Traitor: Soldier caught helping Al Qaeda

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Gyrene

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Hmmm...I've figured out what to do. Let's just strap him up as my target silhouette for qualifications practice.

/tries in vain to switch this thread off of the religion tangent
 

SherEPunjab

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Originally posted by: Atif
^ Are you serious? LOL. And yourself shouting out "Nobody should convert to Islam." THIS is a VERY founded statement, with heaps of non-biased factual backing? Oh my. Please don't try and link a story about a traitor (who again, deserves to be punished for what he was trying to do) with an ill-founded belief that all Muslims are out to kill those not of the Islamic faith. You want to see what ethnic cleansing is? Look at what was done TO the Muslims by the Bosnians in the mid 1990s, done TO to the Muslims by the Serbians in Kosovo several years ago, and what was being done to the Muslim civilian population in Iraq during the embargo by way of depleted uranium shells dropped in Iraqi deserts. If you don't believe the photo evidence of that, then please ask people like my Uncle who returned from service in the Desert Storm operation and are now suffering from Desert Storm/Gulf War syndrome, side-effects of the depleted uranium and other radioactive substances soldiers were exposed to in that operation.

Peace

Ever heard of the KLA? Yes, what the Serbians did was wrong, but the Albanians (together with U.S. support), killed, raped, and tortured probably worse than the Serbians did in retaliation. Not only that, they went ahead and killed off Gypsies, and other minorities on the side. Pakistan went to support the Albanians, why? Just because they are Muslim? Why did Iraq and Hussein cheer when Pakistan tested Nuclear weapons? He said he was happy a "Islamic nation" has it. Why do they persist on making every little thing a religious issue, instead of separating it from political ones? Whats up with Madrassas, teaching hatred and just the quran? We've all see the videos of the kids banging their heads against the quran memorizing it as if their life depended on it. WTF?

What happened to Science, Arts, Humanities? Go to Russia. The Mafia rackets are run by Chechens. Go to Italy, or Central European nations, there the Albanians bring over drugs, prostitution, and organized crime. I'm not the ones saying this. Talk to Romans, talk to Russians, they'll tell you this.

Some of the comments later on saying that all of them are bad is stupid. Yes, I totally agree there are good and bad seeds in every camp, I'm not saying all Muslims are bad. What I am saying though, is that an overwhelming proportion of the terror groups are those who, if nothing else, claim to be based on protecting Islam, and killing Kaffirs. There is a disproportiate amount of hate groups from people of that religion. You cannot possibly try to compare this to the worlds other major religions. I have Muslim friends and acquaintances, and even westen minded, educated ones from good families still make statements like "jews are behind these attacks, etc. etc." Ridiculous. They need to take responsibility for their actions.


btw, thanks for hijacking my thread (no pun intended) :).
 

SherEPunjab

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Originally posted by: yukichigai
screw the muslims. how many religions these days have schools dedicated to teaching their kids to hate and kill?

At least 8 factions of every major religion out there. (Christianity included. Can we say "abortion clinic bombings"?) The only reason the Muslim factions are so high-publicity is because they just flat out hate America. (Not all Muslims, just the whack-job extremists)

Anyway, I actually heard about this on NPR. (Local radio has gotten so bad NPR is more enjoyable) Sucks for him. Of course you have to wonder exactly how much information he could have possibly given being in the National Guard. :p


... America, and Russia, and Israel, and India, and China...
 

yukichigai

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I would just like to mention that other parts of the world consider our fundamentalist violent christian anti-abortion groups terrorists as well. Don't be blind to the problems at home folks.
 

yukichigai

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Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: yukichigai
screw the muslims. how many religions these days have schools dedicated to teaching their kids to hate and kill?

At least 8 factions of every major religion out there. (Christianity included. Can we say "abortion clinic bombings"?) The only reason the Muslim factions are so high-publicity is because they just flat out hate America. (Not all Muslims, just the whack-job extremists)

Anyway, I actually heard about this on NPR. (Local radio has gotten so bad NPR is more enjoyable) Sucks for him. Of course you have to wonder exactly how much information he could have possibly given being in the National Guard. :p


... America, and Russia, and Israel, and India, and China...

