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HomerJS

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Personally, I haven't seen anyone in this forum try to pretend like there's no racism towards whites, Latinos, Asians, Africans, middle easy persons, etc..
They haven't. I haven't seen it nor have I ever done it. Humble makes the same mistakes by trying to #bothsides racism.

I made a challenge starting back during the Obama v McCain campaign nobody has been able to refute. I used it to dispel the #bothsides myth.

Many white Republicans either made racist statements or send out racist literature or made disparaging racist comments about Obama.

I said, "Can you name one prominent black Democrat that disparaged John McCain solely on the basis of being white? I have not gotten an answer to that in now 12 years.
 

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They haven't. I haven't seen it nor have I ever done it. Humble makes the same mistakes by trying to #bothsides racism.

I made a challenge starting back during the Obama v McCain campaign nobody has been able to refute. I used it to dispel the #bothsides myth.

Many white Republicans either made racist statements or send out racist literature or made disparaging racist comments about Obama.

I said, "Can you name one prominent black Democrat that disparaged John McCain solely on the basis of being white? I have not gotten an answer to that in now 12 years.

This will be largely ignored by republicans. They simply deny, burying their heads in the sand, and go on with their racially charged rhetoric while calling you the racist for pointing it out. They think they're clever, well they're clever enough to fool themselves.
 
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HumblePie

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Personally, I haven't seen anyone in this forum try to pretend like there's no racism towards whites, Latinos, Asians, Africans, middle easy persons, etc..

They haven't. I haven't seen it nor have I ever done it. Humble makes the same mistakes by trying to #bothsides racism.

Really going with this?

This thread:
Vic - "Due process isn't for everyone it seems. " implies that only white people get due process and blacks don't ever. That no white person has ever gotten rail roaded or screwed over by the legal system.

BUTCH1 - "Are you going to insult us by claiming that if these two guys saw a WHITE jogger in Trump-land they'd be grabbing guns and jumping in the truck to track him down?" The implication that white people don't citizen's arrest other white people or white people don't shoot white people. Only "Trump-land" whites do this to blacks.

ch33zw1z - a bunch of posts but here is one "White perps? Let's not jump to conclusions!!! Minority perps? Obviously guilty!! it's just how they behave!!" basically stating that white suspects of crime always get the benefit of the doubt and minorities never get it.

esquared - "A white man in America with white privilege cannot, ever, know more about racism than an African American." This comment is text book statement against what you are claiming. Literally stating that a white man like myself cannot know racism because it doesn't happen to me.



I can go into other threads about racially charged topics and there are several posters of people posting along the same lines of either direct or indirect comments that things like this NEVER happen to white people and ALWAYS happen to minorities. It is not true at all.

Even when one posts examples like I did above, there is a slew of replies dismissing or belittling it.
 

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Really going with this?

This thread:
Vic - "Due process isn't for everyone it seems. " implies that only white people get due process and blacks don't ever. That no white person has ever gotten rail roaded or screwed over by the legal system.

BUTCH1 - "Are you going to insult us by claiming that if these two guys saw a WHITE jogger in Trump-land they'd be grabbing guns and jumping in the truck to track him down?" The implication that white people don't citizen's arrest other white people or white people don't shoot white people. Only "Trump-land" whites do this to blacks.

ch33zw1z - a bunch of posts but here is one "White perps? Let's not jump to conclusions!!! Minority perps? Obviously guilty!! it's just how they behave!!" basically stating that white suspects of crime always get the benefit of the doubt and minorities never get it.

esquared - "A white man in America with white privilege cannot, ever, know more about racism than an African American." This comment is text book statement against what you are claiming. Literally stating that a white man like myself cannot know racism because it doesn't happen to me.



I can go into other threads about racially charged topics and there are several posters of people posting along the same lines of either direct or indirect comments that things like this NEVER happen to white people and ALWAYS happen to minorities. It is not true at all.

Even when one posts examples like I did above, there is a slew of replies dismissing or belittling it.

#dealwithit.

I rarely use the words always or never, less and less as I age. Systemic racism is alive and well.
 

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For those thinking, and in some cases saying, that this doesn't happen the other way...


Just as bad, just as tragic, and racially motivated. I am not posting this to take away from the OP story. I am posting this so people can keep perspective that race issues are not one sided.
Who the fuck said it was one sided. Creep.
 

