"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[emperus]

Sounds like brady going to try to take his suspension to the courts as goodell has appeal power for this so not much reason to bring someone other than nflpa council in otherwise.

I was wondering today what Goodell (and attorneys) will say when Brady's team asks them to turn over all emails and phone records pertaining to this incident. If they are innocent, they'll oblige right?

 

[emperus]

I was also wondering if Brady and his team got such an advantage by deflating the balls below 12.5, why would quarterbacks like Luck and Rodgers(just the ones we know of) like their balls in the higher range? I mean wouldn't every quarterback in the league try to get their balls closer to 12.5 esp, if the softer ball helped players catch the ball better and helped prevent fumbles?

This is part of the ridiculousness of this whole escapade. Can you really complain(Colts) that the Patriots had an unfair advantage by deflating their balls below 12.5 while simultaneously preferring ur balls inflated to 13 PSI?

 

[brainhulk]

I was also wondering if Brady and his team got such an advantage by deflating the balls below 12.5, why would quarterbacks like Luck and Rodgers(just the ones we know of) like their balls in the higher range? I mean wouldn't every quarterback in the league try to get their balls closer to 12.5 esp, if the softer ball helped players catch the ball better and helped prevent fumbles?

This is part of the ridiculousness of this whole escapade. Can you really complain(Colts) that the Patriots had an unfair advantage by deflating their balls below 12.5 while simultaneously preferring ur balls inflated to 13 PSI?

How balls feel in your hands is a matter of personal preference

Wait what

 

[rudeguy]

I was also wondering if Brady and his team got such an advantage by deflating the balls below 12.5, why would quarterbacks like Luck and Rodgers(just the ones we know of) like their balls in the higher range? I mean wouldn't every quarterback in the league try to get their balls closer to 12.5 esp, if the softer ball helped players catch the ball better and helped prevent fumbles?

This is part of the ridiculousness of this whole escapade. Can you really complain(Colts) that the Patriots had an unfair advantage by deflating their balls below 12.5 while simultaneously preferring ur balls inflated to 13 PSI?

That's been asked and answered 100 times already in this thread.

 

[smackababy]

Goodell is a moron even though I am getting a lot of laughs at the Patriots' expense over this incident. (NOTE: For you morons calling him 'Goodall' -- note the spelling)

I read something today that I agree with regarding this issue. There was absolutely no need to publicize this incident. Instead, when the Colts lodged the initial concern BEFORE the AFC Championship game, all the NFL had to do was warn the Patriots and then monitor the footballs. Instead, they allowed this to become another black eye on the league. I can certainly see why the Patriots might think this was a sting operation set up by the NFL.

I completely agree with them keeping this incident private being in their best interest. I think some things (mostly the criminal charges, etc) being publicized is a good thing, this is just moronic.

But, hey, at least Goodell isn't Sepp Blatter. Not only is that guy a moron, he is fucking corrupt as shit. In fact, he can't set foot on US soil for fear of being arrested. This is the guy running Fifa!

 

[manimal]

ya NFL looks like Costco compared to Fifa in corporate ethics.... Fifa is more Merryweather from GTA

patriots come out 4 and 0 next year and Jimmy plays lights out.


Dont discount Jimmy. Hes a great kid with a tremendous work ethic. I thought he was the second best QB available last year behind Carr. His release is fantastic.


Brady just needs to come out and take responisibilty. Missing 4 games is only gonna help Brady in the playoffs. At his age dead arm starts becominng an issue ask Peyton.


I seriously think they will win without brady and that will make him come back and play even better than he did this year. Brady has the same magic that MJ had.


He hates to lose just like mike. The difference between MJ and Harold Minor ? Heart and the desire to not lose.

 

[emperus]

How balls feel in your hands is a matter of personal preference

Wait what

There was a study people keep referring to that said the Patriots got an advantage in terms of fumbles because they deflated their balls. i,e Softer balls, players could hold onto them better esp. in cold weather. If that was the case, why wouldn't other quarterbacks and teams do the same? Why would other quarterbacks prefer their balls at a higher PSI if lower PSI balls were an inherent absolute advantage for their teams?

