Toyota passes Ford in U.S. sales in 2007

[steppinthrax]

Good for Toyota. And after everyone trying to say Toyota's quality is going down the tubes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22488803/

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Good for Toyota. And after everyone trying to say Toyota's quality is going down the tubes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22488803/

Right, because sales are directly tied to current quality of vehicles, lol. If they were, then the domestic manufacturers would've fallen loooooong ago instead of it just happening now.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Good for Toyota. And after everyone trying to say Toyota's quality is going down the tubes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22488803/

Even if their quality is going down the tubes, their sales won't necessarily follow. There are many that will never buy anything else.

 

[steppinthrax]

It's interesting though no one has anything nice to say about this in regards to toyota except the fact that it's some sort of anamoly. Ford is an American Car manufacture that have been manufacturing cars longer then Toyota. They in general have many many of America's first cars. Their name is family known in this country. But yet they are suffering on sales. Are you saying the 48,226 more people who bought toyota or even families that made the largest financial decision next to a house are stupid!!!!!!

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
Good for Toyota. And after everyone trying to say Toyota's quality is going down the tubes.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22488803/

Right, because sales are directly tied to current quality of vehicles, lol. If they were, then the domestic manufacturers would've fallen loooooong ago instead of it just happening now.

When you have notthing else what can you do.

I.E. Verizon is the only cheap ISP in my area that can provide broadband. Verizon sucks ass. I hate them. But I don't want to pay double for comcast. If someone else existed I would pay them instead.

Also I think it took a long time for Americans to realize.

 

[thedarkwolf]

And why are you so happy about it? Its not a good thing unless you live in Japan.

 

[BlackTigers]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
And why are you so happy about it? Its not a good thing unless you live in Japan.

I believe this guy is one of the biggest Toyota fanboys I've seen on these forums. I'll go find the posts I'm referring to in a second.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
And why are you so happy about it? Its not a good thing unless you live in Japan.

I don't know, but I like them for their practicality. Despite the lack of "passion" and whatnot, once you get into it, toyotas are designed very... well.

The storage spaces are nice and big, the noise is low(the new camry is as quiet at idle as an S class and at highway speeds as a phantom), the acceleration is top in the class,the suspension is...comfortable to say the least, power and fuel economy are good, the ergonomics are good and controls make sense and the details, my god the devil's details and for the most part, it's really, really nice.

My Gen 5 2002 camry has soft touch surfaces everywhere, the seats have held up over about 90k miles with no visible wear, the panel fit is even and tight,the bumpers and fenders leave no room for even a sheet of paper to fit between them, reliability is good, it's easy to drive, easy to park, visibility is excellent... i mean I could go on and on.

I love driving as quickly as any other guy(I have a motorbike for that) but on public roads, when yo're not driving like a giant douchebag or Zane in his acclude, I dont believe theres any difference between the dynamics of a camry and 3 series, except that the 3 series isnt as relaxing and comfortable, and after a long day of class and work and stress, I want to just sit back and chill.

I :heart: all he toyota vehicles I've owned.
1 Tercel
2 Camrys
1 MR2 Spyders
1 Lexus SC400
<-Toyota fan

 

[MiataNC]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
And why are you so happy about it? Its not a good thing unless you live in Japan.

It's a global economy.

Toyota employs more than 36,000 people in the US. That doesn't count people working at dealerships that are not technically employed by Toyota.

How is the success of Toyota not good for America or Americans?

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
It's interesting though no one has anything nice to say about this in regards to toyota except the fact that it's some sort of anamoly. Ford is an American Car manufacture that have been manufacturing cars longer then Toyota. They in general have many many of America's first cars. Their name is family known in this country. But yet they are suffering on sales. Are you saying the 48,226 more people who bought toyota or even families that made the largest financial decision next to a house are stupid!!!!!!

So what if Ford has been around forever. They've been producing crap for the past ~30 years. Even if they are now picking up their game in terms of quality the public has already taken notice if it's previous short comings. It will take a while before the public notices that Toyota's quality has been taking huge hits lately. Those of us who are on top of automotive news won't have a problem here, but the general public takes decades to catch on. I'm all for Toyota having the #1 spots as long as they don't bitch and moan when they're now the target of the media and special interest groups.

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: MiataNC

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
And why are you so happy about it? Its not a good thing unless you live in Japan.

It's a global economy.

Toyota employs more than 36,000 people in the US. That doesn't count people working at dealerships that are not technically employed by Toyota.

How is the success of Toyota not good for America or Americans?

And how many does Ford employ? Its the rooting against Ford, Chevy and Chrysler people that get on my nerves. I don't care if you like/drive Toyota or other imports but to get giddy every time something bad happens to one of the home teams seems odd.

 

[senseamp]

Good for Toyota, bad for America.

 

[MiataNC]

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
And how many does Ford employ? Its the rooting against Ford, Chevy and Chrysler people that get on my nerves. I don't care if you like/drive Toyota or other imports but to get giddy every time something bad happens to one of the home teams seems odd.

