"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[cubby1223]

No, he didn't but keep on posting FUD. Colts’ D’Qwell Jackson says he did not spark DeflateGate by noticing football's feel on interception

From the article:

Linebacker says he wanted picked off ball as a souvenir, which is why he brought it to the sideline, not because he felt deflation.

Oh, yea, that's sooooo much more believable of a story! There are only 12 game balls per team, let's start plucking them as souvenirs while the game is still playing on!

“I’ll do my best to try to get ahold of it,” Jackson told the AP. “But right now it’s in the middle of, what do they call it, ‘Deflategate.'"

It's only the talk of the sports world, which you happen to be near the center of, and you're stumbling to recall what it's been named?

 

[cubby1223]

Nope, didn't read that article until now. I just jumped on the NE bandwagon hate because I thought it was funny watching NE fans passionately defend their team.

It is pretty funny I have a friend from Boston, and all he ever does is whine about how imperfect Boston teams are and how much they struggle to win games.

 

[Capt Caveman]

From the article:

Oh, yea, that's sooooo much more believable of a story! There are only 12 game balls per team, let's start plucking them as souvenirs while the game is still playing on!

You haven't watched too many football games have you? You do know Mike Adams of Indy kept both balls that he intercepted from Brady in the game in November.

 

[cubby1223]

You haven't watched too many football games have you? You do know Mike Adams of Indy kept both balls that he intercepted from Brady in the game in November.

I've cut way back on football watching. That's so stupid if they allow them to take game equipment out of play like that.

 

[Anubis]

I've cut way back on football watching. That's so stupid if they allow them to take game equipment out of play like that.

this isnt new, many players keep the balls they score a TD with and have forever

What about the running backs and all the wide receivers catching the ball on the team? It's as if catching a deflated ball is normal for them.

Same logic applies to everyone, they don't give it a second thought i can almost guarantee it

 

[soulcougher73]

Nope, didn't read that article until now. I just jumped on the NE bandwagon hate because I thought it was funny watching NE fans passionately defend their team.

Any fan of their team would defend their team against FUD like this story. It is 100% totally fabricated bullshit and has already been deemed so by practically every player who has ever touched a ball.

 

[NoCreativity]

So bill's fumbling tolerance magically went down a standard deviation in 2007 than from his SB years? We can probably find evidence of him pulling fumblers before 2007. For example, a quick google search shows he benched Doug Gabriel for fumbling in 2006:
http://articles.courant.com/2006-11-14/sports/0611140121_1_patriots-bill-belichick-doug-gabriel

The 185.3 number you keep bringing up is based on fumbles lost, not overall fumbles. While interesting, a pretty disingenuous portrayal trying to show PSI reduces fumbles. If you are trying to support your argument that PSI reduces fumbles, why look at a stat other than fumbles?

The numbers for overall fumbles puts NE near the top of the pack but nowhere near way ahead of the rest of the league. And as another poster already pointed out, did bill's fumbling tolerance magically go up for the 2013 season?

 

[purbeast0]

this thread is great. every time i come back, it's like someone stupider has posted in here.

this thread is approaching trident levels.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I'll bet Blount was pissed when he heard about this. Probably could have run for 300 with a properly inflated ball. Instead he has to live with just 150 and 3 TDs.

 

[Ns1]

Video shows employee taking 24 balls into bathroom

Posted by Mike Florio on January 26, 2015, 10:55 PM EST
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On Monday, Jay Glazer of FOX Sports added the next new big piece of news in #DeflateGate, reporting that the NFL has interviewed a locker room attendant who allegedly took footballs from the officials’ locker room after they had been inspected and approved “to another area on way to field” before the start of the game.

PFT can now contribute additional details to that story.

First, per a league source, the other “area on way to field” is a bathroom. The bathroom consists of one toilet and one sink and a door that locks from the inside.

Second, according to the same source, the person carried two bags of balls into the bathroom: the 12 balls to be used by the Patriots and the 12 balls to be used by the Colts.

Third, from the same source, the evidence comes from a surveillance video that was discovered by the Patriots and given to the NFL early in the investigation.

Fourth, again from the same source, the video shows the employee in the bathroom for approximately 90 seconds.

