FS)
i7-3770k ($329.99+FS).
all other intel ivybridge desktop cpus have the intel hd2500 graphics.
Furthermore the A10 will get superior gpu performance to the $145 dollar i3 and will have similar cpu performance.
In desktops i3s are awesome gaming cpus if you pair them with graphic cards that cost more than $100 dollars. If you aren't going to do that they are sucky gaming cpus and you are better off with an AMD apu.
Yes you can make a decent gaming machine with a sandybridge pentium or celeron+video card (a sandybridge pentium in cpu tasks is very very similar to an core 2 duo e8400 that is much more power efficent). You will not find such a system premade by an oem that does this, and you do take a sacrifice in multithreaded cpu speed if you do this compared to an amd a8/a10.
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AnonymouseUser
Diamond Member
So in reality, the A10 5700K/5800K would be the ideal CPU for you (e-peen stroking excluded). Compared to your current setup, you could build a mini-itx system that would use much less power and output much less heat, while still being more than adequate for all your other tasks, gaming included. Who knew?
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frozentundra123456
Lifer
The problem is, as I said in an earlier post, a10 systems, at least what I have seen in b/m stores are still quite expensive. For instance in Costco I saw side by side an a10 system for 799.00 and an i5 system for 599.00. If an a10 system were in fact 500.00, that would be a more reasonable price.
frozentundra123456
Lifer
To be fair, he was talking about amd cpus, not graphics cards. Saying amd cpus suck is a bit much, but he is correct in general that Intel cpus are better at gaming. I don't think he said anywhere that his rig was better than yours.
Roland00Address
Platinum Member
Currently because trinity is not on the general market and is in short supply for the oems that many manufactures are getting away with outrageous markups. Give it a few months (I say prior to christmas) for the llano stock to dwindle and windows 8 to come out and you will see the a10s in the 500 to 600 range depending on ram and harddrive. Many oems are not releasing trinity yet for windows 8 is only a 50 days away and why release new product when you can just reuse old generation stuff for a month more.
Right now the only people who are buying a10 are amd fanboys, or people who are told the a10 is the best amd chip out there (well it is the best apu), or they are mislead and think it is fast because it is quad core and it has the high gigahertz.
AtenRa
Lifer
The HD6770 GDDR-5 is faster, there is no question about that but,
1. Celeron + Discrete will have higher idle and perhaps load power consumption. Discrete will not completely shut down when idle.
2. Trinity have more features than Celeron + Discrete
3. You can CF Trinity with a Discrete GPU and have same or better performance for the same money as Celeron + Discrete.
4. Celeron + Discrete has one more hardware (GPU) prone to failure plus an extra Heat-sink fan producing extra noise.
5. You cannot put the Celeron + HD6770 GDDR5 in to this mini-iTX case
1. Celeron + Discrete will have higher idle and perhaps load power consumption. Discrete will not completely shut down when idle.
2. Trinity have more features than Celeron + Discrete
3. You can CF Trinity with a Discrete GPU and have same or better performance for the same money as Celeron + Discrete.
4. Celeron + Discrete has one more hardware (GPU) prone to failure plus an extra Heat-sink fan producing extra noise.
5. You cannot put the Celeron + HD6770 GDDR5 in to this mini-iTX case
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That's an interesting point. Considering both Intel and AMD have been dedicating more and more die space to the on-die GPU you'd have to figure that you're not only wrong but that you don't know what you're talking about. If what you're saying were true we wouldn't have on-die GPUs capable of handling gaming but rather just video and basic 3D tasks, instead Ivy Bridge, Haswell and Sky Lake are all GPU-focused architectures. Furthermore, AMD's best-selling chips are actually it's APUs. In fact, they're AMD's best-selling chips ever. Kind of weird, no?
You should probably email Intel and let them know that they're wasting precious die space on a useless GPU that nobody will use. They could easily make their chips much smaller and increase their profit margins tremendously without that gaming-capable GPU. Or maybe we can continue to laugh at you as you ramble on nonsensically without a point or proof.
alexruiz
Platinum Member
So when you proven that your "mighty" machine is overmatched, then it is for programing and normal use... 🙄
If you don't have time time to play, why are you spam filling the forums with your fanatic retarded replies? Go do your "programming" work.
