Everything i said is fact. Not opinionated. A bigot bases upon opinions, not facts. Sad as it is, its true. If you can't cope with the truth and find comfort in calling people bigots go for it, i could care less what you think. one thing, though, for sure, this thread is way off topic.
Everything i said is fact. Not opinionated. A bigot bases upon opinions, not facts. Sad as it is, its true. If you can't cope with the truth and find comfort in calling people bigots go for it, i could care less what you think. one thing, though, for sure, this thread is way off topic.
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Thanks for pointing that out. These days it seems as if you're innocent until it's reported by the media, then everyone assumes you're guilty.
And to eveyone who is posting negative statements about Muslims and their religion - you are no better than the Muslims who hate us because we are Americans.
This thread now **Officially** sucks.......and it is a perfect example of how religion is the fundemantal initiator in most historical conflicts.
true on the officially sucks part. its so off now. i guess its just a hot topic, and these topics tend to go off fast.
anyways, i just think its sad that someone who was born, brought up and raised in this country (i.e. they benefited so much from this country - like how to use the computer he was using so he had the FREEDOM to go onto a chat room), will double cross it like that. Real low character. i say ship him to Afghanistan, let him have fun over there playing catch the goat while riding on mules.
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What are you talking about? YOU are the one who turned it into a Muslim-bashing argument with the first post. It ended up exactly where you wanted it to, except for the fact that everyone knows you're a bigot, and you haven't really convinced anyone to join your anti-Muslim jihad.
Please go with him.
Um, no. The first post was with regards to the several problems we have had with Converted Muslims in this country. This guy (converted muslim), the african american military man (converted muslim) who threw live grenades at his fellow soldiers, John Mohammed the Sniper (converted Muslim), John Walker (converted muslim) of the Taliban... these are all examples of traitors, all converted Muslims, it was relevant to mention.
edit: Read this from above again closely... slowly if you need to. i haven't made stupid comments like others have made that all of them suck or what not. I don't believe that. But, on this thread, i did mention the negative things they have done, not negative things that I PULLED OUT OF MY A55. See the difference? If you don't, thats not my problem. Should i have mentioned Muslim contributions to the world to make you happy? it wouldn't have been relavent. anyways, here is what i wrote earlier:
"Some of the comments later on saying that all of them are bad is stupid. Yes, I totally agree there are good and bad seeds in every camp, I'm not saying all Muslims are bad. What I am saying though, is that an overwhelming proportion of the terror groups are those who, if nothing else, claim to be based on protecting Islam, and killing Kaffirs. There is a disproportiate amount of hate groups from people of that religion. You cannot possibly try to compare this to the worlds other major religions. I have Muslim friends and acquaintances, and even westen minded, educated ones from good families still make statements like "jews are behind these attacks, etc. etc." Ridiculous. They need to take responsibility for their actions."
Atif, I agree with you here, but the reality is that Islam doesn't. Perhaps more than ANY other religion in the world, although most in common with the other Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity) Islam preaches an identity based on belief - and as has been repeated countless time through the Koran, a distinction between believers and non-believers is the base of all categorization with believers as superior to non-believers. With this as the underlying motif, how can you tell me that the average muslim thinks in any other way than an us-and-them mentality? In fact, it is the humanidentity-stripping nature of Islam that robs them of any sense of individuality. In fact, I can safely (and I know a few muslims who'd agree) say that YOU aren't a "true" muslim because you implicitly reject this distinction by professing your ethos of us as a brotherhood of humans first, with religious identity second. Islam has it the other way around, minus the human brotherhood.
It is this delineation that makes it so easy for the mind manipulators to work their magic - Islam, with its incredibly intrusive control over every aspect of human individuality, serves (perhaps its true purpose?) as a tool of mind control, lobotomizing the youth, and priming them for herding by those who are a touch smarter, and who, ironically, step out of the religion's control (did you know Chivas Regal's top sales are in Saudi Arabia?). It's not hard to parallel the millions of muslims as androids existing with built-in triggers designed by their years of islamic study and belief:
1. Defense of religion is the only sure access to heaven in Islam: the result? Thousands of muslims volunteering to fight so as to die a martyr. I wish I could find that source that quotes an old muslim who basically admits that he has a few years left in him, but volunteered to fight and risk dying early so he could get that golden ticket to heaven.
2. The promise of decadence and luxury in heaven for martyrdom: the result? See no. 1.
It all boils down to this: the flaw of our world is that humanity (specifically, the West) created for itself a God whose wrath it fears. This will be our undoing.
for the record, i'm actually pleasantly surprised to see so many people come to the defense of a minority group. thats a really nice thing. and i don't want people to read my post and go think all muslims are bad, that is not my intention at all. but for people earlier on, like Atif or whatever to even dare say that there are Christian, Hindu, buddhist terror groups, is ridiculous. Islam as we know it today must change, otherwise there will be eternal conflict between it and everyone else (and no, us Americans are not to be blamed for their crimes, I'm sorry, they were ethnically cleansing people in Southern Europe, India, and other parts of Asia)
And you know why, SherEPunjab? Because Islam, by definition (and design), cannot coexist with another. It is as simple as that.
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"but for people earlier on, like Atif or whatever to even dare say that there are Christian, Hindu, buddhist terror groups, is ridiculous."
