Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen discussion

[jpeyton]

I'll be very interested to see how word-of-mouth affects TROTF.

It grossed $201 million in it's first 5 days, second only to TDK's $203 million performance last year. But whereas TDK had incredible week-after-week business from all it's critical acclaim, TROTF is getting critically thrashed and will need strong word-of-mouth business to end it's run as well as TDK did.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
I'll be very interested to see how word-of-mouth affects TROTF.

It grossed $201 million in it's first 5 days, second only to TDK's $203 million performance last year. But whereas TDK had incredible week-after-week business from all it's critical acclaim, TROTF is getting critically thrashed and will need strong word-of-mouth business to end it's run as well as TDK did.

Terminator got thrashed, and it's up to $320 million worldwide. Looks like it could top out at $400 million, and even that only had a $70 million-ish first week.

Don't you worry, there will be a Transformers 3.

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: dud

Originally posted by: freshgeardude

Originally posted by: dud
RT has this film rated as rotten with a 20% rating. After reading some of the reviews this must be one horrible movie:

** critic reviews **

Those of you who actually saw the movie ... are you sure you were in the right theater? I think I'll pass.

psshh. some of those say that it was boring. my ass hole

So what are you saying? ... that 149 of 187 professional critics are wrong ... or that your asshole is boring?

I think he's saying what a lot of us would say. Quit being a tool and letting critics tell you what to think. See it and make up your own damned mind or don't come in here acting like you know what you're talking about from just some critic reviews. Critics are pretty well known to be completely stuck up their own asshole and there are plenty of high rated movies that I didn't enjoy at all. If you hate the movie after seeing it then fine, but don't come in here saying people who liked it are wrong when you don't even know yourself what you're talking about.

Think for yourself once in a while... you'll feel better.

I'm surprised any of you pro-Bay people are actually capable of thinking for yourselves. I mean...isn't that why you go to see his movies--to fill in that dull, empty hummmmmm where rational, independent thought should live?

I ended up liking it so I'm automatically 'pro-bay'? Sorry to inform you, but I'm not. I didn't expect to like it very much after reading reviews and some of this thread but I ended up liking it a decent amount. It was far from perfect, but it was still entertaining which I was surprised about giving the reviews and such. I feel bad for you folks who can't enjoy the things that others can, and then have to use public forums like these to try and drag everybody's thoughts down with you. Misery loves company I guess...

I'll just let you movie-emos cry in the corner about Transformers and cut yourselves with the sharpened DVD of your favorite film. Just don't kill yourself when they release Transformers 3 since Megatron didn't even die in this one. I don't think we have enough corners for all of you though, so maybe you can cry about that too?

 

[boomhower]

Took the family to a mattinea yesterday and really liked it. No its not going to win any emmy's for acting or writing but it was entertaining with great effects. For what it is I thought it was great.

 

[classy]

I thought the movie was ok. C+
But the movie should not have been rated PG-13. For a movie that is bound to attract young children, there was way too much cursing and sexual innuendos. Especially when many of lines wouldn't have been hurt using just plain ole words.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: John P

Originally posted by: Queasy
This Ain't It Cool review perfectly sums up how I feel about Mudflap and Skids...aka Car Car Binks.

And worst of all, the frightening sidekicks of the film and the mistake this film will most likely be forever known for: Mudflap and Skids, the Stepin Fetchbots of the film. It?s as if Michael Bay looked at Jar Jar Binks and said ?Oh, fuck no. Really? People find THAT offensive? Fuck that, I?ll show them a fucking stereotype they?ll never fucking forget!? And he does.

Oh. My. God.

They speak in clichéd urban slang, tossing around phrases like ?I?m gonna pop a cap in your ass? while fist bumping and mumbling unintelligently in a voice that sounds like a bad Chappelle Show sketch. Then you get a close up. And they each have bug eyes and a gold tooth. Then there?s this jackass comment about them not being able to read. My jaw was on the floor. I mean, if you?re gonna toss out a bad stereotype, at least have the courtesy to make that stereotype a complete badass so as to deflect complaints that this is a deliberately negative portrayal. These mother fuckers are incompetent, bumbling and never, EVER, cool.

