Trayvon Martin all over again.

[HumblePie]

It doesn't matter if Arbury was stealing or not because of the simple fact is that it's illegal to hunt someone down and kill them over a misdemeanor property crime.
Many years ago, in an old neighborhood I used to live in, some guy decided to do something about the teenage kids stealing change out of his unlocked beater pickup, so he waited up with his shotgun and shot one of the kids in the back while they were running away. The guy thought he would be a hero. Instead, he got life. And for good fucking reason. I don't see why this should be any different.

Wrong. It does matter. It legally matters. Most states allow for citizen's arrest under common law. Georgia doesn't stipulate that citizen's arrest can only occur as a direct witness of felony event. I was even wrong earlier when I made such a statement. It only provides extra protections in that event akin to stand your ground laws or castle doctrine laws in most states when dealing with self defense.

The issue now is if Travis had a reason to exit the vehicle to affect a citizen's arrest. I still think he didn't, and thus was negligent in doing so. Which is a negligent homicide.

As for your story, that has nothing to do with this one at all. The guy was premeditating setting up a trap to seriously injure or hurt someone. It goes back to why it is illegal for shop keepers to shoot someone for stealing a candy bar in the back as they are fleeing. To shoot someone fleeing, the person that committed a crime has to have committed a felony offense. Fleeing though is not what Arbery was doing. He actively attacked first before the first shot was fired. So it isn't even close to a good comparison at all.

 

[Paratus]

Is it possible that this young man was on the run from a property crime? The father and son were waiting for him because they had surveillance video of him trespassing many times. The dash cam video was not a dash camera but a hand held cell phone by one of the property crime victims. Why was he filming a runner? Things didn't go according to plan because the young man was shot and killed. Then everybody's story changed. The mother of the deceased said her son was on a cross country run. Was he wearing running shoes? Did he often go out for run? Or is everybody lying?

Well this certainly...is a post. But seriously

https://imgur.com/Op0e2hp

 

[pauldun170]

Sad state affairs in a lot of departments, not just his

For example, the records indicate McMichael completed only one training course in the use of de-escalation tactics, but completed four courses devoted to “understanding Islamist terrorism” and another on “introduction to terrorism”.

‘A great embarrassment’: records offer insight into Ahmaud Arbery suspect

Gregory McMichael lost his power of arrest in 2006 after failing to complete sufficient basic law enforcement training

www.theguardian.com

 

[HomerJS]

Is it possible that this young man was on the run from a property crime? The father and son were waiting for him because they had surveillance video of him trespassing many times. The dash cam video was not a dash camera but a hand held cell phone by one of the property crime victims. Why was he filming a runner? Things didn't go according to plan because the young man was shot and killed. Then everybody's story changed. The mother of the deceased said her son was on a cross country run. Was he wearing running shoes? Did he often go out for run? Or is everybody lying?

You keep bring up possibilities where there is no evidence.

He was jogging not running. He often jogged in that area.

Now watch me play your game, is it possible two white boys just wanted to kill themselves a darkie that day?

Everybody's story changed? What about the police lying to the mother about the circumstances of her son's death?

 

[HurleyBird]

It doesn't matter if Arbury was stealing or not because of the simple fact is that it's illegal to hunt someone down and kill them over a misdemeanor property crime.

Wrong. It does matter. It legally matters. Most states allow for citizen's arrest under common law. Georgia doesn't stipulate that citizen's arrest can only occur as a direct witness of felony event.

In Georgia, in order to perform a citizen's arrest you need to be a witness to, or have immediate knowledge of a misdemeanour. The threshold for Felony is less strict in that if a subject appears to be attempting escape, you only need probable grounds of suspicion.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Is it possible that this young man was on the run from a property crime? The father and son were waiting for him because they had surveillance video of him trespassing many times. The dash cam video was not a dash camera but a hand held cell phone by one of the property crime victims. Why was he filming a runner? Things didn't go according to plan because the young man was shot and killed. Then everybody's story changed. The mother of the deceased said her son was on a cross country run. Was he wearing running shoes? Did he often go out for run? Or is everybody lying?

AlwYs sticking up for your white brothers... even when they are wrong!This is one topic where you need togoback and read the whole thread before asking reek ous and blatantly one sided questions that has nothing todo with the mnownfacts! You should join the bite supremacistpicketpine and chant justice for the white guys!!

 

[Hans Gruber]

AlwYs sticking up for your white brothers... even when they are wrong!This is one topic where you need togoback and read the whole thread before asking reek ous and blatantly one sided questions that has nothing todo with the mnownfacts! You should join the bite supremacistpicketpine and chant justice for the white guys!!