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Who the fuck said it was one sided. Creep.

Pretty common tactic to pick individual cases for #bothsides stuff. However, the overall numbers tell the real story.

Another example is when conservatives try to use single instances of domestic terrorism to try to claim events happen in equal cases, when the overall numbers show that conservatives commit domestic terrorism at a 2:1 rate. That's not taking into account overall impact
 
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#dealwithit.

I rarely use the words always or never, less and less as I age. Systemic racism is alive and well.

I was just pointing out where they were wrong. That is your personal view and I hope logic will change it, but I doubt it will in all cases. Definitely probably won't in your case personally. But if you want to view racism everywhere and not think it happens in reverse is sad in my opinion.
 

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Pretty common tactic to pick individual cases for #bothsides stuff. However, the overall numbers tell the real story

Overall numbers? You mean the almost 600,000ish average violent crime cases of black on white crime versus the 60,000ish cases of the reverse each year? Those overall numbers?
 

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I was just pointing out where they were wrong. That is your personal view and I hope logic will change it, but I doubt it will in all cases. Definitely probably won't in your case personally. But if you want to view racism everywhere and not think it happens in reverse is sad in my opinion.

This is your assumptions talking. Unlike you, I read quite a of information from multiple sources WRT the OP before posting. Logic certainly wasn't your initial go to here.

I see racism where it exists, your feels tho.
 

ch33zw1z

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Overall numbers? You mean the almost 600,000ish average violent crime cases of black on white crime versus the 60,000ish cases of the reverse each year? Those overall numbers?

If you wish to discuss those things, then start a thread. Fine by me. There's quite a few variables that would be in play. And obviously, you're not implying that these are all racism related, correct?

I hope you understand that the numbers you're looking at are also a result of our country's long history of systemic racism. Where minorities are subject to a disparity in the justice system. This is well documented, denial would be a symptom of white privilege.
 

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My perspective: there are a lot of issues with @HumblePie 's contributions in this thread which lead down a danger of invalidating real racism. I'm not sure what he feels or what's motivating his posting. It's absolutely right to point out those issues and A-Ok to disagree and say what is wrong with his position.

But he's being bullied here. That isn't right. That isn't a platform to actually make progress in our racial divisions. The only way that works is if we all push ourselves to be at least a little bit more uncomfortable with what we're bringing to the table and respect each other for doing that even when we detest the positions they take.
 
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Really going with this?

This thread:
Vic - "Due process isn't for everyone it seems. " implies that only white people get due process and blacks don't ever. That no white person has ever gotten rail roaded or screwed over by the legal system.

BUTCH1 - "Are you going to insult us by claiming that if these two guys saw a WHITE jogger in Trump-land they'd be grabbing guns and jumping in the truck to track him down?" The implication that white people don't citizen's arrest other white people or white people don't shoot white people. Only "Trump-land" whites do this to blacks.

ch33zw1z - a bunch of posts but here is one "White perps? Let's not jump to conclusions!!! Minority perps? Obviously guilty!! it's just how they behave!!" basically stating that white suspects of crime always get the benefit of the doubt and minorities never get it.

esquared - "A white man in America with white privilege cannot, ever, know more about racism than an African American." This comment is text book statement against what you are claiming. Literally stating that a white man like myself cannot know racism because it doesn't happen to me.



I can go into other threads about racially charged topics and there are several posters of people posting along the same lines of either direct or indirect comments that things like this NEVER happen to white people and ALWAYS happen to minorities. It is not true at all.

Even when one posts examples like I did above, there is a slew of replies dismissing or belittling it.
Pointing out the fact the results would change if the race of the actors is switched is not denying blacks can't commit racism against whites. However for the most part in this country blacks are on the receiving end of racism. Systemic and systematic.

 

ch33zw1z

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Pointing out the fact the results would change if the race of the actors is switched is not denying blacks can't commit racism against whites. However for the most part in this country blacks are on the receiving end of racism. Systemic and systematic.


I would love to say I'm shocked we're still having this conservation, but I'm not.

Here ya go: https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2018/topic-pages/incidents-and-offenses


It seems that anti-black instances happens 2.5x more than anti-white, I'm not digging for the offenders ethnic background.
 

