"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[manimal]

Small hands and deflated balls; this week is not kind to the ego.

tight ends and wide receivers usually have the biggest hands /blush

 

[Jimzz]

This article says that QBs get access to the balls months in advance for them to customize - Eli Manning’s Footballs Are Months in Making

Damm that's even worse than I thought. You get ejected from baseball and other sports for doing things like that too a league approved ball.

 

[mrjminer]

Anyone else think it was irresponsible for the NFL to issue a press release that the balls were underinflated - causing a huge amount of speculation and controversy to result - without also releasing the EVIDENCE that someone on the Patriots was to blame and/or the coaching staff was aware of/orchestrated the issue?

Also - I find it incredibly implausible that the receiver felt a different in the weight of the ball, as reported. He might have felt a difference in the grip, compression, etc., but weight? I don't think so.

http://www.csus.edu/indiv/o/oldenburgj/ENGR1A/NFLFootballWtCalc.pdf

Well, the grip is going to be different if it is deflated. I don't know the math or physics, but I'm presuming that there is a direct correlation between how it feels when gripped based on the weight. I'm sure that pro players who handle footballs non-stop are going to notice.

I notice if I am using a keyboard with the little indentations on the F and J are really worn, right away. I'm guessing every profession has something that they can just immediately tell is a bit "off."

 

[manimal]

They need to stop letting teams polish their balls. They need smart balls next years as well. Along the lines of active electronics to capture footage in air as well as position on the field to help in ambiguous situations where the play is obscured. People are tired of the issues and the salty balls. Teams shouldn't handle their own balls period. Teams should take the balls they get and be happy with them. No need to shove this down their throats now that its happened.

Shit there is off the shelf tech you can buy from monoprice that would do it.

 

[brainhulk]

They need to stop letting teams polish their balls. They need smart balls next years as well. Along the lines of active electronics to capture footage in air as well as position on the field to help in ambiguous situations where the play is obscured. People are tired of the issues and the salty balls. Teams shouldn't handle their own balls period. Teams should take the balls they get and be happy with them. No need to shove this down their throats now that its happened.

Shit there is off the shelf tech you can buy from monoprice that would do it.

Tpms in footballs

 

[Scarpozzi]

The NFL should address this by changing the ball handling policies and be done with it. I'm not a Pats fan and wouldn't doubt that someone made the change to give them an edge, but don't know how high it goes in the organization. However, you can't penalize them without solid proof. Who knows....temp differences can cause pressure changes and pressure guages can be faulty.

I would probably be more suspicious if the score wasn't such a blowout and Blount wasn't gashing the line like he did.

 

[smackababy]

I would probably be more suspicious if the score wasn't such a blowout and Blount wasn't gashing the line like he did.

People keep saying that Blount's running shows the balls didn't have any impact. But, that is just false! The ball being less inflated than regulation means he is carrying less weight while running and that is why he did so good! The same reason swimmers shave their eyebrows. The drag caused by the hair could be the different between winning and losing!

I mean think about it: Blount didn't do good in Shittsburg because they don't deflate the balls. NE, on the other hand? And so did Grey, a practice squad player!

We need to petition the NFL to vacate every win by the Patriots during Bill's era! It is obvious Seattle should just be given this years SB.

 

[mrjminer]

People keep saying that Blount's running shows the balls didn't have any impact. But, that is just false! The ball being less inflated than regulation means he is carrying less weight while running and that is why he did so good! The same reason swimmers shave their eyebrows. The drag caused by the hair could be the different between winning and losing!

I mean think about it: Blount didn't do good in Shittsburg because they don't deflate the balls. NE, on the other hand? And so did Grey, a practice squad player!

We need to petition the NFL to vacate every win by the Patriots during Bill's era! It is obvious Seattle should just be given this years SB.

Also, if you get a better grip with ease, you can focus more on running and juking rather than also having to grip the ball.

 

[Kaido]

Uncle Rico knows the truth:

http://imgur.com/gallery/MpjfyaY

 

[CZroe]

Uncle Rico knows the truth:

http://imgur.com/gallery/MpjfyaY

LOL! Hopeless Uncle Rico.

 

[KeithTalent]

Ugh, so much ball talk, now gash talk. D:

KT

 

[BoomerD]

I am having a hard time caring about this even if it was done intentionally (and the jury is still out on that). Whatever benefit Brady enjoyed from the under inflated balls was also available to Luck.

I am not a Patriots fan but I find the butthurt coming from Pats haters endlessly entertaining . . .

Not really, since each team plays with their own balls...

The Colts brought footballs to use on offense, the Patriots brought balls to be used on offense. The balls are not interchanged during play.

If it was a "natural phenomenon" caused by the cold weather, why were only the footballs used by the Patriots so affected...not the footballs used by the Colts?

Maybe the NFL needs to do away with each team supplying its own balls and start supplying them for the game without team interference?

 

[purbeast0]

Uncle Rico knows the truth:

http://imgur.com/gallery/MpjfyaY

you think he would make it over the mountains?

 

[glenn1]

Aaron Rodgers admitted to inflating ball beyond league limits last year.

Rodgers - "I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it."

http://vid809.photobucket.com/albums/zz11/mascho030916/Football Central/ScreenCaptureProject295.mp4

 

[smackababy]

Not really, since each team plays with their own balls...

The Colts brought footballs to use on offense, the Patriots brought balls to be used on offense. The balls are not interchanged during play.

If it was a "natural phenomenon" caused by the cold weather, why were only the footballs used by the Patriots so affected...not the footballs used by the Colts?

Maybe the NFL needs to do away with each team supplying its own balls and start supplying them for the game without team interference?

