'Top kill' plugs gulf oil leak, official says (FAILED)

[ElFenix]

take it up with bfdd, he's the one who brought up the fines
plus you right wingers are the first in line to blame Obama and the government for not fixing this, be consistent.

quote a lefty and become a right winger, eh? i suppose that's how it works around here.

i'm not blaming obama for not fixing this. like i said, the .gov has very little capability in this area, nor would i expect them to do so. for fixing the well, you'd have to be a moron to think this is something obama can do anything more than using the bully pulpit of the office. i'm not entirely certain how effect that has been because i think BP and the oil industry would have brought all their knowledge and resources to bear on the situation at the well anyway.

now, what the .gov can do is coordinate cleanup efforts. and if it isn't satisfied it can always threaten more (the threat, even unspoken, is why companies that have nothing to do with the spill are out there assisting).

 

[bfdd]

take it up with bfdd, he's the one who brought up the fines
plus you right wingers are the first in line to blame Obama and the government for not fixing this, be consistent.

the reason i brought up the fines is because they are massive for even the littlest infractions they are enough of a "boot on the neck" to keep BP in check to fix this. not to mention one of their refineries that does about 210k -250k barrels a day makes a billion plus PROFIT a year, losing roughly half that amount a day is hurting their numbers by tens of millions.

 

[JSt0rm]

the reason i brought up the fines is because they are massive for even the littlest infractions they are enough of a "boot on the neck" to keep BP in check to fix this. not to mention one of their refineries that does about 210k -250k barrels a day makes a billion plus PROFIT a year, losing roughly half that amount a day is hurting their numbers by tens of millions.

ummm. The fines are capped at 75 million and they arent really losing any oil. That thing they tapped can pump 500k barrels a day for 15 years...

 

[Mark R]

Shredded tires I can understand... but why golf balls? How did they come up with golf balls?

I don't think they're actually golf balls - but that's what all the press is reporting.

They're probably 'ball sealers' - Link - although they're probably golf ball size and probably similar in strength and compressibility.

 

[ElFenix]

ummm. The fines are capped at 75 million and they arent really losing any oil. That thing they tapped can pump 500k barrels a day for 15 years...

the commonly-discussed 75 million dollar cap is for consequential economic damages for acts of god, war, or terrorism. i'm not aware of a cap for fines.

the well would not be capable of a half a million barrels a day. even the most advanced platforms in the world, used to produce a half dozen or more wells, only project to a quarter million barrels a day.

and lol at calling $57,000,000 worth of oil "aren't really losing any"

 

[JSt0rm]

the commonly-discussed 75 million dollar cap is for consequential economic damages for acts of god, war, or terrorism. i'm not aware of a cap for fines.

the well would not be capable of a half a million barrels a day. even the most advanced platforms in the world, used to produce a half dozen or more wells, only project to a quarter million barrels a day.

and lol at calling $57,000,000 worth of oil "aren't really losing any"

then it would be 250,000 barrels for 30 years. Thats the amount of oil in the thing. Along with 10x the amount of natural gas.

 

[sao123]

Not if the GOVERNMENT bans them from drilling there again. The value of the leaking oil is minuscule compared to the economic risk BP is facing from government action due to environmental damage it's causing. This is like saying the biggest problem with Chernobyl was that the loss of generation capacity.

are you stupid or just plain dense? The sealing cap is only a temporary solution, a relief well must be drilled in the same field to reduce the pressure, or they risk it rupturing again in the future. Like it or not, this oil will be harvested.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

If this "top kill" fails to work, will it ultimately increase the flow of oil making the problem worse?

I,m afraid at this point the longer this goes without being plugged the likelyhood of success drops with every passing hour

 

[Mark R]

are you stupid or just plain dense? The sealing cap is only a temporary solution, a relief well must be drilled in the same field to reduce the pressure, or they risk it rupturing again in the future. Like it or not, this oil will be harvested.

It almost certainly will be harvested in time. But that's not the job of the relief wells - which are not suitable for oil pumping.