HomerJS

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Pretty common tactic to pick individual cases for #bothsides stuff. However, the overall numbers tell the real story.

Another example is when conservatives try to use single instances of domestic terrorism to try to claim events happen in equal cases, when the overall numbers show that conservatives commit domestic terrorism at a 2:1 rate. That's not taking into account overall impact
Or use single instances of voter fraud and extrapolate to a widespread problem that requires disenfranchising an entire group of people.
 

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Dude just stop. Seriously. There is a fucking difference between having a random night of sex with someone outside your race versus raising a fucking family and marrying them. I can't believe you can't see the difference. Get over yourself.
Okat
Y! So what is the difference in your enlightened way of thinking?
 

HumblePie

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My perspective: there are a lot of issues with @HumblePie 's contributions in this thread which lead down a danger of invalidating real racism. I'm not sure what he feels or what's motivating his posting. It's absolutely right to point out those issues and A-Ok to disagree and say what is wrong with his position.

But he's being bullied here. That isn't right. That isn't a platform to actually make progress in our racial divisions. The only way that works is if we all push ourselves to be at least a little bit more uncomfortable with what we're bringing to the table and respect each other for doing that even when we detest the positions they take.

If you go back to my posts in any thread. I never once make any statement that isn't a fact without stating which portions are my opinion on the matter. I give usually line items for those opinions so they could be understood. I never attack anyone first and never do ad hominen attacks since the rules change. Unfortunately, that isn't the way the majority of the posters on these boards are. If any person makes a statement they don't like it is attack, attack, attack. Every single time. It's practically why forums like this are descending into one sided group of people with one view. A person may be moderate, right, or even left, but if you oppose any of the views listed here you might as well be right wing racist nut to be cast out. Any site that isn't NYT, NYPost, WaPo, MSN, Vox, Axois and other far left leaning news sites is deemed not valid news regardless unless it comes from there by many posters in this forum and others like it. Makes these places into echo chambers.

I basically saw it happening and left for a long time. Only reason I come back is when I have to buy or sell computer parts. I see an interesting topic and think, "Maybe there will be something other than super partisan hackery nutjobs this time? Maybe if I just cite my sources and coherently post my opinion on the matter that someone else will reply in kind?" I am disappointed every time. I saw the new forum rules and thought maybe people will have mellowed out some instead of just name calling and bullying with every thread. Doesn't seem to have worked. There is a reason why /WorldPolitics on Reddit is nothing but animetits and potato pictures and /AnimeTits is now nothing but world politics with people trying to actually moderate this kind of behavior out.
 

HumblePie

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Okat
Y! So what is the difference in your enlightened way of thinking?

If I need to explain it, you'll never understand. If you can't rationally think why someone that marries outside their race for love can't be racist then no one can explain it to you. It's one of those things you either figure out for yourself or wallow in ignorance.
 
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Pointing out the fact the results would change if the race of the actors is switched is not denying blacks can't commit racism against whites. However for the most part in this country blacks are on the receiving end of racism. Systemic and systematic.


If you are trying to talk about the paradigm of police and black encounters being racist prima facia, that is something that will take a moment to unwind. Police have more encounters with black people per year for a very long time. It had actually gone down significantly in the 70's to only spike and stay high in the 80s if memory of the stats I once looked up holds true. The problem is that there 13% of the US population, around 40-44 million people, are black in this country but commit 50% of the murders. More if you count homicides. News sites will just point out that 76% of police encounters are with black people who make up 13% of the population so it must be racism, but that story isn't the full story. Which means that conclusion is wrong. I am not saying there aren't racist cops and racist encounters out there, but there is a problem with certain areas of the country and black communities in those areas. It is not a problem everywhere, because outside those areas, you'll find that police encounters tend to match the demographics. Areas I am talking about are heavily gang controller urban areas. This is where the vast majority of police encounters in this nation happen. Especially homicides and murders. A racist would look at that and say black people just have a propensity for it, and that is what makes them racist. It has nothing to do with that. There are many a paper, journal, and research project into this dynamic as to why this has happened, and there are a ton of variables to deal with. None of them are causation, but I think the sum of the issues has led to the current situation. Everyone wants an easy answer though and racism is easy. Either by applying racist labels, like it just what black people are, or responding that it is the result of only racism from whites that has put these communities where they are.