We've already gone over this. The footballs weren't measured and a specific PSI reported. only that the Patriots had 2 PSI under the minimum. If the Colts had their balls at the maximum PSI and lost identical PSI to the Patriots, they would still be within regulation.

 

[Jimzz]

Aaron Rodgers admitted to inflating ball beyond league limits last year.



http://vid809.photobucket.com/albums/zz11/mascho030916/Football Central/ScreenCaptureProject295.mp4

Yea but he also said they let it out to spec. That's the way its supposed to be. If he or the team added air after they got the balls back then it be the same thing going against the Pats right now.

 

[cabri]

Not really, since each team plays with their own balls...

The Colts brought footballs to use on offense, the Patriots brought balls to be used on offense. The balls are not interchanged during play.

If it was a "natural phenomenon" caused by the cold weather, why were only the footballs used by the Patriots so affected...not the footballs used by the Colts?

Maybe the NFL needs to do away with each team supplying its own balls and start supplying them for the game without team interference?

If there was a tolerance as to the pressure of a ball; the Pats may have had the minimum and the Colts a different value.

As long as a ball can be bled when not in the officials' control; there will now be a issue to use as a excuse.

Maybe inspect the hands/equipment of all offensive players prior to going on the field for a play to ensure they do not have pin so they can bleed a ball while on the field.

 

[smackababy]

If there was a tolerance as to the pressure of a ball; the Pats may have had the minimum and the Colts a different value.

As long as a ball can be bled when not in the officials' control; there will now be a issue to use as a excuse.

Maybe inspect the hands/equipment of all offensive players prior to going on the field for a play to ensure they do not have pin so they can bleed a ball while on the field.

Or, the refs simply control the balls. The players can choose a set of so many balls before the game (from league provided source ofc) and the refs then remain in possession of them.

Hell, the NFL could even spin it as job creation by adding a couple additional positions per game: officials balls handler.

If you really believe someone is going to be able to bleed a ball before when it is placed on the spot before it is snapped, I just don't know what to say to you.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yep, and you're also correct in the the ball changes when possession changes.

The colts have their own balls, and so do the Pats.

Not sure about that, I was watching the game and the Colts appears nutless

 

[Sho'Nuff]

Well, the grip is going to be different if it is deflated. I don't know the math or physics, but I'm presuming that there is a direct correlation between how it feels when gripped based on the weight. I'm sure that pro players who handle footballs non-stop are going to notice.

I notice if I am using a keyboard with the little indentations on the F and J are really worn, right away. I'm guessing every profession has something that they can just immediately tell is a bit "off."

The difference in weight of a FULLY deflated football and a FULLY inflated football is less than 10 grams. The official weight of an NFL football should be between 14 and 15 oz (roughly, about 412 grams). That means that a fully deflated football weights about 2% less than a fully inflated one.

But we are not talking about a football in a fully deflated condition. We are talking about balls that were under inflated by by 2 psi, or about 16% below the lowest psi permitted by the rules (i.e., 12 PSI). So the difference in weight between the fully inflated ball and the balls in question was at most about 2 grams. I'm sorry, I'm just not buying the whole "this ball feels light" BS.

I do (and did, if you read my previous post) acknowledge that it reasonable to assert that a ball feels different (e.g., spongy) when it is underinflated by 15-20%. I just don't buy the assertion that the receiver could detect the difference in weight.

 

[cabri]

If there was a tolerance as to the pressure of a ball; the Pats may have had the minimum and the Colts a different value.

As long as a ball can be bled when not in the officials' control; there will now be a issue to use as a excuse.

Maybe inspect the hands/equipment of all offensive players prior to going on the field for a play to ensure they do not have pin so they can bleed a ball while on the field.

Or, the refs simply control the balls. The players can choose a set of so many balls before the game (from league provided source ofc) and the refs then remain in possession of them.

Hell, the NFL could even spin it as job creation by adding a couple additional positions per game: officials balls handler.

If you really believe someone is going to be able to bleed a ball before when it is placed on the spot before it is snapped, I just don't know what to say to you.

I knew I forgot to add the emo

 

[dyna]

If they were going to kick Lynch out of the game for wrong color cleats. The penalty for this will be pretty severe.

 

[SP33Demon]

Sounds like we can rule the cold out as a factor:

If the balls were deflated by two pounds per square inch, that’s not something that could happen naturally.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-beginners-guide-to-deflategate/

 

[TurtleCrusher]

Not sure about that, I was watching the game and the Colts appears nutless

 

[mrjminer]

The difference in weight of a FULLY deflated football and a FULLY inflated football is less than 10 grams. The official weight of an NFL football should be between 14 and 15 oz (roughly, about 412 grams). That means that a fully deflated football weights about 2% less than a fully inflated one.

But we are not talking about a football in a fully deflated condition. We are talking about balls that were under inflated by by 2 psi, or about 16% below the lowest psi permitted by the rules (i.e., 12 PSI). So the difference in weight between the fully inflated ball and the balls in question was at most about 2 grams. I'm sorry, I'm just not buying the whole "this ball feels light" BS.

I do (and did, if you read my previous post) acknowledge that it reasonable to assert that a ball feels different (e.g., spongy) when it is underinflated by 15-20%. I just don't buy the assertion that the receiver could detect the difference in weight.

I think you misunderstood. The weight is going to directly effect the grip and the way the ball feels. I think it is logical for him to then conclude that the ball is outside of the norm as far as weight is concerned since they are correlated. In other words, the logical conclusion is that the ball weighs less because air has mass, and this air directly effects the ability to grip the ball. If his ability to grip the ball has increased, the ball, therefore, has less air, and thus less mass.

Not that he processed it in this manner consciously, he could just tell from his experience.

Sounds like we can rule the cold out as a factor:

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-beginners-guide-to-deflategate/

Avogadro. What a mother fucker!