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Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises
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CADsortaGUY
Lifer
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CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Why don't you go read the site before commenting on it? I know that's not really your thing, but try it for once.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
I did morAn. They have 0 in the "promises broken" like I stated. He has broken that promise. I'm not going to sift through 500 to see if they have it. The fact remains - he broke his promise and it's not listed as broken on that site.
Obviously you didn't. That promise is listed on the site, and if you took even a cursory look at it like I did, you would see their position on it. Then again, you're CAD.
Even after you eventually stop throwing a shit fit and go read about it, you will come back and declare the site biased, stupid, or whatever, because... well... you're CAD.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Then what number is it? I'm not going to look through 500 because obviously they have it wrong(or it isn't up to date) because there is no doubt that he has not kept his promise when he repeatedly stated ?They won?t work in my White House!? when he was on the campaign trail.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
:laugh: #240 - "compromise"? :roll: What a load of BS. He repeatedly stated ?They won?t work in my White House!? when on the campaign trail. Just because he "nuanced" the lobbyist position a couple times later does not mean he didn't break his promise. He broke his promise - period.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Yes yes, we all know you can't accept FACTS when it comes to BHO. But surely you can start with this one. The FACTS are right there - BHO's own words - ?They won?t work in my White House!? multiple times. But hey, keep denying reality if you wish.
There, there CAD. There, there. Your ODS is already showing. You're not going to make it 4 years if you keep going like this, and then who would I make fun of? You complete me.
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Lifer
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I don't think raising capital gains taxes should be considered a campaign "promise." Is anyone going to care if he "breaks" that promise? Obviously raising that tax was intended to offset some increased spending, or some other tax break, or to just reduce the deficit. If circumstances change and he's able to accomplish his goals without raising capital gains taxes, I don't think that should count against him.
The reality is he probably won't raise it - at least for the next few years - because of the economy. I think of campaign promises as positive things he says he's going to do, not negative things that he says he needs to do. Semantically they may both be promises, but for all practical purposes the positive things matter, and the negative things don't so much. If I promise to punch you and I break that promise, you're not going to complain.
The reality is he probably won't raise it - at least for the next few years - because of the economy. I think of campaign promises as positive things he says he's going to do, not negative things that he says he needs to do. Semantically they may both be promises, but for all practical purposes the positive things matter, and the negative things don't so much. If I promise to punch you and I break that promise, you're not going to complain.
They listed it as compromise because he made one or two exceptions, out of hundreds of staffers, because it was deemed in the public's interest. So the spirit of the promise has been kept thus far and they are giving him the benefit of the doubt that these exceptions had to be made, but if he seems to be abusing the waivers they will turn it into promise broken.
Of course you'd know that if you read it, and agree with it if you weren't a rabid partisan.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
:roll: you can try to make this about me if you wish and try some BS of "ODS" but the truth is - I know he won't keep his promises and his pledge regarding lobbyists is just one of them he didn't keep so far. Pointing that out is not ODS. Try looking at reality for once and you just might see the truth.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
No, they didn't really even list his promise - just the nuanced crap that came much later - which he still didn't keep and thus they claim it's a "compromise" because he wanted to nuance it even more with exceptions.
Can anyone here accept the truth of his campaign pledge of ?They won?t work in my White House!? or is everyone going to slobknob and play apologist?
Before the first vote was cast, the "nuanced crap" was his promise. Here is a link with the quote you keep referring to:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7411.html
Dec 2007.
Also, this site isn't pro-Obama. If you look they are going to make "broken promises" out of things Congress refuses (see the "stalled" category), which in my opinion might not be fair since it implies he lied in the campaign and reversed his position when really he just couldn't get it done. Could be a broken promise, could be a separate category.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
:roll: he went all over iowa stating ?They won?t work in my White House!? - without him winning iowa he likely wouldn't have swept through many other states in the primaries. So can I assume you can atleast admit he broke his promise of ?They won?t work in my White House!??
So can't he do this exact same thing with his other promises? Wouldn't they all be "compromises" then? Seems pretty clear that some people will never admit the truth. meh... par for the course with the BHO fluffers.
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