Transcript of CNN Crossfire with John O'Neill

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Riprorin

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You're obfuscating. Quite obviously, his opinion of Hillary Clinton has no bearing at all on what Kerry did or didn't in Vietnam, or his behavior after the war.

The whole Corsi discussion is a poorly veiled smokescreen.
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
You're obfuscating. Quite obviously, his opinion of Hillary Clinton has no bearing at all on what Kerry did or didn't in Vietnam, or his behavior after the war.

The whole Corsi discussion is a poorly veiled smokescreen.

Like Your Kerry Bashing is a smokescreen for the failures and lack of direction of Bush?

Agenda.......... Whats Yours.

Mine is Returning Integrity to the Whitehouse. Possible a unificator.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: smashp
Originally posted by: Riprorin
You're obfuscating. Quite obviously, his opinion of Hillary Clinton has no bearing at all on what Kerry did or didn't in Vietnam, or his behavior after the war.

The whole Corsi discussion is a poorly veiled smokescreen.

Like Your Kerry Bashing is a smokescreen for the failures and lack of direction of Bush?

Agenda.......... Whats Yours.

Mine is Returning Integrity to the Whitehouse. Possible a unificator.

Your changing the topic.

You haven't explained what Corsi's views on Hillary Clinton have to do with the allegations of the Swiftboat vets.
 

villager

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
You're obfuscating. Quite obviously, his opinion of Hillary Clinton has no bearing at all on what Kerry did or didn't in Vietnam, or his behavior after the war.

The whole Corsi discussion is a poorly veiled smokescreen.

Funny how your comments mirrors ONeills attempts to side step any questions about his co author of the book. Corsi co wrote the book, and that book purports to be truthful. Your attempts to side step this shows that you realize that Corsi discredits the book just by his authorship.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: villager
Originally posted by: Riprorin
You're obfuscating. Quite obviously, his opinion of Hillary Clinton has no bearing at all on what Kerry did or didn't in Vietnam, or his behavior after the war.

The whole Corsi discussion is a poorly veiled smokescreen.

Funny how your comments mirrors ONeills attempts to side step any questions about his co author of the book. Corsi co wrote the book, and that book purports to be truthful. Your attempts to side step this shows that you realize that Corsi discredits the book just by his authorship.

And again, what do Corsi's personal views have to do with the veracity of the statements of the swiftboat veterans?

Of course, absolutely nothing. It's just a blatantly obvious attempt to avoid the allegations.
 

villager

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: villager
Originally posted by: Riprorin
You're obfuscating. Quite obviously, his opinion of Hillary Clinton has no bearing at all on what Kerry did or didn't in Vietnam, or his behavior after the war.

The whole Corsi discussion is a poorly veiled smokescreen.

Funny how your comments mirrors ONeills attempts to side step any questions about his co author of the book. Corsi co wrote the book, and that book purports to be truthful. Your attempts to side step this shows that you realize that Corsi discredits the book just by his authorship.

And again, what do Corsi's personal views have to do with the veracity of the statements of the swiftboat veterans?

Of course, absolutely nothing. It's just a blatantly obvious attempt to avoid the allegations.

So you want to know why Corsi, who helped write and research the book, has any relationship to what is in the book he co authored. Good point.
But, lets see what Roy Hoffman said about Kerry on May 6:
"Hoffman acknowledged he had no first-hand knowledge to discredit Kerry's claims to valor and said that although Kerry was under his command, he really didn't know Kerry much personally"
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On August 4:
"I knew him well enough to know him," Hoffman said.
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August 5:
We were on the same operations, we were operating within 25-50 yards of him all the time, and for them to suggest we don't know John Kerry is pure old bull."
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NeoV

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my god, my 6 year old connects the dots better than you do Rip - if the author of a book you are reading says that he believes Aliens control the Pacific Ocean at night - and the book is about ocean travel, would you says his views on other subjects are relevant?

This Corsi clown is CLEARLY a FAR RIGHT WING mouthpiece - isn't that in some way relevant to this book?

Outside of Rip, here is my problem with this entire issue (other than the fact that Bush was AWOL for national guard service for a long time yet the right thinks this stuff is ok) - O'Neil has had a problem with Kerry for one reason, and one reason only - the way Kerry spoke out against the war when he came home - saying it was wrong, that soldiers, including himself, had committed attrocities, etc, etc - I think it is fairly easy to imagine other soldiers being upset with Kerry's words and actions upon returning home. However, (this is the key part of the statement rip, pay attention) lying about what he did as a soldier when you never even met him in Vietnam, never really treated his wounds, never served on his boat, etc, etc...is an abomination, particularly when done by former soldiers. If you want to criticize Kerry's choice of words or actions in speaking out against the war, fine, be my guest - but remember that is a completely different thing that how he served or won any medals.

Can we all stop talking about this now?
 