I just couldn't understand Bay's focus on Car Car Binks. The remaining Autobots from the first movie got almost no screen time and zero character development outside of Optimus Prime. Bumblebee gets very little and is just a repeat from the first movie (though his fight at the end was cool and his scene at college with Sam and Alice in the car was hilarious). The new additions to the Autobots got absolutely zero character development as well. Sideswipe (the Corvette Stingray with swords) looked positively badass but barely spoke a word or did anything aside from standing around looking badass. The Arcee triplets looked interesting as fembots but got no development and spoke maybe one line.

I wasn't expecting Shakespeare or anything but holy crap was Car Car Binks nearly a film killer.

Wow, how can Bay take something with so much potential and screw it up so pathetically? The idiot twin robots, humping dogs and robot, messed up version of college life, mom on pot, etc, were just plain not needed. Movie had so much potential but was a let down except for the action scenes.

i just got back from seeing it. I thought it was a great movie. i went in expecting to see shit get blownup and robots fighitng. i got to see that and i am happy.

saying that i agree the Twin robotgs sucked, there was NO NEED for teh humping dogs (ok maybe the 1st time for cheap joke but not the 2nd) adn the robot humping foxx's leg? ok i can't blame it..iw ould too if i could.

there also was no reason for the mother to get "stoned" on the brownies. it added nothing but a cheap laugh.

i also hated how the Decepticons all looked the same (well except for a few) and the fight scenes you really couldnt tell WTF was going on at times.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Sabot
What an awful movie, it was far more than just an 'action flick', there is a ton of weight behind the transformers franchise. That 'heaven' scene is what through it completely out of the window, just awful.

Actually that wasn't heaven. That was simply the prior leaders of Cybertron speaking to Sam from the Matrix of Leadership. If I remember correctly, even in the TV show, the Matrix contained the "essence" of the older Primes (but to my knowledge, there was still never more than one at a time since the Matrix is what made you a Prime).

Originally posted by: ChaoZ
I like it and it seemed the rest of the crowd agreed cause they were clapping at the end of the movie. People still haven't realized by now that the only thing you can expect from a Michael Bay movie is seeing shit getting blown up, and this movie delivered. I also found this movie extremely funny when it tried to be, especially at the guy tasering himself.

I detached my mind all Matrix style and it wasn't too shabby. I donno, I can't even explain why I enjoyed it (not as much as other movies mind you... I just don't think it was unbearable).

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: classy
I thought the movie was ok. C+
But the movie should not have been rated PG-13. For a movie that is bound to attract young children, there was way too much cursing and sexual innuendos. Especially when many of lines wouldn't have been hurt using just plain ole words.

I disagree on the rating thing. PG-13 is a perfect rating for it, as it uses jokes/language that are appropriate for teens and later. Sexual innuendo? Please, those types of jokes are a part of every pre-teens life anyway but much worse so nothing in that movie was that bad. Cursing? There was a couple 'damns' 'ass's and maybe even a couple 'shit's, but again a 13 year old (the minumum suggested age) is already being introduced to worse by school kids and even talking like that themselves. Don't be naive, this movie wasn't bad at all for the age bracket it was intended for (13+).

While I do agree that a few lines didn't NEED the language they used, I don't think anything stepped overboard.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: dud
RT has this film rated as rotten with a 20% rating. After reading some of the reviews this must be one horrible movie:

A bad film that seems like a nightmare because it is one.

No white elephants in the room. I'll be brutal. Bay's film sucks with a capital "S" and with the word enveloped in bold italics.

A perfectly dreadful sequel that's the filmic equivalent of a 150-minute waterboarding session.

Will insult your intelligence, hurt your eyes, and offend your sense of decency until you worry that your skull might explode while your brain trickles right out of your ears.

I saw Revenge of the Fallen at Imax, which is probably why I managed to stay awake in what for me was the world's most boring movie.

It's a wad of chaos puked onto the big screen, an arbitrary collection of explosions and machismo posturing.

Shrieking and ugly and tedious and soft-headed, not even giving the thin comfort of being hilariously bad.

... and my favorite:

Only an a*****e could have made this film.

Those of you who actually saw the movie ... are you sure you were in the right theater? I think I'll pass.

RT is an idiotic website, imo.