Here is a decent article about this topic.

Basically this article, like many that have done this research, have stated that the number one predictor of someone growing up to be a violent criminal is a single/no parent household. It is the same statistically correlation across all races, all socioeconomic levels, all ages, all sexes, and darn near all countries. Those areas of the countries with the highest crimes rates also have the highest concentrations of single/no households. Until that changes in those communities, I doubt there will be significant changes to other criminal stats.

Just automatically assigning racism as the answer though is a cop-out for an easy answer. It solves nothing. This country is far less racist today than any other country on the planet or any country in history. Race baiters though want to have you looking at every instance of wrong done to you has being something that was racially derived. Either directly or systemically. It makes people angry and afraid. People afraid and angry are easy to control. Fear and sex sells for a reason, ask any marketing firm. Baser human emotions are easy to exploit.

I am pretty sure though the usual gang of posters will come after my post and ask me again something stupid like is the KKK giving me a paycheck, or how I have too much white privilege to even understand racism, or something else along those lines. They rather spout epithets than have an actual discussion.
 

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If I need to explain it, you'll never understand. If you can't rationally think why someone that marries outside their race for love can't be racist then no one can explain it to you. It's one of those things you either figure out for yourself or wallow in ignorance.
Are you saying that someone who marries outside their race cannot be racist?
 

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If you are trying to talk about the paradigm of police and black encounters being racist prima facia, that is something that will take a moment to unwind. Police have more encounters with black people per year for a very long time. It had actually gone down significantly in the 70's to only spike and stay high in the 80s if memory of the stats I once looked up holds true. The problem is that there 13% of the US population, around 40-44 million people, are black in this country but commit 50% of the murders. More if you count homicides. News sites will just point out that 76% of police encounters are with black people who make up 13% of the population so it must be racism, but that story isn't the full story. Which means that conclusion is wrong. I am not saying there aren't racist cops and racist encounters out there, but there is a problem with certain areas of the country and black communities in those areas. It is not a problem everywhere, because outside those areas, you'll find that police encounters tend to match the demographics. Areas I am talking about are heavily gang controller urban areas. This is where the vast majority of police encounters in this nation happen. Especially homicides and murders. A racist would look at that and say black people just have a propensity for it, and that is what makes them racist. It has nothing to do with that. There are many a paper, journal, and research project into this dynamic as to why this has happened, and there are a ton of variables to deal with. None of them are causation, but I think the sum of the issues has led to the current situation. Everyone wants an easy answer though and racism is easy. Either by applying racist labels, like it just what black people are, or responding that it is the result of only racism from whites that has put these communities where they are.

Here is a decent article about this topic.

Basically this article, like many that have done this research, have stated that the number one predictor of someone growing up to be a violent criminal is a single/no parent household. It is the same statistically correlation across all races, all socioeconomic levels, all ages, all sexes, and darn near all countries. Those areas of the countries with the highest crimes rates also have the highest concentrations of single/no households. Until that changes in those communities, I doubt there will be significant changes to other criminal stats.

Just automatically assigning racism as the answer though is a cop-out for an easy answer. It solves nothing. This country is far less racist today than any other country on the planet or any country in history. Race baiters though want to have you looking at every instance of wrong done to you has being something that was racially derived. Either directly or systemically. It makes people angry and afraid. People afraid and angry are easy to control. Fear and sex sells for a reason, ask any marketing firm. Baser human emotions are easy to exploit.

I am pretty sure though the usual gang of posters will come after my post and ask me again something stupid like is the KKK giving me a paycheck, or how I have too much white privilege to even understand racism, or something else along those lines. They rather spout epithets than have an actual discussion.
Systemic racism has produced a level of poverty among blacks, and de facto segregation has reinforced it, to the point that these numbers are nearly impossible to disentangle. The crime is directly tied to the poverty and repression, and fewer black people would be dead were it not for institutional racism.