The domestics have brought the "hate" upon themselves. Producing inferior products and relying on "patriotism" (despite the fact they produce out of Canada and Mexico) and customer loyalty instead of stepping up and producing competitively reliable products over the past 40 years.

The worm has turned. Customer loyalty is now something the imports can claim, and it is showing in increasing sales and return sales despite the fact the US automakers have improved over the past 10 years.

I love Ford. My Miata and Mazda3 have Ford engineering in them, and I think it makes them better products. I have my dad's '65 Fastback in my garage that I am slowly restoring. I am not a hater. I am just a realist.

 

[maddogchen]

i foresee a difficult year ahead for American car makers. I don't think they can avoid the inevitable, that Toyota will be the king this year. My favorite car company is still Honda though.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: MiataNC

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
And how many does Ford employ? Its the rooting against Ford, Chevy and Chrysler people that get on my nerves. I don't care if you like/drive Toyota or other imports but to get giddy every time something bad happens to one of the home teams seems odd.

The domestics have brought the "hate" upon themselves. Producing inferior products and relying on "patriotism" (despite the fact they produce out of Canada and Mexico) and customer loyalty instead of stepping up and producing competitively reliable products over the past 40 years.

The worm has turned. Customer loyalty is now something the imports can claim, and it is showing in increasing sales and return sales despite the fact the US automakers have improved over the past 10 years.

I love Ford. My Miata and Mazda3 have Ford engineering in them, and I think it makes them better products. I have my dad's '65 Fastback in my garage that I am slowly restoring. I am not a hater. I am just a realist.

In case you haven't been paying attention, the Domestics (except Chrysler) have been putting out some really good stuff lately, some might argue class leading. And for the record Foreign automakers also produce produce in Mexico and Canada, it's not just the domestics. And what's more pathetic? A domestic company claiming patriotism while producing some products outside the U.S. Or a Foreign company claiming patriotism while while producing some products inside the U.S.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
It's interesting though no one has anything nice to say about this in regards to toyota except the fact that it's some sort of anamoly. Ford is an American Car manufacture that have been manufacturing cars longer then Toyota. They in general have many many of America's first cars. Their name is family known in this country. But yet they are suffering on sales. Are you saying the 48,226 more people who bought toyota or even families that made the largest financial decision next to a house are stupid!!!!!!

The fact that a lot of people do something does not make that something an intelligent decision.

Ford has indeed been manufacturing cars longer than Toyota. However, Toyota has well over 80 years of manufacturing experience (founded in 1926, automobile section spun-off in 1937) and building cars does not require decades of a company's existence in any case as the relevant engineering expertise can be purchased on the open market. The "Ford has been building cars longer and should know more" argument is invalid.

I have absolutely no idea what you mean by, "They in general have many many of America's first cars." Please re-phrase this claim.

Toyota's name is also "family known in this country". Again, your argument is invalid.

Are you saying the 48,226 more people who bought toyota or even families that made the largest financial decision next to a house are stupid!!!!!!

Yes, just like almost everyone who buys a car. Very few people make a fully-reasoned decision when they buy a car. They simply buy based on their gut instinct. Buying a Toyota is not, in itself, stupid, but neither is buying a Ford.

ZV

 

[MiataNC]

Originally posted by: Ktulu
In case you haven't been paying attention, the Domestics (except Chrysler) have been putting out some really good stuff lately, some might argue class leading.

Were you paying attention between @1972-1995? My parents, grandparents, and many other relatives got burned so bad by the crap the Big 3 put out, they won't go back. Honda/Toyota/Mazda have their loyalty now. Based on sales numbers my family is not unique in that.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: MiataNC

Originally posted by: Ktulu
In case you haven't been paying attention, the Domestics (except Chrysler) have been putting out some really good stuff lately, some might argue class leading.

Were you paying attention between @1972-1995? My parents, grandparents, and many other relatives got burned so bad by the crap the Big 3 put out, they won't go back. Honda/Toyota/Mazda have their loyalty now. Based on sales numbers my family is not unique in that.

I'm paying attention NOW.......
New Malibu
New CTS
Ford Fusion
New Silverado/Sierra
Ford F150
New Tahoe/Yukon/Escalade
New Astra
New G8
New Domestic Hybrids
and the list goes on and on....


It seems you sir are looking in the past. The time frame you reference just happens to be among the Domestics worst. They gotten far better as of late.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: BlackTigers91

Originally posted by: thedarkwolf
And why are you so happy about it? Its not a good thing unless you live in Japan.

I believe this guy is one of the biggest Toyota fanboys I've seen on these forums. I'll go find the posts I'm referring to in a second.

him and marin county.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Good for Toyota, bad for America.

We are in control on what comes into this country. We accept the ability to compete with foreign automakers. We did this to ourselves. Producing a more inferior product and letting our imported competition who we let into our house kick us out. It's the same way with everything else that gets imported into the US. As well as outsourced labor.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: senseamp
Good for Toyota, bad for America.

We are in control on what comes into this country. We accept the ability to compete with foreign automakers. We did this to ourselves. Producing a more inferior product and letting our imported competition who we let into our house kick us out. It's the same way with everything else that gets imported into the US. As well as outsourced labor.

They've far from kicked us out.