I never specifically cited Buddhist terrorist groups, because I don't know any off the top of my head, but it is a FACT that there are Christian and Hindu terrorist groups - yes - that carry out, in a militaristic fashion what they perceive to be the commandments of their respective religious books. To say that 'there are' simply means that they EXIST, if you choose to deny this fact because you don't want to believe it, that's a whole other discussion. They DO exist, and this is a fact, once you come to realize this you will understand why your logic will support yllus' stance more than any other (that is, no religion should be accepted) I will continue to "dare" stating this fact regarding terrorist/militia groups of other religious backing simply because it's far less daring and offensive to state this FACT than spew irrelevant propaganda like "Nobody should convert to Islam"
"Islam, by definition (and design), cannot coexist with another. It is as simple as that"
I'm sorry, but this statement totally sounds like it came out a Daniel Pipes briefing on why Islam is the evil of the world, LOL. There are PLENTY of historical examples of Muslim tolerance and acceptance, including Spain, where Muslims tolerated and respected the members of other religions under their rule. There are Muslims in China, they are coexisting peacefully with the people there. There are Muslims in Canada, they are coexisting peacefully with the people there. The list goes on and on. There is a Muslim club in my college, they have peaceful discussions and interactions with all the other clubs on campus. If the religion, as you suggest, is so vehemently opposed to interaction and existence with those who do not follow the faith, then how is is that these Muslims around the world live peacefully without any aggression towards others? Perhaps they're just fake Muslims? Or maybe it's your own school teachings and culture's seemingly negative perception of Muslims that is creeping into your thoughts
Peace
I never specifically cited Buddhist terrorist groups, because I don't know any off the top of my head, but it is a FACT that there are Christian and Hindu terrorist groups - yes - that carry out, in a militaristic fashion what they perceive to be the commandments of their respective religious books. To say that 'there are' simply means that they EXIST, if you choose to deny this fact because you don't want to believe it, that's a whole other discussion. They DO exist, and this is a fact, once you come to realize this you will understand why your logic will support yllus' stance more than any other (that is, no religion should be accepted) I will continue to "dare" stating this fact regarding terrorist/militia groups of other religious backing simply because it's far less daring and offensive to state this FACT than spew irrelevant propaganda like "Nobody should convert to Islam"
"Islam, by definition (and design), cannot coexist with another. It is as simple as that"
I'm sorry, but this statement totally sounds like it came out a Daniel Pipes briefing on why Islam is the evil of the world, LOL. There are PLENTY of historical examples of Muslim tolerance and acceptance, including Spain, where Muslims tolerated and respected the members of other religions under their rule. There are Muslims in China, they are coexisting peacefully with the people there. There are Muslims in Canada, they are coexisting peacefully with the people there. The list goes on and on. There is a Muslim club in my college, they have peaceful discussions and interactions with all the other clubs on campus. If the religion, as you suggest, is so vehemently opposed to interaction and existence with those who do not follow the faith, then how is is that these Muslims around the world live peacefully without any aggression towards others? Perhaps they're just fake Muslims? Or maybe it's your own school teachings and culture's seemingly negative perception of Muslims that is creeping into your thoughts
Peace
Originally posted by: Atif
"but for people earlier on, like Atif or whatever to even dare say that there are Christian, Hindu, buddhist terror groups, is ridiculous."
I never specifically cited Buddhist terrorist groups, because I don't know any off the top of my head, but it is a FACT that there are Christian and Hindu terrorist groups - yes - that carry out, in a militaristic fashion what they perceive to be the commandments of their respective religious books. To say that 'there are' simply means that they EXIST, if you choose to deny this fact because you don't want to believe it, that's a whole other discussion. They DO exist, and this is a fact, once you come to realize this you will understand why your logic will support yllus' stance more than any other (that is, no religion should be accepted) I will continue to "dare" stating this fact regarding terrorist/militia groups of other religious backing simply because it's far less daring and offensive to state this FACT than spew irrelevant propaganda like "Nobody should convert to Islam"
"Islam, by definition (and design), cannot coexist with another. It is as simple as that"
I'm sorry, but this statement totally sounds like it came out a Daniel Pipes briefing on why Islam is the evil of the world, LOL. There are PLENTY of historical examples of Muslim tolerance and acceptance, including Spain, where Muslims tolerated and respected the members of other religions under their rule. There are Muslims in China, they are coexisting peacefully with the people there. There are Muslims in Canada, they are coexisting peacefully with the people there. The list goes on and on. There is a Muslim club in my college, they have peaceful discussions and interactions with all the other clubs on campus. If the religion, as you suggest, is so vehemently opposed to interaction and existence with those who do not follow the faith, then how is is that these Muslims around the world live peacefully without any aggression towards others? Perhaps they're just fake Muslims?
Peace
Atif, again, please provide me with a reliable source proving Hindu and Christian terror groups. Religious terror groups as I defined in an earlier post, not just religious fanatics. Show me some reliable source, i'll believe you. And even if you find 1 or 2, that doesn't make up for the fact that there are hundreds, if not thousands of Islamist terror groups.
lol, too bad no one takes enough Anthropology courses to get rid of the ethnocentrism that's overly abundant.
Clash of cultures, what do you expect?
As for the OP, that's not too cool but we probably have spies doing the same too. It's what you should expect from modern warfare. We already have a kill/death ratio of 100/1 so I doubt this would really cause much damage.
Clash of cultures, what do you expect?
As for the OP, that's not too cool but we probably have spies doing the same too. It's what you should expect from modern warfare. We already have a kill/death ratio of 100/1 so I doubt this would really cause much damage.
thelink in your sig is really scared specially the part on Teaching Children to Aspire Death for Allah
Actually, the guy hasn't helped anyone. He was trying to get in contact with Al Qaeda, but he did not make contact. His Lawyer will get the boy off with very little time served if any.
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