"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[The Boston Dangler]

I agree with that. But Brady didn't help himself any by not cooperating. Its no wonder the NFL did what they did. Though it would have been hilarious if Brady provided them, but redacted everything..

 

[emperus]

I agree with that. But Brady didn't help himself any by not cooperating. Its no wonder the NFL did what they did. Though it would have been hilarious if Brady provided them, but redacted everything..

You are ok with the league punishing a player for not turning over something they aren't required to?

This seems like the NFL is trying to set a standard here for being able to ask for phone records. And I can see the NFLPA fighting on this one.

 

[Phoenix86]

I'm asking those questions because it's obvious your bias...

Wait, I have bias against the Pats because they were successful and you gleaned that information from my opinion that repeat offenders should get extra punishment.

Yup, I'm out.

 

[Imported]

You are ok with the league punishing a player for not turning over something they aren't required to?

This seems like the NFL is trying to set a standard here for being able to ask for phone records. And I can see the NFLPA fighting on this one.

I'm pretty much against Goodell doing what he does when it comes to player punishments, but its not hard to see why the NFL did what they did. They've successfully deflected the media from reporting about domestic violence and substance abuse with this whole fiasco.

 

[emperus]

Wait, I have bias against the Pats because they were successful and you gleaned that information from my opinion that repeat offenders should get extra punishment.

Yup, I'm out.

Of course you are out. You can't answer the questions I asked because you have a very arbitrary standard in terms of being a repeat offender. The same type of arbitrariness the NFL has with it's punishments.

 

[lupi]

And, if that is the case, I am okay with the Patriots being fined.




And? If someone asked me for print outs of my text messages, I'd refuse. I don't care who it is. If you don't have a warrant (and then you're going to have to unlock my phone yourself), you aren't getting anything. Suspending Brady because he won't turn over personal text messages without a warrant is borderline illegal. Imagine if your boss said that.

If it's your work phone it's either turn it over or get fired hello (equipment assistants).

if there is say, a CBA in place because you are a union employee there could be language requiring your cooperation in internal investigations. In such a circumstance turning over the phone then could also be considered as under penalty for failure to do so.

 

[techs]

Roger Goodall meet Tom Brady's lawyers.


Good luck with that, Roger.

 

[rudeguy]

Roger Goodall meet Tom Brady's lawyers.


Good luck with that, Roger.

Goodell, Brady and Lawyers in the same room...

That is the room the meteor should hit.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

If it's your work phone it's either turn it over or get fired hello (equipment assistants).

if there is say, a CBA in place because you are a union employee there could be language requiring your cooperation in internal investigations. In such a circumstance turning over the phone then could also be considered as under penalty for failure to do so.

if it's a work-issued phone, it's not yours to withhold. if it's your property used for work, they can pound sand.

of course there's a cba in place - that's what any union is/does. as for cooperation, show me a warrant or stop calling me.

 

[techs]

I think Roger Goodall had the worst year of anyone in the NFL. I suspect as soon as some of his actions have been adjudicated he will get the heave ho from the league.

It's only a question of who will be the next commissioner.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

I think Roger Goodall had the worst year of anyone in the NFL. I suspect as soon as some of his actions have been adjudicated he will get the heave ho from the league.

It's only a question of who will be the next commissioner.

once this dog and pony show is done distracting from all the drugs, child/wife beating, crippling injuries and financial shenanigans, the owners will try to attach all their problems to him as they give him the boot.

i offer my services to nfl owners as post-goodall puppet/fall guy.

 

[BUTCH1]

How does that explain the guys who like their balls over-inflated?

I am not a Pats fan, I am a Vikes fan, but I think this whole thing is fucking stupid.

KT

IMHO it could/should have been handled differently by the league. Yea, rules are rules and they are not supposed to be broken and that does include letting a Lb of air out of balls, but as I've said before in this thread if Rozell were still the commish a simple memo would have went out to all teams that reports have come in that ball's possibly have been tampered with in an illegal fashion, we will be checking balls throughout the progress of any remaining games and in upcoming season's to ensure compliance. There, problem solved, no expensive investigation, no egg on anyone's faces. How would a Colt player feel if that game was a closely contested one and the league let the Patriots play with illegal balls?, I'd be pissed of as hell, where's the "integrity" Goodell is always spewing about?. I guess it wasn't as important as nailing the Pats in the act. That being said it's difficult as a Pat's fan to dismiss the trip to the crapper when one was much closer nor can I dismiss Mcnally taking the ball's from the officials locker room to begin with. I would have had a lot more respect for TB12 if he had come forward right from the beginning and just said, "I like a softer ball and I didn't think it would be that big of a deal, I apologize to the league and it's officers if what I did was wrong and accept responsibility for what happened". If he had gone that route he probably would have come out of it with a hefty fine and one game suspension, now he's hurt his teams chances next year considerably, cost his owner a million bucks and hurt his team in the future with the loss of 2 draft picks. God, Rex Ryan must be drooling at this point knowing he gets the Pat's at home without Brady and a second-class secondary.

