'Top kill' plugs gulf oil leak, official says (FAILED)

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bfdd

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senseamp said:
Not if the GOVERNMENT bans them from drilling there again. The value of the leaking oil is minuscule compared to the economic risk BP is facing from government action due to environmental damage it's causing. This is like saying the biggest problem with Chernobyl was that the loss of generation capacity.
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The value of the leaking oil is huge. close to 100,000 barrels a day they're losing out of the well. That's a small refineries worth of oil a day. Lets not forget the fines that are going to be put on BP for this. You really think BP would of left this well pouring into the ocean without the government stepping in and saying "let us help you fix this."
 
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Yes, GOVERNMENT environmental regulations are in place, as is risk of GOVERNMENT action that will cost BP a LOT more money than the value of oil being leaked.
 
theeedude

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bfdd said:
The value of the leaking oil is huge. close to 100,000 barrels a day they're losing out of the well. That's a small refineries worth of oil a day. Lets not forget the fines that are going to be put on BP for this. You really think BP would of left this well pouring into the ocean without the government stepping in and saying "let us help you fix this."
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Hmm, who is going to put the fines on BP? Could it be, by any chance, the GOVERNMENT?
 
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dmcowen674

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I do blame obama for leaving the same corrupt bs from the bush admin in charge of the mms. He should of walked into government and slash burned the entire corrupt thing that bush left behind and he didn't. I do blame bush for being a complete and utter failure by every fucking metric. And I blame you retards for voting for him.
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Yippie, I am thrilled you are so ticked off. Bravo

What can the Messiah and us Liberals do next to get your goat :biggrin:
 
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bfdd

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senseamp said:
Hmm, who is going to put the fines on BP? Could it be, by any chance, the GOVERNMENT?
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And what does that have to do with the government stepping in to help the situation? Everything they've done is just bullshit. It's mostly talk, BP would of gone after this to fix this without any further government involvement. Fines, loss of oil to refine, loss of hardware, loss of man hours, etc, BP has lost TONS of money over this. But sure keep choosing to believe that BP would of allowed it to just pour into the ocean had Obama not "put his boot on their neck."
 
theeedude

theeedude

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bfdd said:
And what does that have to do with the government stepping in to help the situation? Everything they've done is just bullshit. It's mostly talk, BP would of gone after this to fix this without any further government involvement. Fines, loss of oil to refine, loss of hardware, loss of man hours, etc, BP has lost TONS of money over this. But sure keep choosing to believe that BP would of allowed it to just pour into the ocean had Obama not "put his boot on their neck."
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You are the one who brought up GOVERNMENT fines, not me.
 
Daedalus685

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Eh, even if we centralized it, I don't think it would be that big a deal. We don't really use that much electricity compared to how much radiant energy the sun beams down on us.

It's kinda complicated though. The solar panels aren't 100 percent efficient but they are probably 95% black. Desert land is probably only 10% black. So having solar panels in the sunny desert would probably make the desert air hotter but the ground cooler?

Whatever. I say screw the desert.
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Well, it is true that we use much less power than the sun beams onto the entire earth. However, the energy density used by humans is approaching the per area density of solar energy. In a few years we may be the winner. Granted that this is a problem already, just not as large of one as pollution. But that won't last forever. That is to say that we will soon require more energy in a city than the sun could possibly provide that amount of area. So we will have to bring that energy in from other places which may not be bad for a hundred years.. but could eventually destroy the climate just as surely as pollution. Frankly we need to figure out how to use less energy as once we start requiring more than the sun is putting into our system we are going to fuck some shit up pretty hard unless we can figure out some sort of heat pump to send the waste to the proverbial moon.

Would not be pretty if we were required to destroy twice the land area of each city just for energy production. This is where we run into weather destruction, we could have very cold spots (if it were 100% efficient) to provide very hot spots.

Changing the absorption of the ground is also an issue. We could destroy weather patterns something fierce by changing the warming patterns of the dessert far more quickly than we could run into issues of needing more energy than the sun provides. This is onyl an issue if the pannels are particularly inefficient (as they are today). Wed end up heating up a dessert by 4 or 5 times just ot absorb enough light energy to use for power.

It all requires a lot of thought.
 
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ElFenix

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senseamp said:
You are the one who brought up GOVERNMENT fines, not me.
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fines don't fix anything looking backward. now maybe if there were additional fines being levied if certain deadlines/criteria aren't met, but no one is talking about that.


it seems the .gov has done very little in figuring out how to stop the well, mostly because the .gov has basically no expertise in this area.
 
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Looks like God may not be blessing Barack quite yet.. BP is running into some problems reports are saying.
 
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ElFenix said:
fines don't fix anything looking backward. now maybe if there were additional fines being levied if certain deadlines/criteria aren't met, but no one is talking about that.


it seems the .gov has done very little in figuring out how to stop the well, mostly because the .gov has basically no expertise in this area.
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take it up with bfdd, he's the one who brought up the fines
plus you right wingers are the first in line to blame Obama and the government for not fixing this, be consistent.
 
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JSt0rm01 said:
I do blame obama for leaving the same corrupt bs from the bush admin in charge of the mms. He should of walked into government and slash burned the entire corrupt thing that bush left behind and he didn't.
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Yep. So it's fair to blame Obama on this oil spill as his "hope and change" was never realized- aka appointing lobbyists and industry insiders for top jobs.

If people blame Bush for 9/11 (which there is some merit), I sure as hell think it's fair to blame Obama on the oil spill, as he's been in office for close to 1 1/2 years when the accident happened.
 
JSt0rm

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alphatarget1 said:
Yep. So it's fair to blame Obama on this oil spill as his "hope and change" was never realized- aka appointing lobbyists and industry insiders for top jobs.

If people blame Bush for 9/11 (which there is some merit), I sure as hell think it's fair to blame Obama on the oil spill, as he's been in office for close to 1 1/2 years when the accident happened.
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I fully agree. He has had enough time to review and fix this problem.
 
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Fear No Evil said:
Looks like God may not be blessing Barack quite yet.. BP is running into some problems reports are saying.
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See the difference between me and you is that does't make me happy. You being a hack are seeing this as a political football for your favorite team.
 
blackangst1

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senseamp said:
Yes, GOVERNMENT environmental regulations are in place, as is risk of GOVERNMENT action that will cost BP a LOT more money than the value of oil being leaked.
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Which countries environmental laws apply in international waters?
 
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Mark R

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"Top kill" has been abandoned due to failure; all the 'mud' just poured out of the leak, and not enough went down the well to do anything useful.
Well still gushing oil.

BP now preparing for 'junk shot' of shredded golf balls, tires and other debris, prior to a second attempt at 'top kill'. Idea is to stop up the leak, so that more mud can go down the well, instead of hosing out.
 
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Mark R said:
"Top kill" has been abandoned due to failure; all the 'mud' just poured out of the leak, and not enough went down the well to do anything useful.
Well still gushing oil.

BP now preparing for 'junk shot' of shredded golf balls, tires and other debris, prior to a second attempt at 'top kill'. Idea is to stop up the leak, so that more mud can go down the well, instead of hosing out.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmhxpQEGPo&feature=player_embedded#!
 
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