It's kind of funny; if you take America out of that list and replace it with "The Middle East" you have a fairly accurate list of what many violent christian groups hate.

Aww, nobody loves Russia. :p
 

Feldenak

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Well...this thread has turned for the worst and should be shuffled off to that flamefest known as the P&N forum.
 

SherEPunjab

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Originally posted by: yukichigai
I would just like to mention that other parts of the world consider our fundamentalist violent christian anti-abortion groups terrorists as well. Don't be blind to the problems at home folks.

For the record, I think of them as terrorists too. But compare that with the 1,000 or more Al-blah blahs, or Blah-Al-Ansars, or Blah-Al-Mujahideens, and it pales in comparison....
 

MrColin

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Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Why did we arrest him? Wouldn't a friendly fire "accident" be enough? You know, have him do somthing in the middle of an open field and have a tank crew just kind of shoot him by accident? Then arrest the tank crew and quietly never charge them, returning them to duty. Maybe quietly promote them.
:D I like.

Surely they thought of that in 'stan but they probably wnated to have him "interrogated" by some specialists, y'know, with jumper-cables.
 

katka

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What should a guy do in this case? If he told the US the was a conscientious objector because of religion they would have laughed and shipped him to fight and or die anyway. When the truth is ignored you get people who take revenge or do what they feel is right no matter the consequence. I am surprised that it hasn't been more. I am not up for a debate tonight, but this war was wrong to begin with.

The truth of the matter is that 9/11 happened because of bad Immigration Screening/Monitoring and bitterness in response to Foreign Policy. The Middle Eastern Peoples who were responsible for 9/11 died right along with the people that they allegedly killed. Osama is NOT responsible. I don't care if he told them to jump off a bridge, the fact that they were consenting adults makes them and them only responsible. The US is wasting billions of dollars on Mars and chasing Osama for no good reason. Osama didn't fly the plane and he is not responsible. Is the Government responsible when the person that they sent to school with financial aid then uses the knowledge to make a bomb and kill people. Most would say absolutely not.

Sadam did NOT have Weapons of Mass Destruction and the war shouldn't have happened. Sadam did use chemical weapons on Iran, but guess where they came from? Yes, the US. The US used him to fight with Iran and then stabbed him in the back. The WMD problem should have been left for the UN to monitor, but lies were told so that the US could have its way.

The truth of the matter is that the changes that have since took place because of 9/11 have robbed Americans of their Civil Liberties. But people are just sitting around with their patriotism and their heads in the sand pretending that it is not so.

If Sadam is wrong to bully people because he can, why is the US not wrong when they do the same doggone thing.

I served honorably in the Military for almost 5 years (heart problem had to get out) in the military so I don't want to hear this unpatriotic BS as it does not pertain to me. It is one thing to be patriotic, it is another to be blind, dumb, and stupid when it is obvious who is wrong in this case. I am NOT of Middle Eastern disent either. It is not US against Iraq, it is about right and wrong.

Nope I am not confused. I know that this thread is about Treason, but my point is that Treason doesn't just happen. It is generally a reaction to a bigger problem. No matter how he is punished some american wife, mother, child, dad is not going to see their loved one again.
 

StormRider

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Originally posted by: yukichigai
I would just like to mention that other parts of the world consider our fundamentalist violent christian anti-abortion groups terrorists as well. Don't be blind to the problems at home folks.

But the number of abortion bombings are small compared to the level of violence brought on by Islamic terrorists....
 
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Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
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Nobody should convert to Islam.

This is what, the 2nd or 3rd time we have come across these traitors?
Nobody should convert to any religion. Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, it's all the same ours-is-true-yours-is-not nonsense. Islam is just the current pick of the militantly ignorant.

Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroshtrian-ism, Bahais, don't preach such nonsense. they don't proletyize (sp?), they don't say you will burn in hell if you aren't such and such, or that you SHOULD die if you are not such and such.

dude, hindus are known for killing their baby's for being born female.. I'm not pointing fingers at hindus- EVERY religion is fvcked.
 

yukichigai

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Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: yukichigai
I would just like to mention that other parts of the world consider our fundamentalist violent christian anti-abortion groups terrorists as well. Don't be blind to the problems at home folks.