LunarRay

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Add what do Corsi's personal views on unrelated topics have to do with the veracity of the Swiftboat vets?
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And, what matter does it make if the Devil himself were to say that from a boat down river I witnessed a fire fight... of course my proximity to the fire fight was such that I was in no danger and had the time and presence of mind to contemporaneously record the events in the unlikely event that one of those sailors in the boat ahead may run for public office. I figured I'd forsake my duty and my honor at the time and allow my government to award high medals for bravery and injury to a fraud... cuz that is the kind of guy I am.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Carville is smart, but he can be a rapid fire, irritating PITA, more intent on running his mouth to prove his point than allowing others to reply. Novak should be shot for treason for outing a CIA agent. Nobody should waste one electron allowing him anywhere near the airwaves.

It was more fun watching Chris Matthews tear O'Neill a new asshole, last night because he did give the lying prick time to speak.

When O'Neill opened his mouth, all he managed to do was change feet. Then, Matthews tore all of his lying bullsh8 to shreads. :laugh:



LoL - I loved how Chris Mathews told him that he would clock him and provide him with the minutes he used on the show if he claimed that he was cut off and not allowed to state his case. Mathews not only gave O'Neil his time to speak but also nailed him every time when he made false statements and distortions. It is safe to say the Mathews freaking owned that fool and tore his version of events and his book's credibility a new a-hole.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
If over 200 decorated vets have lied, he should have nothing to fear.

So why is Kerry acting like a guilty man by attempting to silence the Swift Boat vets?

DNC Lawyers Work To Muzzle Swift Boat Vets' Ad



How many of them served with Kerry ?? Here's the answer ! Only ONE of them briefly served under Kerry and he hates Kerry because of his post-Vietnam statements and because Kerry yelled at him. The rest should be ashamed that they sold their souls for partisian hack politics. I bet those guys would sign a petition stating that McCain never was a real POW if the GOP slime machine manager Karl Rove wanted it so.
 

AEB

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Originally posted by: Todd33
What's amazing is you trying to discredit the military services of a guy who servered his country and put his life at risk while you support an AWOL coward.


Wrong, Bush (if that is the AWOL coward which you reference) wasn't AWOL he release his military records. Something Kerry has yet to do. If he isn't hiding anything let the public see it. Answer these questons
Questions Aboot Kerry!
 

villager

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Originally posted by: AEB
Originally posted by: Todd33
What's amazing is you trying to discredit the military services of a guy who servered his country and put his life at risk while you support an AWOL coward.


Wrong, Bush (if that is the AWOL coward which you reference) wasn't AWOL he release his military records. Something Kerry has yet to do. If he isn't hiding anything let the public see it. Answer these questons
Questions Aboot Kerry!

Here are the military records.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: AEB
Originally posted by: Todd33
What's amazing is you trying to discredit the military services of a guy who servered his country and put his life at risk while you support an AWOL coward.


Wrong, Bush (if that is the AWOL coward which you reference) wasn't AWOL he release his military records. Something Kerry has yet to do. If he isn't hiding anything let the public see it. Answer these questons
Questions Aboot Kerry!

Uh, no. Bush has never released all of the documents that would prove he never missed any service.
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: AEB
Originally posted by: Todd33
What's amazing is you trying to discredit the military services of a guy who servered his country and put his life at risk while you support an AWOL coward.


Wrong, Bush (if that is the AWOL coward which you reference) wasn't AWOL he release his military records. Something Kerry has yet to do. If he isn't hiding anything let the public see it. Answer these questons
Questions Aboot Kerry!

From Your Link.....

by MICHAEL SAVAGE


I am an Independent...........



I stopped there
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: villager
Originally posted by: AEB
Originally posted by: Todd33
What's amazing is you trying to discredit the military services of a guy who servered his country and put his life at risk while you support an AWOL coward.


Wrong, Bush (if that is the AWOL coward which you reference) wasn't AWOL he release his military records. Something Kerry has yet to do. If he isn't hiding anything let the public see it. Answer these questons
Questions Aboot Kerry!

Here are the military records.

That is not all of them.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
But yet, GDub's records have been fully revealed. :roll:

Yes they have.
No, they haven't.

Yes they have

Soooo, what WAS he doing during those missing 5 months, eh?

linkage

The records do not say, but he is not listed awol either. Most of the records were released in febuary, with a couple of missing documents being found in july.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
But yet, GDub's records have been fully revealed. :roll:

Yes they have.
No, they haven't.

Yes they have

Soooo, what WAS he doing during those missing 5 months, eh?

linkage

The records do not say, but he is not listed awol either. Most of the records were released in febuary, with a couple of missing documents being found in july.

What about the ones that were conveniently destroyed?
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
But yet, GDub's records have been fully revealed. :roll:

Yes they have.
No, they haven't.

Yes they have

Soooo, what WAS he doing during those missing 5 months, eh?

linkage

The records do not say, but he is not listed awol either. Most of the records were released in febuary, with a couple of missing documents being found in july.

What about the ones that were conveniently destroyed?


Those payroll records were found recently found...