Could the employee have fished 12 balls out of a fairly large bag, deflated each of them by two pounds, put them back into the bag, and exited the bathroom in roughly 90 seconds? That question will surely become the centerpiece of the next red state/blue state debate between folks who have determined that the Patriots have done something wrong and those who are staunchly defending the franchise.

And, yes, the photo accompanying this story was taken inside one of the bathrooms at Gillette Stadium. When NBC broadcast the Ravens-Patriots playoff game from Foxboro on January 10, Florio Jr. demanded pictures from the venue. Since he didn’t specify where he wanted them from, I took one inside the bathroom and texted it to him.


He didn’t think it was funny.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

 

[cubby1223]

Any fan of their team would defend their team against FUD like this story. It is 100% totally fabricated bullshit and has already been deemed so by practically every player who has ever touched a ball.

100% totally fabricated? So you are saying the footballs were within the specifications of the official rules?

 

[Ban Bot]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

This looks worse than it is IMO. 90 seconds is enough to deflate balls BUT I think he was peeing. The context (major deviation since 2007, multiple reports of underinflated balls) makes the ball boy's actions look worse than they are. 50/50 he was going to the bathroom, hence benefit of the doubt even if things do look bad for him.

That said I think the most likely scenario is the balls were prepped in a way to naturally be underinflated. I would be SHOCKED if someone was literally purging air from balls. If that can be proven both deserve a ban from the game (first for breaking the rules, second for lying) but there is no way either of them are that dumb.

 

[Ns1]

This looks worse than it is IMO. 90 seconds is enough to deflate balls BUT I think he was peeing. The context (major deviation since 2007, multiple reports of underinflated balls) makes the ball boy's actions look worse than they are. 50/50 he was going to the bathroom, hence benefit of the doubt even if things do look bad for him.

That said I think the most likely scenario is the balls were prepped in a way to naturally be underinflated. I would be SHOCKED if someone was literally purging air from balls. If that can be proven both deserve a ban from the game (first for breaking the rules, second for lying) but there is no way either of them are that dumb.

I agree on both counts , but I'm not a hardcore football fan so my opinion is worthless.

 

[smackababy]

I agree on both counts , but I'm not a hardcore football fan so my opinion is worthless.

I hope it comes out that he peed on the balls! Take that Thomas Brady!

 

[Anubis]

Or it could be due to better ball protection due to a -2psi deflated ball. You'd have to be a total fanboy to ignore a statistical spike like that started the same exact year they got to use their own football. It's not causative by any means, but it shows that the Pats have enjoyed a statistical advantage over all other teams in the league not even seen in their SB winning years. Only a moron would outright dismiss these numbers from a reputable site like AFA. And that's not even touching on the former players.

Pats not fumbling is not something new, this year is low but not as low as 2 others

Since 2000- this is just the number of fumbles recorded for Regular season Rushing/receiving. its been a downward trend for 14 years

2000 - 17 fumbles
2001 - 15 fumbles
2002 - 13 fumbles
2003 - 10 fumbles
2004 - 11 fumbles
2005 - 10 fumbles
2006 - 12 fumbles
2007 - 7 fumbles
2008 - 9 fumbles
2009 - 11 fumbles
2010 - 4 fumbles
2011 - 4 fumbles
2012 - 11 fumbles
2013 - 12 fumbles
2014 - 5 fumbles

 

[Ban Bot]

Pats not fumbling is not something new, this year is low but not as low as 2 others

Since 2000- this is just the number of fumbles recorded for Regular season Rushing/receiving. its been a downward trend for 14 years

2000 - 17 fumbles
2001 - 15 fumbles
2002 - 13 fumbles
2003 - 10 fumbles
2004 - 11 fumbles
2005 - 10 fumbles
2006 - 12 fumbles
2007 - 7 fumbles
2008 - 9 fumbles
2009 - 11 fumbles
2010 - 4 fumbles
2011 - 4 fumbles
2012 - 11 fumbles
2013 - 12 fumbles
2014 - 5 fumbles

I agree with the trending observation (which the links to the 2x advanced analytics show in detail) but those numbers look a little off. So I checked 2001 and NE had 29 fumbles (#23t), of which 13 were lost (#16t).

