"Tom Brady prefer his balls to feel a certain way" - balls underinflated

[DrPizza]

Why can't people just consider that all of the teams cheat like this?

If a QB tells you he can't tell the difference between a ball underinflated 16%, or overinflated by 16%, he's lying. (Or not a professional quarterback)

Here's a thought: what if they inflate the balls used for kickoffs at a very low temperature? Then, they're overinflated by the time the game starts. Easier to kick further, harder to hold onto, more fumbles by the opponents, etc.

 

[SP33Demon]

Why can't people just consider that all of the teams cheat like this?

If a QB tells you he can't tell the difference between a ball underinflated 16%, or overinflated by 16%, he's lying. (Or not a professional quarterback)

Here's a thought: what if they inflate the balls used for kickoffs at a very low temperature? Then, they're overinflated by the time the game starts. Easier to kick further, harder to hold onto, more fumbles by the opponents, etc.

Wrong, statistics show it's not all teams that are cheating. Only one team has an entire standard deviation in fumbling and it's the Pats. Check out these bombshell results:
http://www.advancedfootballanalytic...ral/224-the-patriots-have-great-ball-security

Whoa. In this case NE is at the top of the list, and the next best team is a distant second. Notice how the second team (BLT) through the second to last team (PHI) have rates that are within 1 or 2 plays of each other. NE, however, is better than the next best team by 20 plays per fumble.
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Addendum 2: @brian30tw pointed out that NE's big improvement in fumble rate occurred in '07, precisely when the NFL's rule allowing visiting teams to bring their own balls went into effect. Other teams didn't have such good fortune.

From some other statistical analysis done:
According to Stats, LLC, the six players who have played extensively for the Patriots and other teams in this span all fumbled far less frequently wearing the New England uniform. Including recovered fumbles, Danny Amendola, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Brandon LaFell and LeGarrette Blount have lost the ball eight times in 1,482 touches for the Patriots since 2010, or once every 185.3 times. For their other teams, they fumbled 22 times in 1,701 touches (once every 77.3).

Summary: Since the rule change in 2007 that home teams get to supply the footballs, the Pats were better than the next best team by 20+ plays per fumble. Additionally, their ex-players are fumbling at over double the rate when they go to other teams. Coincidence? Yeah right.

 

[Ns1]

Wrong, statistics show it's not all teams that are cheating. Only one team has an entire standard deviation in fumbling and it's the Pats. Check out these bombshell results:
http://www.advancedfootballanalytic...ral/224-the-patriots-have-great-ball-security



From some other statistical analysis done:
According to Stats, LLC, the six players who have played extensively for the Patriots and other teams in this span all fumbled far less frequently wearing the New England uniform. Including recovered fumbles, Danny Amendola, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Brandon LaFell and LeGarrette Blount have lost the ball eight times in 1,482 touches for the Patriots since 2010, or once every 185.3 times. For their other teams, they fumbled 22 times in 1,701 touches (once every 77.3).

Summary: Since the rule change in 2007 that home teams get to supply the footballs, the Pats were better than the next best team by 20+ plays per fumble. Additionally, their ex-players are fumbling at over double the rate when they go to other teams. Coincidence? Yeah right.

another fine example of correlation = causation



wait what?

 

[smackababy]

Wrong, statistics show it's not all teams that are cheating. Only one team has an entire standard deviation in fumbling and it's the Pats. Check out these bombshell results:
http://www.advancedfootballanalytic...ral/224-the-patriots-have-great-ball-security



From some other statistical analysis done:
According to Stats, LLC, the six players who have played extensively for the Patriots and other teams in this span all fumbled far less frequently wearing the New England uniform. Including recovered fumbles, Danny Amendola, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Brandon LaFell and LeGarrette Blount have lost the ball eight times in 1,482 touches for the Patriots since 2010, or once every 185.3 times. For their other teams, they fumbled 22 times in 1,701 touches (once every 77.3).

Summary: Since the rule change in 2007 that home teams get to supply the footballs, the Pats were better than the next best team by 20+ plays per fumble. Additionally, their ex-players are fumbling at over double the rate when they go to other teams. Coincidence? Yeah right.

Omg you're so right! I mean, it couldn't be that perhaps they focus longer during practice on ball management / handling. Or, that Bill puts the fear of God in your about losing a ball. Hell, Gray had a 200 yard game fresh of the practice squad, was late for a meeting, and benching the rest of the season. FOR BEING A FEW MINUTES LATE. Imagine if he had fumbled! He'd have been traded to the Jets!

 

[SP33Demon]

Omg you're so right! I mean, it couldn't be that perhaps they focus longer during practice on ball management / handling. Or, that Bill puts the fear of God in your about losing a ball. Hell, Gray had a 200 yard game fresh of the practice squad, was late for a meeting, and benching the rest of the season. FOR BEING A FEW MINUTES LATE. Imagine if he had fumbled! He'd have been traded to the Jets!

Or it could be due to better ball protection due to a -2psi deflated ball. You'd have to be a total fanboy to ignore a statistical spike like that started the same exact year they got to use their own football. It's not causative by any means, but it shows that the Pats have enjoyed a statistical advantage over all other teams in the league not even seen in their SB winning years. Only a moron would outright dismiss these numbers from a reputable site like AFA. And that's not even touching on the former players.

 

[BeeBoop]

Those are some solid stats. Very interesting.