 

[SSSnail]

I think Roger Goodall had the worst year of anyone in the NFL. I suspect as soon as some of his actions have been adjudicated he will get the heave ho from the league.

It's only a question of who will be the next commissioner.

I volunteer my service for the meager pay and perks.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Report: Tom Brady hires NFL nemesis Jeffrey Kessler to fight his suspension

If the NFL wanted a fight with Tom Brady, they’re going to get one. And history indicates it’s not going to turn out real well for the league.

A day after being suspended four games for his role in Deflategate, the Patriots quarterback has hired 61-year-old Jeffrey Kessler as his lawyer for this Deflategate, as reported by ESPN’s Adam Schefter. He has represented the players associations of the NFL and NBA in countless arbitrations involving player free agency rights, collusion claims, and salary caps.

Why should the NFL, which also fined the Patriots $1 million and docked the team two draft picks, be concerned?

Kessler is arguably the most successful lawyer in history representing clients who take on established sports leagues. Namely:

In Brady v. NFL, he successfully represented a class of NFL players in an antitrust action which eventually led to the end of the 2011 NFL lockout.

In Belichick v. NFL, et al., he represented Belichick in litigation over changing teams.

In NFLPA v. NFL, he represented NFLPA in a successful challenge to provisions of NFL TV Contracts used to fund the NFL 2011 Lockout.

In McNeil, et al. v. NFL, et al., he won jury verdict for NFL players striking down free agency restrictions under the antitrust laws, eventually leading to the Reggie White class action. That case paved the way for the negotiation of free agency and the salary cap system in the NFL.

In North American Soccer League, et al. v. NFL, he successfully represented North American Soccer League in antitrust case striking down NFL ownership rules.

Most recently, he represented Adrian Peterson and forced the league to reinstate the running back. Safe to say, the NFL didn’t envision this when they started asking about PSIs of footballs in January.

 

[techs]

Report: Tom Brady hires NFL nemesis Jeffrey Kessler to fight his suspension

Most recently, he represented Adrian Peterson and forced the league to reinstate the running back. Safe to say, the NFL didn’t envision this when they started asking about PSIs of footballs in January.

Is Roger Goodall brain dead? Four games and two draft picks. Did he think the Pats would just lay down and take it? Based on his own statements he doesn't have nearly enough evidence for those, or possibly any type of even mildly severe sanctions.

Brady will probably now retire with 4 Super Bowl rings and the head of one Commisioner of the National Football league.

 

[SSSnail]

Actually, I have good precedence to think that Roger Goodell is in fact, brain dead.

 

[smackababy]

Goodell is a moron, as usual.

 

[slayer202]

Most recently, he represented Adrian Peterson and forced the league to reinstate the running back. Safe to say, the NFL didn’t envision this when they started asking about PSIs of footballs in January.

Is Roger Goodall brain dead? Four games and two draft picks. Did he think the Pats would just lay down and take it? Based on his own statements he doesn't have nearly enough evidence for those, or possibly any type of even mildly severe sanctions.

Brady will probably now retire with 4 Super Bowl rings and the head of one Commisioner of the National Football league.

:biggrin: please have this be the straw that breaks goodell

 

[BUTCH1]

And of course some will cash in on all this, 'merica..

 

[techs]

I'm going out and getting another Patriots cap this week and will wear it all summer.

 

[Phoenix86]

Of course you are out. You can't answer the questions I asked because you have a very arbitrary standard in terms of being a repeat offender. The same type of arbitrariness the NFL has with it's punishments.

No, I'm out because I answered the question in no uncertain terms, twice, and you just keep on with the strawman arguments. Like, if I agree with one punishment, I agree with (or need to justify) others, which you just did again.

 

[zinfamous]

I think Roger Goodall had the worst year of anyone in the NFL.

I dunno man. I'm kinda thinking Ray Rice's wife and A Peterson's son had a pretty bad year.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Goodell is a moron, as usual.

Goodell is a moron even though I am getting a lot of laughs at the Patriots' expense over this incident. (NOTE: For you morons calling him 'Goodall' -- note the spelling)

I read something today that I agree with regarding this issue. There was absolutely no need to publicize this incident. Instead, when the Colts lodged the initial concern BEFORE the AFC Championship game, all the NFL had to do was warn the Patriots and then monitor the footballs. Instead, they allowed this to become another black eye on the league. I can certainly see why the Patriots might think this was a sting operation set up by the NFL.

 

[lupi]

Sounds like brady going to try to take his suspension to the courts as goodell has appeal power for this so not much reason to bring someone other than nflpa council in otherwise.

 

[Genx87]

NFL going to get spanked over this attempt to preserve the integrity of the league.