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should pats lose their spot to colts in the superbowl?

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Perknose

Perknose

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emperus said:
Read this article as a companion to the piece you read. Gives a lot more information as to the rules and what rules were broken.for more information and for a better understanding of what was left out of the piece today.

Promoting Parity
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Wow. Here I was in my last post opining that BB probably broke the rules, albeit to not great advantage. But what this article points out is that the NFL rules on taping are at best, vague, incomplete and, at points, entirely contradictory, and that therefore BB's assertion that he was following the rules as he best understood them had and has strong merit.

It puts Goodell's decision to punish the Pats for Spygate in an even worse light than before, and portrays what most everyone now sees as his subsequent overreaction during Deflategate as so indefensible as to constitute not just misfeasance, but malfeasance.

Without looking into it all too closely, I always thought that the NFL was less bound by near 19th century tradition than MLB, being a younger, more modern entity, and so was run far better.

I had thought that the NFL, from around the time before the AFL-NFL merger on, was a lean, modern, media savvy, money-making machine wherein the owners knew it was best to cede considerable power to a technocrat who would lead them all to greater riches.

Whereas MLB was still tradition-bound and mired in a past where a more individually powerful collection of owners positively loved having an good old boy, "don't rock the boat" mediocrity like Bud Selig running the ship.

I guess I was wrong about the NFL being so different. :eek:
 
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cabri

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Find a grey area in the rules and exploit it for what it is worth.

The opponents make fools and then complain that the Pats do not play fair.

So the NFL has to explicitly call out the rule.

But people want to place as asterick to compensate for making a jackass of them.
They start rumors/stories to disparage; most haters lap it up. Those on sidelines may accept it until is proven. And retractions are usually buried, never shown up.

More accusations have been thrown at Pats than other teams, very few have actually shown to be illegal and even less retracted.
 
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The Boston Dangler

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Capt Caveman

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After throwing for 466 and 3 TDs, you would have thought he would have been the NFL Offensive Player of the week or at least share it with Big Ben, nope.
 
TheGardener

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Capt Caveman said:
After throwing for 466 and 3 TDs, you would have thought he would have been the NFL Offensive Player of the week or at least share it with Big Ben, nope.
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Maybe his balls were over-inflated!

Football owners are turning into baseball owners... i.e. idiots
 
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digiram

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What's stronger Madden Curse or Deflategate curse??? yikes!!

Indy 0-2
Ravens 0-2
Seahawks 0-2
Texans 0-2

They need to go ask Brady for forgiveness.. lol
 
dainthomas

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Capt Caveman said:
After throwing for 466 and 3 TDs, you would have thought he would have been the NFL Offensive Player of the week or at least share it with Big Ben, nope.
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Most people are kinda neutral about teams other than theirs (unless it's a rival). In this case though, the rest of the league loathes them.
 
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BUTCH1

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NFL announced they hired Paul Clement as their new lead lawyer in the upcoming appeal of Berman's ruling. Wonder how much this guy's gonna cost?. he can't come cheap. link
 
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BUTCH1

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dainthomas said:
Most people are kinda neutral about teams other than theirs (unless it's a rival). In this case though, the rest of the league loathes them.
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Really, have you spoken to the "rest of the league" to confirm this or are you still butthurt you team blew a winnable SB. I'm gonna guess the latter.
 
waggy

waggy

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BUTCH1 said:
NFL announced they hired Paul Clement as their new lead lawyer in the upcoming appeal of Berman's ruling. Wonder how much this guy's gonna cost?. he can't come cheap. link
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GOd damn. they really need to let it go. They are spending more money and damaging the NFL over a 4 game suspension.
 
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emperus

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waggy said:
GOd damn. they really need to let it go. They are spending more money and damaging the NFL over a 4 game suspension.
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They can't let it go now. They fuxed up when they let the case go to court. The Berman decision is now precedent and will effect every other similar arbitration ruling.

I think they'll lose, but I understand why they are fighting it. Poor initial strategy. They should have settled with Brady since they had so much more to lose if (which they did) lost.

They should fire their lead counsel for shitty advice.
 
BrokenVisage

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emperus said:
They can't let it go now. They fuxed up when they let the case go to court. The Berman decision is now precedent and will effect every other similar arbitration ruling.