Also, when the first thing I see on the link you provide to the National Review is "Obamagate Is Not a Conspiracy Theory", that's an issue. Not because Obama's admin is free of fault, but because the front page of the site is filled with anti-moderate, anti-left, pro-Trump-talking-point preaching-to-the-choir headlines:

- Implying NYC is at fault for the pandemic.
- A hit piece on the Cuomo brothers.
- Why states can't restrict rights during a pandemic (is this targeted at those states that won't reopen, mostly blue states?).
- "Who Gets Bailed Out Next?" - implying that injecting the economy with cash and saving businesses/people from bankruptcy is bad?
- A piece trying to cry about the plight of those who AREN'T unemployed.
- A hit piece on Clinton, W, and Obama

It's hard to believe that their research on the topic would be unbiased.
 
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If you are trying to talk about the paradigm of police and black encounters being racist prima facia, that is something that will take a moment to unwind. Police have more encounters with black people per year for a very long time. It had actually gone down significantly in the 70's to only spike and stay high in the 80s if memory of the stats I once looked up holds true. The problem is that there 13% of the US population, around 40-44 million people, are black in this country but commit 50% of the murders. More if you count homicides. News sites will just point out that 76% of police encounters are with black people who make up 13% of the population so it must be racism, but that story isn't the full story. Which means that conclusion is wrong. I am not saying there aren't racist cops and racist encounters out there, but there is a problem with certain areas of the country and black communities in those areas. It is not a problem everywhere, because outside those areas, you'll find that police encounters tend to match the demographics. Areas I am talking about are heavily gang controller urban areas. This is where the vast majority of police encounters in this nation happen. Especially homicides and murders. A racist would look at that and say black people just have a propensity for it, and that is what makes them racist. It has nothing to do with that. There are many a paper, journal, and research project into this dynamic as to why this has happened, and there are a ton of variables to deal with. None of them are causation, but I think the sum of the issues has led to the current situation. Everyone wants an easy answer though and racism is easy. Either by applying racist labels, like it just what black people are, or responding that it is the result of only racism from whites that has put these communities where they are.

Here is a decent article about this topic.

Basically this article, like many that have done this research, have stated that the number one predictor of someone growing up to be a violent criminal is a single/no parent household. It is the same statistically correlation across all races, all socioeconomic levels, all ages, all sexes, and darn near all countries. Those areas of the countries with the highest crimes rates also have the highest concentrations of single/no households. Until that changes in those communities, I doubt there will be significant changes to other criminal stats.

Just automatically assigning racism as the answer though is a cop-out for an easy answer. It solves nothing. This country is far less racist today than any other country on the planet or any country in history. Race baiters though want to have you looking at every instance of wrong done to you has being something that was racially derived. Either directly or systemically. It makes people angry and afraid. People afraid and angry are easy to control. Fear and sex sells for a reason, ask any marketing firm. Baser human emotions are easy to exploit.

I am pretty sure though the usual gang of posters will come after my post and ask me again something stupid like is the KKK giving me a paycheck, or how I have too much white privilege to even understand racism, or something else along those lines. They rather spout epithets than have an actual discussion.
Maybe find another source then the National Review. I already know their stance racism went away when Obama was elected. Also what @amrnuke said
 

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My perspective: there are a lot of issues with @HumblePie 's contributions in this thread which lead down a danger of invalidating real racism. I'm not sure what he feels or what's motivating his posting. It's absolutely right to point out those issues and A-Ok to disagree and say what is wrong with his position.

But he's being bullied here. That isn't right. That isn't a platform to actually make progress in our racial divisions. The only way that works is if we all push ourselves to be at least a little bit more uncomfortable with what we're bringing to the table and respect each other for doing that even when we detest the positions they take.
Maybe we libruhls are tired of lying down and catering to the yahoos and the racists, along the lines of " A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel."

That sort of accommodation is one-sided and certainly hasn't worked well so far.

Have you noted who's President these days?
 

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Systemic racism has produced a level of poverty among blacks, and de facto segregation has reinforced it, to the point that these numbers are nearly impossible to disentangle. The crime is directly tied to the poverty and repression, and fewer black people would be dead were it not for institutional racism.
Poverty is not a high an indicator of confrontations with police. Poverty in certain areas, but not poverty in general. Also, other minority groups that were just as racially impugned in this country at the same time and at the same poverty levels have never had the same problems with crime in their communities. Asians, Hispanics (until recently), Native Americans, and others. Many said minorities had the same "starting line" of poverty problems at the same time at the start of the Civil Rights Movement. There was systemic racism inherent in the system at that point. Direct laws that were racist at the time. Name me one law today in America that is racist at its root?