Totally wrong. I was watching Chris Cuomo on his CNN show. He had the guy who video taped the incident. That guys attorney would not allow him to answer any questions. The media has a lot more information than we the general public know of. It was as if they were talking openly about the information they had without certainty. All this with the viewers watching their discussion. Normally the media packages and frames the narrative based upon their political stance.

I didn't waste my time reading the entire thread because there are facts that nobody knew that have been addressed by the mainstream media. Maybe you guys should watch the news from time to time. Most people assume that the video was a dash camera. In reality it was a phone camera. Why would someone be filming someone running down the road? That is the question Cuomo asked the attorney of the man who shot the video.

The mother of the deceased wanted the driver who filmed the shooting arrested for murder as well. The driver who taped the shooting claims he didn't know the father and son in the truck.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Totally wrong. I was watching Chris Cuomo on his CNN show. He had the guy who video taped the incident. That guys attorney would not allow him to answer any questions. The media has a lot more information than we the general public know of. It was as if they were talking openly about the information they had without certainty. All this with the viewers watching their discussion. Normally the media packages and frames the narrative based upon their political stance.

I didn't waste my time reading the entire thread because there are facts that nobody knew that have been addressed by the mainstream media. Maybe you guys should watch the news from time to time. Most people assume that the video was a dash camera. In reality it was a phone camera. Why would someone be filming someone running down the road? That is the question Cuomo asked the attorney of the man who shot the video.

The mother of the deceased wanted the driver who filmed the shooting arrested for murder as well. The driver who taped the shooting claims he didn't know the father and son in the truck.

So you admit your questions should not have been asked, because those questions bordered on spreading misinformation! Thank you!

 

[BUTCH1]

Is it possible that this young man was on the run from a property crime? The father and son were waiting for him because they had surveillance video of him trespassing many times. The dash cam video was not a dash camera but a hand held cell phone by one of the property crime victims. Why was he filming a runner? Things didn't go according to plan because the young man was shot and killed. Then everybody's story changed. The mother of the deceased said her son was on a cross country run. Was he wearing running shoes? Did he often go out for run? Or is everybody lying?

how would they have had access to other people's footage?, all 2nd hand knowledge apparently, and there had been no thefts or break-in's reported to police going back to Jan 1. Makes zero difference weather he was legit jogging or was in fact casing out the empty house, he stole nothing or damaged nothing, OMG! a young black trespassing and acting suspicious!, grab the guns and head out to the truck!.

 

[HumblePie]

how would they have had access to other people's footage?, all 2nd hand knowledge apparently, and there had been no thefts or break-in's reported to police going back to Jan 1. Makes zero difference weather he was legit jogging or was in fact casing out the empty house, he stole nothing or damaged nothing, OMG! a young black trespassing and acting suspicious!, grab the guns and head out to the truck!.

To be fair, there were thefts/burglaries in the area. People claimed there wasn't earlier in this thread, but that isn't true. The shooting incident took place in Feb and there were four reported thefts at the beginning of Jan and more before that. If he was the person stealing before, he didn't steal anything at that time. That is where the crux of the case is going to come down for the bigger charges. Which I don't think will stick at all.

 

[pauldun170]

To be fair, there were robberies in the area. People claimed there wasn't earlier in this thread, but that isn't true. The shooting incident took place in Feb and there were four reported thefts at the beginning of Jan and more before that. If he was the person stealing before, he didn't steal anything at that time. That is where the crux of the case is going to come down for the bigger charges. Which I don't think will stick at all.

List every reported theft in January
Glynn County Police Lt. Cheri Bashlor would be interested in these because according to his records, the only theft was some dumbass left his gun in an unlocked car on January 1 and it got stolen.

 

[JEDIYoda]

To be fair, there were robberies in the area. People claimed there wasn't earlier in this thread, but that isn't true. The shooting incident took place in Feb and there were four reported thefts at the beginning of Jan and more before that. If he was the person stealing before, he didn't steal anything at that time. That is where the crux of the case is going to come down for the bigger charges. Which I don't think will stick at all.

You are not being truthful ! You need to link where you read about the amount of thefts
Plus what happenned on that property IN that area in the past has no bearring in this case at all
He took nothing !! There is no proof that he stole anything From this property
Also these assassins had no all right to even approach this individual!
You cannot make a citizens arrest based on the guys color
According to the newspapers In Goergia a person needs to vomit a felony in order to make a citizens arrest!
It does not matter if he was the person stealing! On that night he stole nothing!

