Track Car Suggestions

[agent00f]

A little comment about beater racing:

95% of the teams in Lemons/Chump could care less about winning. It's mostly nOObs in ill-prepared, unsorted cars getting cheep track time
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There are people that show up with real race cars. And there are people that know what they're doing. We've raced against Jeg Coughlin, Randy Propst, Tony Schumacher, and Prat & Miller among others.

We had a Honda CRX Si with $11K in it. Stuff like coil overs, Acura 11 inch brakes and NASCAR dry break fuel system . It was a completely sorted and winning car driven by people with experience in professional road racing cars (IMSA, Rolex Daytona Prototype).

Just sayin'

There are certainly those teams as mentioned, and that's probably the way to go to some extent to get into an enduro for cheap as possible, but the problem of driving the same tarmac as people who don't know how to pilot a dangerous weapon very well still exists. There's supposedly some orgs now that are trying to find some middle ground to filter out the riff raff but still keep costs under control.

Anything 4th and below wasn't going to win in that race.

The differences could be regional. we raced in the Midwest mostly, and once in West Palm Beach Fl..

The main reason fields get bunched up sometimes is if nobody bothered to bring better tires, or they all mostly suck equally in other ways. Teams which habitually last the whole race are also generally smart enough to take it easier if they're doing well.

 

[jlee]

Anything 4th and below wasn't going to win in that race.

The differences could be regional. we raced in the Midwest mostly, and once in West Palm Beach Fl..

False. An extra four minutes in fueling and driver change times would change things. That's not a whole lot of time over a 14 hour race.

 

[agent00f]

False. An extra four minutes in fueling and driver change times would change things. That's not a whole lot of time over a 14 hour race.

Think about this a little bit before posting. The top cars in that or similar lists are completely differing classes, so why would they be even close in contention barring some greater extraneous circumstances? I'll leave it to you to figure out what those may be, with numerous hints already dropped above.

 

[jlee]

Think about this a little bit before posting. The top cars in that or similar lists are completely differing classes, so why would they be even close in contention barring some greater extraneous circumstances? I'll leave it to you to figure out what those may be, with numerous hints already dropped above.

Maybe when you spend more than 15 minutes at a time on a race track, and actually have to stop for fueling and driver changes, you'll have some relevant thoughts to add to this discussion.

As of now, you're simply spewing a bunch of useless blather.

 

[agent00f]

Maybe when you spend more than 15 minutes at a time on a race track, and actually have to stop for fueling and driver changes, you'll have some relevant thoughts to add to this discussion.

As of now, you're simply spewing a bunch of useless blather.

Just fyi there are endurance event for karts or such, too. People just race more conservatively and what skill differences tend to be amplified which isn't terribly fun in itself; that's probably why they're not more popular. And I suspect getting in and out of cars or fueling is something most drivers have some experience with.

Worth noting that karts were basically created as the cheapest possible way to develop fast driving/racing skills. Try to give those creators and other participants some credit that they weren't too stupid to consider if crappy cars were a better alternative.

Having fun with car or even driving culture is good and all, but it's not really the same thing as the competitive endeavor.