The relief well is being drilled so that concrete can be pumped directly into the base of the now leaking well.

The problem with pumping mud/concrete in from the top of a damaged well is that the well is drilled through seabed for thousands of feet, before it gets to the impervious bedrock. As a result, the well is lined with steel pipe. The well is almost certainly damaged, and if you try to force mud/concrete in from the top, theres a risk that you burst the steel lining of the well and all your mud/concrete just pours out into the surrounding soft seabed (or you block the top of the pipe, but the oil ruptures the pipe down below and pumps out under the seabed, which won't stop it getting into the water)

By drilling a hole in the side of the well in the middle of bedrock, then you pour your concrete in, then you can get a solid plug of concrete surrounded by impervious rock, making a permanent seal.

 

[bfdd]

then it would be 250,000 barrels for 30 years. Thats the amount of oil in the thing. Along with 10x the amount of natural gas.

That's a lot of oil to be losing dude. If the 100k a day is right(I know it's the high end) they're losing 7,462,000 just from the price of oil a day. That oil is worth quite a bit more once it's been broken down into all the different shit we make out of it. If I had to guess this is probably costing BP shitloads of money, tens of millions a day probably.

 

[JSt0rm]

That's a lot of oil to be losing dude. If the 100k a day is right(I know it's the high end) they're losing 7,462,000 just from the price of oil a day. That oil is worth quite a bit more once it's been broken down into all the different shit we make out of it. If I had to guess this is probably costing BP shitloads of money, tens of millions a day probably.

I'm not saying bp isnt losing money but they lease that land. They dont own all the oil in that thing. That thing will still pump out an amazing amount of oil for years to come.

 

[bfdd]

I'm not saying bp isnt losing money but they lease that land. They dont own all the oil in that thing. That thing will still pump out an amazing amount of oil for years to come.

No doubt it will. My whole point is that the gubment taking credit for this is just silly, hell just saying they had a boot on the neck of BP is silly. They always have a boot on the neck of these companies. I've talked to the guys who have to cut the checks for the fines just refineries have to pay and on a good day you're talking 100 grand.

 

[JSt0rm]

I've talked to the guys who have to cut the checks for the fines just refineries have to pay and on a good day you're talking 100 grand.

sounds llke its cheaper to pay fines then fix problems.

 

[bfdd]

sounds llke its cheaper to pay fines then fix problems.

lol no.

 

[Balt]

I don't have any expertise in the area, but this doesn't look good.

http://www.wkrg.com/gulf_oil_spill/spill_cam/

 

[PJABBER]

I don't have any expertise in the area, but this doesn't look good.

http://www.wkrg.com/gulf_oil_spill/spill_cam/

I don't claim any expertise either, but after viewing these cams on and off for a week that sure looks like any containment effort they tried has not worked. If anything, it looks like it is spewing a hell of a lot MORE than before.

 

[Carmen813]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100529/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill

It's not working.

 

[her209]

I don't have any expertise in the area, but this doesn't look good.

http://www.wkrg.com/gulf_oil_spill/spill_cam/

Wow, that looks way worse than before.

 

[Balt]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100529/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill

It's not working.

Lovely.

 

[JSt0rm]

did you guys here about the oil plum they found?

Its underwater and 10 miles across and 3000 feet deep solid oil

 

[SAWYER]

In another thread someone said the Coast Guard is not allowing air/land or sea pics of the shoreline devastation, that is bs if true

 

[JSt0rm]

that would be bullshit. Your avatar is sweet

 

[umbrella39]

This is clearly all Clinton's fault.

 

[Sclamoz]

In another thread someone said the Coast Guard is not allowing air/land or sea pics of the shoreline devastation, that is bs if true

Yeah its true, its been happening for weeks. The first I heard about it was from this:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6496749n

Everything I've heard points to the coast guard and the local authorities doing what BP tells them to.

 

[Patranus]

Looks like Obama took credit too soon.