Real reviews by real people, give it a 68%, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1055369/ Not some professional critic, but people like you and I. With almost 23,000 votes. Sorry, Ill take their word, over some wanna be critics such as rt. RT gave 17 Again a 56%, almost three times as good as Transformers 2? Yeah, ok.

Originally posted by: Kaido
Hahahaha:

http://io9.com/5301898/michael...ally-made-an-art-movie

Sorry, the first line ruined it. Obviously they dont like to report facts. "Critical consensus on Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen is overwhelmingly negative." Good try though.

There are obviously a lot more people who liked the movie, than disliked it. Take pot shots at it all you want, the FACT is, most people think its a good movie. Get over it.

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Kaido
Hahahaha:

http://io9.com/5301898/michael...ally-made-an-art-movie

Sorry, the first line ruined it. Obviously they dont like to report facts. "Critical consensus on Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen is overwhelmingly negative." Good try though.

There are obviously a lot more people who liked the movie, than disliked it. Take pot shots at it all you want, the FACT is, most people think its a good movie. Get over it.

http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/transformers2

Do you not understand what 'critical consensus' means? It means the consensus... from THE CRITICS, not the masses. The critics hated this movie, and nobody can deny that. Metacritic and RT agree, the 'professionals' didn't like it. I'm one of the ones that liked this movie too, but your argument here sucks more than those critic scores. I mean you have nothing here.

 

[Q]

Glad to see some others liked it (for what it was)

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: dud
RT has this film rated as rotten with a 20% rating. After reading some of the reviews this must be one horrible movie:

A bad film that seems like a nightmare because it is one.

No white elephants in the room. I'll be brutal. Bay's film sucks with a capital "S" and with the word enveloped in bold italics.

A perfectly dreadful sequel that's the filmic equivalent of a 150-minute waterboarding session.

Will insult your intelligence, hurt your eyes, and offend your sense of decency until you worry that your skull might explode while your brain trickles right out of your ears.

I saw Revenge of the Fallen at Imax, which is probably why I managed to stay awake in what for me was the world's most boring movie.

It's a wad of chaos puked onto the big screen, an arbitrary collection of explosions and machismo posturing.

Shrieking and ugly and tedious and soft-headed, not even giving the thin comfort of being hilariously bad.

... and my favorite:

Only an a*****e could have made this film.

Those of you who actually saw the movie ... are you sure you were in the right theater? I think I'll pass.

RT is an idiotic website, imo.

Real reviews by real people, give it a 68%, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1055369/ Not some professional critic, but people like you and I. With almost 23,000 votes. Sorry, Ill take their word, over some wanna be critics such as rt. RT gave 17 Again a 56%, almost three times as good as Transformers 2? Yeah, ok.

Originally posted by: Kaido
Hahahaha:

http://io9.com/5301898/michael...ally-made-an-art-movie

Sorry, the first line ruined it. Obviously they dont like to report facts. "Critical consensus on Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen is overwhelmingly negative." Good try though.

There are obviously a lot more people who liked the movie, than disliked it. Take pot shots at it all you want, the FACT is, most people think its a good movie. Get over it.

well, you can't really complain about critics, calling them elitists and all, misrepresenting what people actually want, then turn around and claim that non-critics (the people with which I think you count yourself) now count as some sort of "critical consensus."

Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

The FACT is, the critics absolutely hate this flick; which is exactly what that article claims.

 

[hans007]

you know what is sad is, how critics and the "wanna be critic" type can't just enjoy a movie for what it is. This movie is a turn your brain off and watch stuff get blown up movie. I understand that. And honestly that is why I go to the movie theater. So I can just enjoy something mindless that doesnt need some drawn out plot.

I tend to think people who spend all their time arguing about how touching or symbolic a movie is vs one that is all explosions and how terrible movies like transformers are just need real lives. For me the movie theater is an escape. Case in point, a movie like gran torino. I watched about 10 minutes of it and turned it off. It is one of those things you watch while slowly dying in a hospital. It got great reviews but I just couldnt' care.

I mean I am not some mindless 14 year old. I program software all day .. It is very complicated and honestly for a lot of people that is their life. Something you have to think about and care about. I dunno, for me Transformers is a way to escape that into a world where a camaro can turn into a robot with a gun.