I think they'll lose, but I understand why they are fighting it. Poor initial strategy. They should have settled with Brady since they had so much more to lose if (which they did) lost.

They should fire their lead counsel for shitty advice.
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Why do you think they'll lose? Remember, this whole case isn't about Brady anymore it's about the process by which he was punished. The power Goodell had to do what he did was collectively bargained, theoretically the owners gave up other things in order have the power, so I don't think you can un-ring that bell once it's in writing and the proper people sign off. Also I hear this Paul Clement guy the NFL hired is a very successful appeal lawyer, so we'll see.
 
Phokus

Phokus

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BrokenVisage said:
Why do you think they'll lose? Remember, this whole case isn't about Brady anymore it's about the process by which he was punished. The power Goodell had to do what he did was collectively bargained, theoretically the owners gave up other things in order have the power, so I don't think you can un-ring that bell once it's in writing and the proper people sign off. Also I hear this Paul Clement guy the NFL hired is a very successful appeal lawyer, so we'll see.
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Because there were certain labor laws they didn't follow and they had to be impartial, which they obviously weren't.

A successful appeal only means that it goes back to Judge Berman, who withheld several things to hold against the NFL, btw.
 
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emperus

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BrokenVisage said:
Why do you think they'll lose? Remember, this whole case isn't about Brady anymore it's about the process by which he was punished. The power Goodell had to do what he did was collectively bargained, theoretically the owners gave up other things in order have the power, so I don't think you can un-ring that bell once it's in writing and the proper people sign off. Also I hear this Paul Clement guy the NFL hired is a very successful appeal lawyer, so we'll see.
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I think Berman's decision was well reasoned. Basically you can't bargain away certain rights under the FAA.

And, even if they do win, it would be sent back to Berman as there are issues Berman didn't rule on which he would then rule on.
 
Phoenix86

Phoenix86

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emperus said:
I think Berman's decision was well reasoned. Basically you can't bargain away certain rights under the FAA.

And, even if they do win, it would be sent back to Berman as there are issues Berman didn't rule on which he would then rule on.
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This is a good synopsis. Berman was clearly upset at how the NFL was doing things and basically wrote a poison pill in by not ruling on the other items.

They are idiots for continuing. If they win on appeal, he'll have a new ruling they will have to deal with and I'm not sure the case for the appeal is very strong.
 
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BUTCH1

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BrokenVisage said:
Why do you think they'll lose? Remember, this whole case isn't about Brady anymore it's about the process by which he was punished. The power Goodell had to do what he did was collectively bargained, theoretically the owners gave up other things in order have the power, so I don't think you can un-ring that bell once it's in writing and the proper people sign off. Also I hear this Paul Clement guy the NFL hired is a very successful appeal lawyer, so we'll see.
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One of Nash's tactics was trying to claim the NFLPA was wanting to "re-write the CBA" after the fact but in reality the NFLPA was not questioning Goodell's granted powers but the appeals process itself was so flawed and biased it was laughable. Even Berman had to say "really?" 3X in response to comparing .3-.5 PSI of air pressure comparable to using steroids. Then not letting Brady's attorney have access to Nash was another huge gaffe. In a nutshell the commissioner is granted broad powers under the CBA but the players are also granted an appeals process if they do not agree with the punishment and it has to be conducted in a fair fashion.
 
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emperus

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What do you know. Patriots are still top of the league in ball protection (fumbles), even with all those properly inflated balls.


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The Patriots have done a great job all season, as they have an NFL-low three turnovers (one interception, two lost fumbles).
The Packers (four), Giants (seven) and 49ers (seven) are the next teams on the list. And for further context, the Lions (20) and Colts (19) lead the NFL in giveaways.
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Topical time to highlight Patriots' exemplary ball security
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Fingolfin269

Fingolfin269

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My team is so bad that I have to find something to root for. And that something is King Goodell being forced to hand another Super Bowl trophy and MVP trophy over to the Patriots.
 
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BUTCH1

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waggy said:
that's because the refs are fucking cheating FOR them! fire the refs!
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It's even more diabolical, Bill B has found a way to manipulate the weather as well, this cloud was hovering over the stadium pre-game..
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