 

[soundforbjt]

List every reported theft in January
Glynn County Police Lt. Cheri Bashlor would be interested in these because according to his records, the only theft was some dumbass left his gun in an unlocked car on January 1 and it got stolen.

And that dumbass was the shooter.

 

[Hans Gruber]

how would they have had access to other people's footage?, all 2nd hand knowledge apparently, and there had been no thefts or break-in's reported to police going back to Jan 1. Makes zero difference weather he was legit jogging or was in fact casing out the empty house, he stole nothing or damaged nothing, OMG! a young black trespassing and acting suspicious!, grab the guns and head out to the truck!.

I did not express an opinion good, bad or otherwise. I simply posted the Cuomo interview after I made a statement after watching the Cuomo interview. A bunch of people in this thread jumped all over me.

 

[amenx]

‘A great embarrassment’: records offer insight into Ahmaud Arbery suspect

Gregory McMichael lost his power of arrest in 2006 after failing to complete sufficient basic law enforcement training

www.theguardian.com

In P&N, each post of yours must also contain written commentary in your own words.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[darkswordsman17]

I did not express an opinion good, bad or otherwise. I simply posted the Cuomo interview after I made a statement after watching the Cuomo interview. A bunch of people in this thread jumped all over me.

So, you were "just asking questions"? Eat a bag of dicks you dishonest fuck. That or you're apparently too stupid to know what an opinion is? You posted your own personal speculation including absolutely opinions of your own. Just because you based them on something doesn't make them not your opinion. If you didn't think they had merit you wouldn't have fucking posted it using qualifiers that absolutely shows so you clearly were looking to believe that narrative. You would have posted the video and said, "here's a a new aspect to this" and let the video speak for itself. And then your nonsensical babble about the media that was nothing but just your opinion. You know the one where you claimed that you "simply posted the Cuomo interview" despite adding a whole bunch of your own opinion. But you did not express an opinion?

Did Hans Gruber orchestrate the murder of this man because he's a racist? I don't know I'm just asking questions. Its awfully convenient that you have all this information! Sounds like something that someone that orchestrates a murder might know. Don't get mad at me, I'm just asking questions!

 

[darkswordsman17]

‘A great embarrassment’: records offer insight into Ahmaud Arbery suspect

Gregory McMichael lost his power of arrest in 2006 after failing to complete sufficient basic law enforcement training

www.theguardian.com

You need to add your own commentary.

But that's one of the really troubling aspects of situations like this. If it weren't for the incompetency, this likely never gets blown up and exposed, meaning there's likely situations like this that happen, where they get off totally free because they made sure to cover their asses, and no one's the wiser. Which is exactly what black people (and other minority groups) had been telling us for decades only for us to go "where's the proof?" Now we're starting to see it, but the fact is, there's a lot that is still going unseen.

And they'll get off of hate crime charges because there'll probably be no way to prove they acted maliciously due to overt racism and then white knights like HumblePee will go around declaring how it wasn't racist and racism barely exists and its actually totally white people that experience it worse than anyone.

 

[darkswordsman17]

List every reported theft in January
Glynn County Police Lt. Cheri Bashlor would be interested in these because according to his records, the only theft was some dumbass left his gun in an unlocked car on January 1 and it got stolen.

Which, based on their actions, seems like we should maybe be speculating if the gun was even stolen or he just sold it on the black market, like maybe he sold it to someone Joe Exotic hired to kill the one woman? These are important questions and I don't think we're doing justice until we demand answers to them! #rightwingdumbassquestions

 

[HumblePie]

List every reported theft in January
Glynn County Police Lt. Cheri Bashlor would be interested in these because according to his records, the only theft was some dumbass left his gun in an unlocked car on January 1 and it got stolen.

He shows on screen the records reported. I haven't bothered tracking them down like he did.

Tracked down one thing that has some records tacked on they linked as incidents to this case.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

G19-62302
G19-67433
G20-00093
G20-08656

Two at the end of December, one at the beginning of January, and the one that day. You'd have to pull up more of the records for the area to see if there were others, but at least those 4 were linked in this case by the police.

 

[pauldun170]

He shows on screen the records reported. I haven't bothered tracking them down like he did.

Tracked down one thing that has some records tacked on they linked as incidents to this case.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

G19-62302
G19-67433
G20-00093
G20-08656

Two at the end of December, one at the beginning of January, and the one that day. You'd have to pull up more of the records for the area to see if there were others, but at least those 4 were linked in this case by the police.