Seriously, the rottentomatoes critic crowd wishes every movie was "the english patient" or "children of men" (which was agonizing by the way). Oh well, so much for being entertained. I value entertainment over some statement or lesson in a movie. I can read cnn.com for world views and lessons.

I am going to love it when critics and the can't enjoy this movie type, are whining that they will make a 3rd transformers in 2012. Because the first movie made 700 million. And this one I bet will make even more worldwide. So they will have to make another one.

And I will have another movie to see in 2012!

 

[Kaido]

I didn't realize there was so much hate for Michael Bay :Q I like his movies...big explosions...good times...

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Kaido
Hahahaha:

http://io9.com/5301898/michael...ally-made-an-art-movie

Sorry, the first line ruined it. Obviously they dont like to report facts. "Critical consensus on Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen is overwhelmingly negative." Good try though.

There are obviously a lot more people who liked the movie, than disliked it. Take pot shots at it all you want, the FACT is, most people think its a good movie. Get over it.

http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/transformers2

Do you not understand what 'critical consensus' means? It means the consensus... from THE CRITICS, not the masses. The critics hated this movie, and nobody can deny that. Metacritic and RT agree, the 'professionals' didn't like it. I'm one of the ones that liked this movie too, but your argument here sucks more than those critic scores. I mean you have nothing here.

do you not understand that most people could not fucking care less what the "critics" think

 

[Kalmah]

I watched it tonight. I enjoyed it. It seemed about normal to me as a typical summer action flick.

I would reccomend watching it.

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Kaido
Hahahaha:

http://io9.com/5301898/michael...ally-made-an-art-movie

Sorry, the first line ruined it. Obviously they dont like to report facts. "Critical consensus on Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen is overwhelmingly negative." Good try though.

There are obviously a lot more people who liked the movie, than disliked it. Take pot shots at it all you want, the FACT is, most people think its a good movie. Get over it.

http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/transformers2

Do you not understand what 'critical consensus' means? It means the consensus... from THE CRITICS, not the masses. The critics hated this movie, and nobody can deny that. Metacritic and RT agree, the 'professionals' didn't like it. I'm one of the ones that liked this movie too, but your argument here sucks more than those critic scores. I mean you have nothing here.

do you not understand that most people could not fucking care less what the "critics" think

Yeah, I do realize that... do you even know what I was referencing? Ackmed was talking about that review saying "Critical consensus on Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen is overwhelmingly negative." I was just pointing out that the review was talking about the CRITICS, not what the average person thought. I brought up the critics because the review he was talking about brought them up.

Can you wrap your brain around that one now sherlock, or do I have to hold your hand again?

 

[Barfo]

Watched tonight, made out with gf during the boring parts, it was ok.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Kaido
Hahahaha:

http://io9.com/5301898/michael...ally-made-an-art-movie

Sorry, the first line ruined it. Obviously they dont like to report facts. "Critical consensus on Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen is overwhelmingly negative." Good try though.

There are obviously a lot more people who liked the movie, than disliked it. Take pot shots at it all you want, the FACT is, most people think its a good movie. Get over it.

http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/transformers2

Do you not understand what 'critical consensus' means? It means the consensus... from THE CRITICS, not the masses. The critics hated this movie, and nobody can deny that. Metacritic and RT agree, the 'professionals' didn't like it. I'm one of the ones that liked this movie too, but your argument here sucks more than those critic scores. I mean you have nothing here.

do you not understand that most people could not fucking care less what the "critics" think

Yeah, I do realize that... do you even know what I was referencing? Ackmed was talking about that review saying "Critical consensus on Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen is overwhelmingly negative." I was just pointing out that the review was talking about the CRITICS, not what the average person thought. I brought up the critics because the review he was talking about brought them up.

Can you wrap your brain around that one now sherlock, or do I have to hold your hand again?

Eh. So the professionals hated it. I can say why, and I can completely agree with them too. I wouldn't hate it as much as some other 20% movies, but I can see why it sucks that bad. I definitely think the first was superior.