Anyways, yes, it is a fact New England starting around 2007 began getting a lot better in regards to fumbling. That was the year they could prep their own balls... coincidence of course.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Anyways, yes, it is a fact New England starting around 2007 began getting a lot better in regards to fumbling. That was the year they could prep their own balls... coincidence of course.

Now THERE's an awesome correlation to think about.

 

[alien42]

So you're saying the Pats cheated every year except 2013? They just wanted a 1 year break from cheating?
What about Carolina in 2013? Was the Patriots ball boy working there in 2013?

if you read the article you would know that...

"The 2013 season is an oddity in that the Patriots were actually slightly worse than the rest of the NFL. Looking at that season, its apparent the reason: of the Patriots 23 fumbles that season, 6 (over 25%) occurred in a Sunday night game vs the Broncos played in 22 degree weather, with 22 mph winds and a wind chill of 6 degrees. Cold conditions of this nature absolutely cause more fumbles than usual. They fumbled a TOTAL of 5 times in 11 of their 16 games in 2013 (69% of their total games), so it truly was this week 12 “antarctic” game (and a week 17 game vs the Bills which saw 4 fumbles) which really put the Patriots fumble rates for 2013 out of sync."

 

[smackababy]

NM. Didn't see the chart was for non QBs.

 

[NoCreativity]

if you read the article you would know that...

"The 2013 season is an oddity in that the Patriots were actually slightly worse than the rest of the NFL. Looking at that season, its apparent the reason: of the Patriots 23 fumbles that season, 6 (over 25%) occurred in a Sunday night game vs the Broncos played in 22 degree weather, with 22 mph winds and a wind chill of 6 degrees. Cold conditions of this nature absolutely cause more fumbles than usual. They fumbled a TOTAL of 5 times in 11 of their 16 games in 2013 (69% of their total games), so it truly was this week 12 “antarctic” game (and a week 17 game vs the Bills which saw 4 fumbles) which really put the Patriots fumble rates for 2013 out of sync."

And here is a counter point to the article that says maybe they guys maths might be off a little...

http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-those-statistics-about-the-patriots-fumbles-are-mos-1681805710

 

[digiram]

You know what happens to running backs that fumble on a Bill Bellicheck team? They don't go out for a series, they don't go out for a quarter, they are done for the game. I know this first hand since I started Ridley in FF week 1 of last year. I was very upset at the Hoodie. Not holding on to footballs, and making it to practice in time appear to be serious issues in NE.

 

[Ns1]

You know what happens to running backs that fumble on a Bill Bellicheck team? They don't go out for a series, they don't go out for a quarter, they are done for the game. I know this first hand since I started Ridley in FF week 1 of last year. I was very upset at the Hoodie. Not holding on to footballs, and making it to practice in time appear to be serious issues in NE.

This man is a fantasy football coach - better show some respect ya'll and listen to his authoritay.

 

[soulcougher73]

100% totally fabricated? So you are saying the footballs were within the specifications of the official rules?

When tested they were fine. They could have been at the bare min official rule and then lost some due to weather factors etc. So when played they are under spec. But that is an issue with the rules more so than anything. Doesnt mean any actual cheating was taking place.

 

[emperus]

This looks worse than it is IMO. 90 seconds is enough to deflate balls BUT I think he was peeing. The context (major deviation since 2007, multiple reports of underinflated balls) makes the ball boy's actions look worse than they are. 50/50 he was going to the bathroom, hence benefit of the doubt even if things do look bad for him.

That said I think the most likely scenario is the balls were prepped in a way to naturally be underinflated. I would be SHOCKED if someone was literally purging air from balls. If that can be proven both deserve a ban from the game (first for breaking the rules, second for lying) but there is no way either of them are that dumb.

90 seconds to take each ball out, deflate each one 2 psi each and then leave the bathroom? I think that is a stretch.

 

[BoomerD]

90 seconds to take each ball out, deflate each one 2 psi each and then leave the bathroom? I think that is a stretch.

Agreed...but it's more than enough time to switch the bag-o-balls...hell, that's a more likely scenario than the guy deflating each one...in 90 seconds.