In other words, you have no idea what you are reading.
You are scouring the internet for fellow jackasses to post things that appear to support your fucked up beliefs.
This thread has been dominated by your nonsense and I can't believe I got sucked into revisiting some of your posts.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I did not express an opinion good, bad or otherwise. I simply posted the Cuomo interview after I made a statement after watching the Cuomo interview. A bunch of people in this thread jumped all over me.

And rightly so! The Cuomo interview never once cast any doubt that the assassins were not guilty nor did it raise any means by which the assassins might get off or that the assassins acted according to the law!
Throughout this whole ordeal Cuomo has been 100% in support of the assassinated individuals family!!
Of course you also never pointed that out! It is what you never said that is beating the crap out of you!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

He shows on screen the records reported. I haven't bothered tracking them down like he did.

Tracked down one thing that has some records tacked on they linked as incidents to this case.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

G19-62302
G19-67433
G20-00093
G20-08656

Two at the end of December, one at the beginning of January, and the one that day. You'd have to pull up more of the records for the area to see if there were others, but at least those 4 were linked in this case by the police.

What do these cases have that support or justify the actions of the 2 assassins??

 

[pauldun170]

What do these cases have that support or justify the actions of the 2 assassins??

In case you missed his initial post

HIS exact words

To be fair, there were robberies in the area.
People claimed there wasn't earlier in this thread, but that isn't true.

The shooting incident took place in Feb and there were four reported thefts at the beginning of Jan and more before that.

Humblepie claimed there were Robberies in the area

For reference, the definition of robbery

2010 Georgia Code
TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 8 - OFFENSES INVOLVING THEFT
ARTICLE 2 - ROBBERY
§ 16-8-40 - Robbery
O.C.G.A. 16-8-40 (2010)
16-8-40. Robbery


(a) A person commits the offense of robbery when, with intent to commit theft, he takes property of another from the person or the immediate presence of another:

(1) By use of force;

(2) By intimidation, by the use of threat or coercion, or by placing such person in fear of immediate serious bodily injury to himself or to another; or

(3) By sudden snatching.

(b) A person convicted of the offense of robbery shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than 20 years.

(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this Code section, any person who commits the offense of robbery against a person who is 65 years of age or older shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by imprisonment for not less than five nor more than 20 years.

He then claimed there were 4 thefts at the beginning of January implying that he knows more than the police department.

 

[woolfe9998]

He shows on screen the records reported. I haven't bothered tracking them down like he did.

Tracked down one thing that has some records tacked on they linked as incidents to this case.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6915-arbery-shooting/b52fa09cdc974b970b79/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

G19-62302
G19-67433
G20-00093
G20-08656

Two at the end of December, one at the beginning of January, and the one that day. You'd have to pull up more of the records for the area to see if there were others, but at least those 4 were linked in this case by the police.

Watched that entire video. The guy is pretty good with the facts. But I will disagree with him on a couple of points. He implied that Arbury going on to the construction site "might" have been a B&E, but doesn't address Georgia's B&E statute. Unauthorized entry onto property is not enough. There must be an intent to commit theft or a felony. That cannot be proven, as Arbury is not shown stealing anything on those videos. Nor were thefts reported from that construction site. This was trespass, a misdemeanor. Given that his legal analysis of citizen's arrest law is pretty good here, he should have gotten that right.

The second point is his certainty that this was not motivated by racism. I agree that these guys suspected him of a crime. But what they knew about was him committing a trespass a few times. Under those circumstances, grabbing shotguns, getting into the back of a pickup truck, chasing him down, getting out of the truck and brandishing the firearms was a rather extreme reaction. It's not like they didn't have other options. Why such an extreme reaction? I mean seriously, who does that when all they've seen is a simple trespass? Was their choice of how to respond to this trespass motivated by Arbery's race? Might very well be. It's difficult to explain it otherwise.

I agree this was not a premeditated murder because they just wanted to kill a black guy. I disagree that we can rule out racism as motivation for their behavior. The subtle fallacy in his reasoning is a false dilemma that either they set out to kill him solely because he was black or they aren't racist. It's nonsense.

He's right that the father might get off here if the underlying felony of assault is not proven. We'll see how that pans out.

 

[JEDIYoda]

In case you missed his initial post

HIS exact words


Humblepie claimed there were Robberies in the area

For reference, the definition of robbery



He then claimed there were 4 thefts at the beginning of January implying that he knows more than the police department.

ohI know what he said!! But in his case it is what he is not saying that leads to the conclusion that he believes the assassins were justified in there behavior!
Which IMO only a deviant or racist would believe those 2 assassins were justified in the killing!!