You are also making my point. So having a lower PSI ball isn't an absolute advantage then. If that was the case it wouldn't be a preference at all right? Every team would be trying to get their balls as low as possible.

 

[emperus]

That's been asked and answered 100 times already in this thread.

You should probably think more carefully about the argument I'm making.

 

[Phoenix86]

I completely agree with them keeping this incident private being in their best interest. I think some things (mostly the criminal charges, etc) being publicized is a good thing, this is just moronic.

But, hey, at least Goodell isn't Sepp Blatter. Not only is that guy a moron, he is fucking corrupt as shit. In fact, he can't set foot on US soil for fear of being arrested. This is the guy running Fifa!

If you have to make such comparisons to make Goodell look good you're point already failed.

You're right, he's not THAT bad, but man this guy is really incompetent. The Pats are right in that it was handled like a sting, although I'm not sure that helps their case. You wouldn't have caught be if you weren't looking! But the concept is just amazing, that Goodell would want MORE controversy in the league, THIS year.

FFS, just make them stop doing it by telling them you're going to monitor extra close and be done with it. Announce new rules for this season that makes it a non-issue (league handles all balls), done.

Sounds like Brady is fighting back full force and this might go to court?!

 

[brainhulk]

There was a study people keep referring to that said the Patriots got an advantage in terms of fumbles because they deflated their balls. i,e Softer balls, players could hold onto them better esp. in cold weather. If that was the case, why wouldn't other quarterbacks and teams do the same? Why would other quarterbacks prefer their balls at a higher PSI if lower PSI balls were an inherent absolute advantage for their teams?

If Aaron Rodgers likes the feel of hard balls, Aaron Rodgers gets hard balls. Who gives a shit what anyone else thinks

 

[norseamd]

But, hey, at least Goodell isn't Sepp Blatter. Not only is that guy a moron, he is fucking corrupt as shit. In fact, he can't set foot on US soil for fear of being arrested. This is the guy running Fifa!

Goodell, Blatter, Ecclestone, Selig, and the whole IOC all need to all be burnt at the cross with gasoline.

 

[IronWing]

I'm going out and getting another Patriots cap this week and will wear it all summer.

I got a test coming up so I got me a cheat sheet.

here.

 

[slayer202]

nfl set a great example when they denied having seen the ray rice video. and now they whine about the patriots not cooperating once the investigation began to sputter

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Goodell, Blatter, Ecclestone, Selig, and the whole IOC all need to all be burnt at the cross with gasoline.

i'm down with that

 

[cubby1223]

There was a study people keep referring to that said the Patriots got an advantage in terms of fumbles because they deflated their balls. i,e Softer balls, players could hold onto them better esp. in cold weather. If that was the case, why wouldn't other quarterbacks and teams do the same? Why would other quarterbacks prefer their balls at a higher PSI if lower PSI balls were an inherent absolute advantage for their teams?

You are also making my point. So having a lower PSI ball isn't an absolute advantage then. If that was the case it wouldn't be a preference at all right? Every team would be trying to get their balls as low as possible.

Seriously? Your argument is all over the place and more indicative of a fanboy rather than an intelligent discussion

The potential connection between deflated balls and fumbles was discovered after the Patriots were caught with their balls deflated. You know, the AFC championship game, with only the Superbowl next. And there hasn't been any nfl games since?

Like all the Barry Bonds apologists who kept trying to argue steroids don't actually make you a better player.

 

[lupi]

I was wondering today what Goodell (and attorneys) will say when Brady's team asks them to turn over all emails and phone records pertaining to this incident. If they are innocent, they'll oblige right?

They turned over all their info when investigated for the Rice affair, unlike someone else in this discussion.

 

[cubby1223]

I saw a fan crowdfunding page to pay off the fine.

That is quite interesting for a league to deal with. Basically we're allowing fans to pay money to enable their team to cheat outside of the league rules. This sure is going to work out well for the NFL!

