Oops, I guess we'll have to see how it doesthast cas
that is cascade lake not cooper lake.
Oops, I guess we'll have to see how it doesthast cas
that is cascade lake not cooper lake.
Even at $2500 a piece, they loose $5000 total. takes ~50% longer for $1000 more still.Let see if they can sell those 56 Core CPUs less than $10,000 grand(they did half the price of their HEDT line)
That pretty pathetic. My EPYC 7601 chips now go for $800 on ebay and you can get a dual socket motherboard for them for $560. So for $2160, you can get 64 cores and a motherboard that will beat any Intel setup under $20k. And Rome ? you can get the same motherboard and 2 7742's on ebay for $9560 buy-it-now prices ! That 128 cores that will beat ANY Intel system at any price . And this doesn't count Milan, due out before any new processors from Intel.And it seems mainstream Cooper-Lake is cancelled (only some prioritized clients e.g Facebook will get 4S+ chips).
This means Cascade Lake Refresh will battle Milan until Ice-Lake is out. Also means that Intel won't have mainstream chips with over 36 cores till Sapphire Rapids. We don't know the exact release date of Ice-Lake X nor the quantity of higher core parts, but I doubt it's before Q4 nor that the amount of > 32 core chips would be very high (looking at yields).
And it seems mainstream Cooper-Lake is cancelled (only some prioritized clients e.g Facebook will get 4S+ chips).
This means Cascade Lake Refresh will battle Milan until Ice-Lake is out. Also means that Intel won't have mainstream chips with over 36 cores till Sapphire Rapids. We don't know the exact release date of Ice-Lake X nor the quantity of higher core parts, but I doubt it's before Q4 nor that the amount of > 32 core chips would be very high (looking at yields).
Perhaps that is for the better. Whitley platform was a mess with Cooper-Lake and Ice Lake with different level of PCIe support. Now it is just Ice Lake on Whitley platform.
Good time to drop this really bad news.
But it's not like Intel's going to be able to really sell much of Ice Lake Server. This has to be a OEM revolt over the dual die Cooper's power consumption and the need to use water.
It sounds dumb but perhaps Intel will do 2-for-1 deals with Cooper Lake.
Alternatively, it could be good news for 10nm yields. I know you wouldn't even consider that as a possibility.This has to be a OEM revolt over the dual die Cooper's power consumption and the need to use water.
Yes it might indeed mean that Ice-Lake Server is coming sooner and/or in larger numbers (considering the recent leaks as well). But considering the way they delayed both Cooper AND Comet Lake releases I'll believe it when I see it.Alternatively, it could be good news for 10nm yields. I know you wouldn't even consider that as a possibility.
I'd be very surprised if we see higher core counts for Ice Lake. They certainly can't just magically spin another die with more cores in such a short notice. By the time they could, Sapphire Rapid should be here. Therefore the only way to add cores would be a MCM package chip like Cooper. Now even if they did that ... Cooper Lake has been rumored about at least since 2018 only to be canned now. No way they'll manage to push out an ice-lake 2-die chip so soon ... Unless Sapphire rapid is also delayed and it happens in second half of 2021, which I also highly doubt.If they are going to push Ice Lake as sole processor for Whitley platform, we might see more than 38 cores for Ice Lake processors. We will probably find out in next few months.
When all the stool coming out of me goes downward into the toilet, and a little bit splashes back up, I don't consider that my poop has suddenly changed direction as a whole and defied gravity.Alternatively, it could be good news for 10nm yields. I know you wouldn't even consider that as a possibility.
For example, how many 10 series HEDT parts are they actually selling for that more competitive price?
10980XE is impossible to find in DiY retail.
With the 3960x,3970x,3990x, why would any idiot want those anyway ?10980XE is impossible to find in DiY retail.
With the 3960x,3970x,3990x, why would any idiot want those anyway ?
BUT GIGAHURTZ!!With the 3960x,3970x,3990x, why would any idiot want those anyway ?
Yes it might indeed mean that Ice-Lake Server is coming sooner and/or in larger numbers (considering the recent leaks as well). But considering the way they delayed both Cooper AND Comet Lake releases I'll believe it when I see it.
With the 3960x,3970x,3990x, why would any idiot want those anyway ?
Exactly. As I've said many times before with respect to AMD and Intel HEDT and server offerings... it depends on your workload. A 3990X doesn't matter if you're running one of the workloads where Intel has a 40%+ lead.If your software stack is fully open source then you would be right. Scientific image processing of microscopy data is a clear example of vertical markets where that is not the case, several standard tools are closed source programs which rely on Intel's math libraries and/or ICC (e.g. Matlab, Amira, Imaris) and typically perform much worse on AMD thanks to various cripple functions inserted by Intel.
Given the tiny market (and the disinterest of most of the imaging community regarding computer hardware), Iit is really hard to come across relevant software benchmarks, but in the case of Matlab Intel outperforms AMD by more than a 2x margin unless you switch to AMD officially unsupported math libraries.
Threadripper also offer less support for workstation class hardware by lacking support for server memory modules, I spent a good deal of time to find a trx4 mobo that would officially support 128gb of ecc udimm in 8 slots and it was an Asrock RGB gaming model. Last I checked, finding 128gb ecc ram for a xeon 22xx is much easier and 4x32gb buffered dimms are the same cost of 8x16 udimms leaving you with free ram slots.
If you are spending grant money and that machine MUST work reliably for 5-8 years, would you buy an Asrock mobo with RGB or a Supermicro/equivalent workstation class mobo?
I could have bought an Epyc, but with a 3ghz turbo speed it would work poorly for several image filters and algorithms which are not parallel. I really wanted to buy AMD but the support for my market was not there.
That 40% is on like one benchmark, and thats against the 3960x, NOT the 3990x.Exactly. As I've said many times before with respect to AMD and Intel HEDT and server offerings... it depends on your workload. A 3990X doesn't matter if you're running one of the workloads where Intel has a 40%+ lead.