But the number of abortion bombings are small compared to the level of violence brought on by Islamic terrorists....

Abortion bombings in particular, yeah. But if you take a look at every bit of fundamentalist christian terrorism and compare it to the aforementioned Islamic terrorism I suspect, per capita, the figures are fairly close.
 

HOWITIS

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religon is the real great evil set upon the world. it turns sain people into maniacs.
 

SherEPunjab

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Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: yllus
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
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Nobody should convert to Islam.

This is what, the 2nd or 3rd time we have come across these traitors?
Nobody should convert to any religion. Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, it's all the same ours-is-true-yours-is-not nonsense. Islam is just the current pick of the militantly ignorant.

Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroshtrian-ism, Bahais, don't preach such nonsense. they don't proletyize (sp?), they don't say you will burn in hell if you aren't such and such, or that you SHOULD die if you are not such and such.

dude, hindus are known for killing their baby's for being born female.. I'm not pointing fingers at hindus- EVERY religion is fvcked.

DUDE, poor people of every faith do that.... DUDE.... its the sad economics of life...


 

SherEPunjab

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Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: StormRider
Originally posted by: yukichigai
I would just like to mention that other parts of the world consider our fundamentalist violent christian anti-abortion groups terrorists as well. Don't be blind to the problems at home folks.

But the number of abortion bombings are small compared to the level of violence brought on by Islamic terrorists....

Abortion bombings in particular, yeah. But if you take a look at every bit of fundamentalist christian terrorism and compare it to the aforementioned Islamic terrorism I suspect, per capita, the figures are fairly close.

examples please.

edit: this thread is jacked
 

SherEPunjab

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Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: tantos
Are there even militant Buddhists out there?

Millitant Buddhists

Ironically, even halfway down THIS page it mentions John Allen MOHAMMED.

PSA TO THIS FORUM... PUNJABIS HISTORICALLY HATE MUSLIMS..

1) Click on link here...... check.
2) Scroll down to Religions: Read Percentage that are Muslim.... check.
3) Scroll to Ethnic Groups: Read Breakdown.... check.
4) Hit yourself on your head for being and idiot. Repeat.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: katka
Nope I am not confused. I know that this thread is about Treason, but my point is that Treason doesn't just happen. It is generally a reaction to a bigger problem. No matter how he is punished some american wife, mother, child, dad is not going to see their loved one again.

He violated the UCMJ. Therefore, he will suffer the consequences of his decision. If that means some american wife, mother, child, dad will no longer see their loved one, then so be it.

On a personal note, I believe anyone who would help al-Qaeda is a piece of sh*t.
 
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Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: tantos
Are there even militant Buddhists out there?

Millitant Buddhists

Ironically, even halfway down THIS page it mentions John Allen MOHAMMED.

PSA TO THIS FORUM... PUNJABIS HISTORICALLY HATE MUSLIMS..

1) Click on link here...... check.
2) Scroll down to Religions: Read Percentage that are Muslim.... check.
3) Scroll to Ethnic Groups: Read Breakdown.... check.
4) Hit yourself on your head for being and idiot. Repeat.

I'm talking about Sikhs.. And, yes.. You're a dildo... check..
 

SherEPunjab

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Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: tantos
Are there even militant Buddhists out there?

Millitant Buddhists

Ironically, even halfway down THIS page it mentions John Allen MOHAMMED.

PSA TO THIS FORUM... PUNJABIS HISTORICALLY HATE MUSLIMS..

1) Click on link here...... check.
2) Scroll down to Religions: Read Percentage that are Muslim.... check.
3) Scroll to Ethnic Groups: Read Breakdown.... check.
4) Hit yourself on your head for being and idiot. Repeat.

I'm talking about Sikhs.. And, yes.. You're a dildo... check..

uhh.... good comeback? :confused:

Sikhism is a religion, Punjabis are an ethnicity. For the record, they can be Indian, Pakistani, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, or Christian.
 

xenocyd3

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if you picked buddhism, i laught at ur ass... if u do anything wrong they make u kneel at some tree and start praying to the tree lol
 

darren

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i havent posted for a while but just had to for this one.

too many reactionary bigots. i am disgusted with sherepunjab.