Blitzvogel
Platinum Member
The HD6770 GDDR-5 is faster, there is no question about that but,
1. Celeron + Discrete will have higher idle and perhaps load power consumption. Discrete will not completely shut down when idle.
2. Trinity have more features than Celeron + Discrete
3. You can CF Trinity with a Discrete GPU and have same or better performance for the same money as Celeron + Discrete.
4. Celeron + Discrete has one more hardware (GPU) prone to failure plus an extra Heat-sink fan producing extra noise.
5. You cannot put the Celeron + HD6770 GDDR5 in to this mini-iTX case
You can put a 7750 low profile in there if it's PSU is up to snuff.
MarkLuvsCS
Senior member
I'm looking forward to the trinity release. It's been a little while since there was something exciting coming out of the amd cpu camp. When it finally releases, I'd love to see how the GPU overclocks and how ram speed will affect 1080p gaming. A modestly overclocked GPU / RAM (1866/2133) could make for a nice quiet, tiny, portable, gaming system.
Nice small silverstone SB05 with 450w psu $130, 2x4gb samsung ~$40, trinity a10 $140, 128gb/256gb SSD ~$85/170. Only thing I'm really unaware of is what chipset required for AMD to have decent overclocking potential even if just for the GPU / RAM. I would probably check out Asrock since I've had a blast with their asrock extreme3.
Nice small silverstone SB05 with 450w psu $130, 2x4gb samsung ~$40, trinity a10 $140, 128gb/256gb SSD ~$85/170. Only thing I'm really unaware of is what chipset required for AMD to have decent overclocking potential even if just for the GPU / RAM. I would probably check out Asrock since I've had a blast with their asrock extreme3.
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LOL_Wut_Axel
Diamond Member
Except it wouldn't be because:
1. I'd have around half the performance I have now.
2. I've been enjoying this high performance for almost a year now.
3. The 2600K consumes next to no power: during encoding or compiling my whole system uses 125-135W. At idle, 70W.
4. The HD 7660D is a far, far cry from a GTX 460. Which I got 1 1/2 years ago for $160 and has an 850MHz factory clock speed, meaning the same performance as a stock GTX 470. It also uses a meager 15-20W on idle, so it doesn't affect me at all.
So really, it would be a huge step-down. And if you're talking about Llano, then that uses a socket that is already dead.
As far as the pricing of Trinity goes, the only reason AMD is giving you a $130 price for both a CPU and GPU is because the GPU is really only half-decent and the CPU only good in multi-threaded benchmarks. They tried to make a jack-of-all-trades but as with many it ends up being kinda meh, especially when looking at other options.
LOL_Wut_Axel
Diamond Member
I've never even mentioned at any time here my machine's main use is for gaming. What are you even talking about?
Stoneburner
Diamond Member
I've been running an old Athlon x2 plus a 5670 on a jetway minix 780 ITX board. I swapped out my noisy old case for a bitfenix prodigy. Anandtech's review wasn't kidding, the case is huge! however it has the size to fit in an EXTREMELY large heatsink. I stuck in a Sunbeam Core Contact freezer with a very low RPM fan.
With this case, a 65 watt Trinity should be great. Since FM2 will have the same retention mechanism, I'll just slap the Sunbeam on it.
With this case, a 65 watt Trinity should be great. Since FM2 will have the same retention mechanism, I'll just slap the Sunbeam on it.
frozentundra123456
Lifer
If you are using this for gaming, you would see very little improvement. Especially if it is DDR 5 the 5670 is probably faster than the trinity apu, especially a 65 watt one. There would be some advantages such as lower power/running cooler and better cpu performance however.
Gigantopithecus
Diamond Member
The CPU performance going from an Athlon X2 to a Trinity APU would be very substantial and very noticeable.
Stoneburner
Diamond Member
No, HTPC use only. Trinity should lower my power draw and it will help with certain video formats.
Skurge
Diamond Member
Anyone who thinks an Intel Dual Core is enough for modern games is insane. I have one and I can tell you it struggles to get past 40FPS in more demanding modern games. A Pentium or Celeron without HT will just be useless, BF3 stutters on anything without HT including the fastest Pentiums. The i3 and FX4100 do better cause of HT and CMT.
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