Plotwise and scriptwise it wasn't great at all. Some of the cheesy humor? Not even decent either. Explosions? Special effects? Great! Does that make a great movie? No. Does it make a great action sequence? Yes. It could've been a video game for all I cared with those explosions. But if you think of it as a plot-based story, it's terrible. You can see why some other movies with special effects and a plot can get higher ratings. It's because there's a plot that you can follow through. Sit down now and draw a damn story board of the movie. It doesn't look pretty.

So yes, some people think it's a great movie not in the sense that it was a great movie, but it was a great 2 hours of action. This is different from a great movie that has action.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: gorcorps

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Kaido
Hahahaha:

http://io9.com/5301898/michael...ally-made-an-art-movie

Sorry, the first line ruined it. Obviously they dont like to report facts. "Critical consensus on Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen is overwhelmingly negative." Good try though.

There are obviously a lot more people who liked the movie, than disliked it. Take pot shots at it all you want, the FACT is, most people think its a good movie. Get over it.

http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/transformers2

Do you not understand what 'critical consensus' means? It means the consensus... from THE CRITICS, not the masses. The critics hated this movie, and nobody can deny that. Metacritic and RT agree, the 'professionals' didn't like it. I'm one of the ones that liked this movie too, but your argument here sucks more than those critic scores. I mean you have nothing here.

do you not understand that most people could not fucking care less what the "critics" think

Much like how I don't give a fuck what the mouth-breathing masses think.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: hans007
I am going to love it when critics and the can't enjoy this movie type, are whining that they will make a 3rd transformers in 2012. Because the first movie made 700 million. And this one I bet will make even more worldwide. So they will have to make another one.

And I will have another movie to see in 2012!

The Matrix was a critical success.

The Matrix Reloaded did much better in the box office than the original, but got lots of bad critical reviews.

The Matrix Revolutions did the worst of all three in the box office, and also got bad reviews.

Regardless, all the Matrix movies were box office successes.

Transformers is emulating the Matrix Trilogy's box office model. The first Transformers got favorable reviews and did very well in the box office. Transformers 2 got terrible reviews, but the buzz from the original movie is enough to get people to pour into the theater. Transformers 3 will do worse than both 1 & 2 in the box office, and will get terrible reviews as well (I'll wager).

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: hans007
you know what is sad is, how critics and the "wanna be critic" type can't just enjoy a movie for what it is. This movie is a turn your brain off and watch stuff get blown up movie....blah blah blah....

I mean I am not some mindless 14 year old. I program software all day .. It is very complicated and honestly for a lot of people that is their life. So...blah blah blha blah blah blah....

now who's being the fool?

 

[RaiderJ]

Robots? Check.
Robots fighting? Check.
Explosions? Check
Cheap laughs thrown in? Check.
Entertained? Check.

What more does anyone want?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: hans007
I am going to love it when critics and the can't enjoy this movie type, are whining that they will make a 3rd transformers in 2012. Because the first movie made 700 million. And this one I bet will make even more worldwide. So they will have to make another one.

And I will have another movie to see in 2012!

The Matrix was a critical success.

The Matrix Reloaded did much better in the box office than the original, but got lots of bad critical reviews.

The Matrix Revolutions did the worst of all three in the box office, and also got bad reviews.

Regardless, all the Matrix movies were box office successes.

Transformers is emulating the Matrix Trilogy's box office model. The first Transformers got favorable reviews and did very well in the box office. Transformers 2 got terrible reviews, but the buzz from the original movie is enough to get people to pour into the theater. Transformers 3 will do worse than both 1 & 2 in the box office, and will get terrible reviews as well (I'll wager).

The second did so damn well because of the 1st. However it was a total turnaround Instead of plot development, we got nonstop 2 hours of action. Granted it wasn't bad action at all but what made the first movie great was no longer in the second.

Transformers might be a bit different. The first had plot development, but nothing as revolutionary as say the Matrix. Explosions were present too and there was quite a bit in the first one too. I think the second definitely outdid the first in terms of action, but in terms of plot went a big step backward. I definitely understand that the hype of the second was generated from the first and of course there's the Megan Fox factor.

But let's get beyond this. I want to say that I loved the showing off of US Military tech. Was that a B1B they used to drop the JDAM bombs? I expected a single laser guided bomb or something, but wow I did not know they were gonna carpet bomb =)

 

[DayLaPaul]

Shia LaBeouf is the worst actor EVER!