So how is it that other minority group communities, and many black communities didn't run into the issues of broken homes and crime like other black communities starting from the 80s? Claiming systemic racism is reaching for an easy answer. Need to look for why some black communities flourished and others didn't.

I am not saying there isn't spots of government today where people in the legal system aren't racist. There certainly are and they come to light on occasion.

Also, when the first thing I see on the link you provide to the National Review is "Obamagate Is Not a Conspiracy Theory", that's an issue. Not because Obama's admin is free of fault, but because the front page of the site is filled with anti-moderate, anti-left, pro-Trump-talking-point preaching-to-the-choir headlines:

- Implying NYC is at fault for the pandemic.
- A hit piece on the Cuomo brothers.
- Why states can't restrict rights during a pandemic (is this targeted at those states that won't reopen, mostly blue states?).
- "Who Gets Bailed Out Next?" - implying that injecting the economy with cash and saving businesses/people from bankruptcy is bad?
- A piece trying to cry about the plight of those who AREN'T unemployed.
- A hit piece on Clinton, W, and Obama

It's hard to believe that their research on the topic would be unbiased.

Great, they have articles you disagree with so logic fallacy of attack the messenger. I just pointed to one article among many on this subject since it was a concise starting point. There are others. The one below deals with fatal police shootings and racial make up of the officers and the race of the person that died.


There are critiques and counter critiques of the critiques of that study. The critique to the above study is that it isn't normalized to police encounters as raw data. The counter to that is there isn't info on that, but even then it would have to be associated not just with encounters, but the nature of those encounters of criminal vs no criminal report and crime rates for the area of the encounter. There is a lot to breakdown, but there are also crime rates to look at as well. The one conclusion that everyone agrees based on the study above is that police tend to shoot their same race more often than outside. Meaning white officers shoot white civilians, black officers shoot black civilians, and hispanic shoot hispanic more. Most police forces tend to be drawn from their communities, but not all. Where racial biases tend to occur more often in policing is when the police force isn't drawn from their local communities. This isn't as common though. Trying to paint all officers or departments as racist across the country, or even portions of the country is very wrong. Large portions of the country have very little reported crime at all. The vast majority of criminal reports happen in large urban area. Which means outside those urban areas, there isn't much police contact with civilians for criminal investigations. Especially is you remove traffic stops from the equation that result in nothing more than a ticket at most.

There are interesting opinion articles like this as well:

Written by an officer about their time on the job they had for decades. There are plenty of these stories out there where officers tell their side of the story. Take from it what you will or don't. There are also tons of articles on many left wing news sites that state the opposite and based their articles on a couple small sample studies from early 00s. Those studies have far more critiques on them.

Again, most rational people aren't saying that there isn't still racism. People are saying that it is blown way out of proportion. Labeling all police as racist for example. There are more than a few headlines out there like that. As for my personal opinion, I stand by the statement that the US is the least racist country on the planet at this time and for any time in human history. We still have problems to work out, but we don't need bad faith actors trying to push narratives of fear.

Also, most recent studies are being done like this WSU that have more data than the PNAS one above that also back up the conclusions of the PNAS one.


There is more. Roland Fryer, a black harvard professor, who was angered at the time of the Michael Brown and other shootings decided to do a study to see how widespread biased police shootings were. He found the opposite from his study. Critiques of his study are that since they are based on police reports, that there may be false reports mixed in. However, his sample size was fairly large by the end of the study.

 
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Maybe we libruhls are tired of lying down and catering to the yahoos and the racists, along the lines of " A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel."

That sort of accommodation is one-sided and certainly hasn't worked well so far.

Have you noted who's President these days?

What do my comments have to do with liberalism?

More broadly, bullying is wrong but I'm not really judging anyone who does it. You've got good reason to have that impulse. We all do. It's more than Trump and leads into @Moonbeam philosophical territory. However, understanding the behavior, sometimes participating in it myself, having great immediate context for its presence right now -- none of it makes it the right thing to do. Or at least that's my position. You can disagree. Up to you. I couldn't stop you from doing it even if I thought it was right to try. But I can point it out so that perhaps you yourself might choose to act differently. And by "you" in these statements, I don't mean you specifically.