 

[steppinthrax]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
It's interesting though no one has anything nice to say about this in regards to toyota except the fact that it's some sort of anamoly. Ford is an American Car manufacture that have been manufacturing cars longer then Toyota. They in general have many many of America's first cars. Their name is family known in this country. But yet they are suffering on sales. Are you saying the 48,226 more people who bought toyota or even families that made the largest financial decision next to a house are stupid!!!!!!

The fact that a lot of people do something does not make that something an intelligent decision.

Ford has indeed been manufacturing cars longer than Toyota. However, Toyota has well over 80 years of manufacturing experience (founded in 1926, automobile section spun-off in 1937) and building cars does not require decades of a company's existence in any case as the relevant engineering expertise can be purchased on the open market. The "Ford has been building cars longer and should know more" argument is invalid.

I have absolutely no idea what you mean by, "They in general have many many of America's first cars." Please re-phrase this claim.

Toyota's name is also "family known in this country". Again, your argument is invalid.

Are you saying the 48,226 more people who bought toyota or even families that made the largest financial decision next to a house are stupid!!!!!!

Yes, just like almost everyone who buys a car. Very few people make a fully-reasoned decision when they buy a car. They simply buy based on their gut instinct. Buying a Toyota is not, in itself, stupid, but neither is buying a Ford.

ZV

The fact that a lot of people do something does not make that something an intelligent decision.

So what are you saying? Are you supposed to be saying anything? How did Toyota surpass Ford for the first time in 75 years? You have no suggestions. All your suggesting is someone is putting a gun to the consumer's head "Buy a Toyota Now". Other's who have posted have suggested the obvious. Consumers who are buying Toyota over Ford are making an education decision based on the obvious unreliable history of Ford.

Yes, just like almost everyone who buys a car. Very few people make a fully-reasoned decision when they buy a car. They simply buy based on their gut instinct. Buying a Toyota is not, in itself, stupid, but neither is buying a Ford.

I highly doubt this. For the average American the automobile is probably the most expensive one-time-purchase decision next to a house. You make it sound like people buy cars like they buy candy. I think this in this case the obvious staring you right in the face but you refuse to face the facts.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
It's interesting though no one has anything nice to say about this in regards to toyota except the fact that it's some sort of anamoly. Ford is an American Car manufacture that have been manufacturing cars longer then Toyota. They in general have many many of America's first cars. Their name is family known in this country. But yet they are suffering on sales. Are you saying the 48,226 more people who bought toyota or even families that made the largest financial decision next to a house are stupid!!!!!!

The fact that a lot of people do something does not make that something an intelligent decision.

Ford has indeed been manufacturing cars longer than Toyota. However, Toyota has well over 80 years of manufacturing experience (founded in 1926, automobile section spun-off in 1937) and building cars does not require decades of a company's existence in any case as the relevant engineering expertise can be purchased on the open market. The "Ford has been building cars longer and should know more" argument is invalid.

I have absolutely no idea what you mean by, "They in general have many many of America's first cars." Please re-phrase this claim.

Toyota's name is also "family known in this country". Again, your argument is invalid.

Are you saying the 48,226 more people who bought toyota or even families that made the largest financial decision next to a house are stupid!!!!!!

Yes, just like almost everyone who buys a car. Very few people make a fully-reasoned decision when they buy a car. They simply buy based on their gut instinct. Buying a Toyota is not, in itself, stupid, but neither is buying a Ford.

ZV

The fact that a lot of people do something does not make that something an intelligent decision.

So what are you saying? Are you supposed to be saying anything? How did Toyota surpass Ford for the first time in 75 years? You have no suggestions. All your suggesting is someone is putting a gun to the consumer's head "Buy a Toyota Now". Other's who have posted have suggested the obvious. Consumers who are buying Toyota over Ford are making an education decision based on the obvious unreliable history of Ford.

Yes, just like almost everyone who buys a car. Very few people make a fully-reasoned decision when they buy a car. They simply buy based on their gut instinct. Buying a Toyota is not, in itself, stupid, but neither is buying a Ford.

I highly doubt this. For the average American the automobile is probably the most expensive one-time-purchase decision next to a house. You make it sound like people buy cars like they buy candy. I think this in this case the obvious staring you right in the face but you refuse to face the facts.

I think you give the general public too much credit when it comes to buying cars. Most people go buy hearsay or anecdotal stories when it comes to making decisions about cars or anything else. Very few people actual researches anymore and if they do any sort of research is what colors does the cars come in or what kind of discounts can they get.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax

Originally posted by: senseamp
Good for Toyota, bad for America.

We are in control on what comes into this country. We accept the ability to compete with foreign automakers. We did this to ourselves. Producing a more inferior product and letting our imported competition who we let into our house kick us out. It's the same way with everything else that gets imported into the US. As well as outsourced labor.

We did do it to ourselves, no doubt about it.
Partly by allowing Japan to subsidize its automakers by currency manipulation and outright protectionism while we continue to play fair trade game.

 

[dud]

I am not surprised ...

What I am surprised about is that Consumer Reports recommends avoiding the Camry V6 because of falling quality.