 

[norseamd]

Fucking tribalism.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?324708-1/sir-david-cannadine-undivided-past

 

[Capt Caveman]

I saw a fan crowdfunding page to pay off the fine.

That is quite interesting for a league to deal with. Basically we're allowing fans to pay money to enable their team to cheat outside of the league rules. This sure is going to work out well for the NFL!

It's already been done before to pay for a player's fine. Little late with the hate.

Note this crowdfunding page was started by an Eagles fan. Earlier, he did it to pay Marshawn Lynch's fine.

 

[cubby1223]

It's already been done before to pay for a player's fine. Little late with the hate.

Are you defending Patriots fans for financially supporting your team to keep on cheating?

If you hadn't noticed, I didn't defend any other crowdfunding. I wasn't aware of any fine crowdfunding previously, I would have said the same thing. My opinion it's pathetic of sports fans to do so.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Are you defending Patriots fans for financially supporting your team to keep on cheating?

SMH

You're an idiot.

 

[smackababy]

Are you defending Patriots fans for financially supporting your team to keep on cheating?

If you hadn't noticed, I didn't defend any other crowdfunding. I wasn't aware of any fine crowdfunding previously, I would have said the same thing. My opinion it's pathetic of sports fans to do so.

By cheating, do you mean, maybe cheating but with no real evidence confirming or denying them of it? Oh, but, they once cheated in the past (doing something quite a few coaches came out and said was standard practice anyway) entirely differently.

 

[cubby1223]

SMH

You're an idiot.

Can you write any post in this thread that doesn't get prefaced with "I'm a Patriots, therefore:"

 

[cubby1223]

By cheating, do you mean, maybe cheating but with no real evidence confirming or denying them of it? Oh, but, they once cheated in the past (doing something quite a few coaches came out and said was standard practice anyway) entirely differently.

I'm pretty sure the punishment is more on their absolute refusal to aid in the investigation. The NFL has too much money riding on the line to be fucked with. And I'm also pretty sure the refusal to aid is because the Patriots knew exactly what they had been doing.

Yes, fans are willing to pay to enable cheating From what I've seen that was gathered, there is sufficient evidence to peg the Patriots with deflation. The only lack of evidence, really, is on the who exactly knew what. But that's more attributed to the stonewalling, which I believe is the greater percentage of the punishment.

 

[Ban Bot]

"We asked you the story 4 times, and on the 5th you changed some very small details or omitted something unimportnat! Ha! Got you!"

No, that isn't what happened. The NFL security talked with him 3 times and Ted Wells 1 time. The Patriots told Ted Wells to do his OWN investigation and to disregard the NFL investigation and that the Patriots would "fully cooperate."

Well, Ted Wells wanted a 2nd face-to-face and the Pats declined.

This can be filed under other false pretenses in this thread like "it is only a $25,000 fine" and "there is no evidence." McNally was called the deflator because he drives a low rider and Jastremski joked about turning him into ESPN because of his ride. Yeah, right.

Of course Pat fans keep running back to "incontrovertible evidence" that Kraft falsely set as the standard, ignoring the standard the NFL set for such infractions way back at Spygate (remember that Pat fans?), and the most glaring issue being Tom Brady wasn't suspended for just cheating. The report claims he wasn't fully truthful or cooperative and this damaged the league.

I find it ironic that most defenders are trying to poke holes in the case instead of asking: Did Tom Brady know, even possibly instruct, the balls to be prepped this way?

Who is saying with a straight face that McNally never tampered with the balls and Tom Brady didn't know? (This would be a good poll question).

The dig at the Ravens lack of integrity for the 2 game Ray Rice suspension is rich considering your Boys just signed a dude, before they even knew his punishment, who was accused of threatening a woman while throwing her on firearms and signed another guy who was "not a suspect" but wanted for police interviews as his ex was murdered. Now I believe people deserve second chances (and think the tackle out of LSU got a raw deal based on the facts known today), and very much would prefer our legal system and not the NFL dole out punishment, but this is throwing rocks in glass houses. Two wrongs don't make a right, etc.