 

[emperus]

Wrong, statistics show it's not all teams that are cheating. Only one team has an entire standard deviation in fumbling and it's the Pats. Check out these bombshell results:
http://www.advancedfootballanalytic...ral/224-the-patriots-have-great-ball-security



From some other statistical analysis done:
According to Stats, LLC, the six players who have played extensively for the Patriots and other teams in this span all fumbled far less frequently wearing the New England uniform. Including recovered fumbles, Danny Amendola, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Brandon LaFell and LeGarrette Blount have lost the ball eight times in 1,482 touches for the Patriots since 2010, or once every 185.3 times. For their other teams, they fumbled 22 times in 1,701 touches (once every 77.3).

Summary: Since the rule change in 2007 that home teams get to supply the footballs, the Pats were better than the next best team by 20+ plays per fumble. Additionally, their ex-players are fumbling at over double the rate when they go to other teams. Coincidence? Yeah right.

Please. Belichick has a low tolerance for fumbling. He generally prefers less flashy backs to backs who fumble more. A correlation is not causation.

 

[SP33Demon]

Please. Belichick has a low tolerance for fumbling. He generally prefers less flashy backs to backs who fumble more. A correlation is not causation.

So bill's fumbling tolerance magically went down a standard deviation in 2007 than from his SB years? We can probably find evidence of him pulling fumblers before 2007. For example, a quick google search shows he benched Doug Gabriel for fumbling in 2006:
http://articles.courant.com/2006-11-14/sports/0611140121_1_patriots-bill-belichick-doug-gabriel

 

[cabri]

So bill's fumbling tolerance magically went down a standard deviation in 2007 than from his SB years? We can probably find evidence of him pulling fumblers before 2007. For example, a quick google search shows he benched Doug Gabriel for fumbling in 2006:
http://articles.courant.com/2006-11-14/sports/0611140121_1_patriots-bill-belichick-doug-gabriel

Given that
Looks Like The NFL Will Try To Pin 'Deflategate' On A Locker Room Attendant,
it will be interesting to see when the attendant started working for the Pats.

We do know that Belichick is a stickler on fumbling :thumbsup:

 

[Jimzz]

Given that
Looks Like The NFL Will Try To Pin 'Deflategate' On A Locker Room Attendant,
it will be interesting to see when the attendant started working for the Pats.

We do know that Belichick is a stickler on fumbling :thumbsup:

That and if his bank account suddenly rises a lot next year with a new great paying job as well. ()

 

[tential]

Or it could be due to better ball protection due to a -2psi deflated ball. You'd have to be a total fanboy to ignore a statistical spike like that started the same exact year they got to use their own football. It's not causative by any means, but it shows that the Pats have enjoyed a statistical advantage over all other teams in the league not even seen in their SB winning years. Only a moron would outright dismiss these numbers from a reputable site like AFA. And that's not even touching on the former players.

So you're saying the Pats cheated every year except 2013? They just wanted a 1 year break from cheating?
What about Carolina in 2013? Was the Patriots ball boy working there in 2013?

 

[emperus]

So bill's fumbling tolerance magically went down a standard deviation in 2007 than from his SB years? We can probably find evidence of him pulling fumblers before 2007. For example, a quick google search shows he benched Doug Gabriel for fumbling in 2006:
http://articles.courant.com/2006-11-14/sports/0611140121_1_patriots-bill-belichick-doug-gabriel

Umm. Doug Gabriel was a nobody to the Pats.

ALso the person who wrote the article decided to separate out the indoor from the outdoor teams. That being the only way he came up with the Pats being number one is Fumbles per possession. But if you look closer to the wo teams that he exorcised who had higher fumbles per possessions because they were indoor teams, you would notice that they too were predominately pass heavy teams. It's harder to fumble when you're throwing the ball a lot and have a good quarterback who doesn't give up strip sacks.

BTW, what else happened in 2007? The Pats acquired Randy Moss and the pats became a heavily pass oriented team.

 

[BeeBoop]

Apparently there's plenty of people who are gullible enough to believe an MVP quarterback wouldn't know what a deflated football feels like. Seriously? An MVP QB who is very meticulous about picking his balls before a game and petitioned a rule to have his very own special balls?

Tom Cheated
BilliCheated

Tom Cheated
BelliCheated

Tom Cheated
BilliCheated

There's a rhyme in here somewhere.

Tom Cheated
BilliCheated
The Patriot's football was depleted.
NFL fans are awaiting a final verdict to be completed.
Then the NE fans became superheated
Because the negative media coverage is being repeated
Making the Patriot's fans feel defeated.

 

[tential]

Apparently there's plenty of people who are gullible enough to believe an MVP quarterback wouldn't know what a deflated football feels like. Seriously? An MVP QB who is very meticulous about picking his balls before a game and petitioned a rule to have his very own special balls?

Tom Cheated
BilliCheated

Tom Cheated
BelliCheated

Tom Cheated
BilliCheated

There's a rhyme in here somewhere.

Tom Cheated
BilliCheated
The Patriot's football was depleted.
NFL fans are awaiting a final verdict to be completed.
Then the NE fans became superheated.
Now the constant media coverage is making Patriot's fans feel defeated.

Huh? Patriots are always constantly covered. A team with the most winningest QB in the history of the game will generally mean you're covered all the time.

Including after they win this superbowl too.

 

[BeeBoop]

Thanks. I'll change it to "negative media coverage".

 

[Anubis]

Apparently there's plenty of people who are gullible enough to believe an MVP quarterback wouldn't know what a deflated football feels like. Seriously? An MVP QB who is very meticulous about picking his balls before a game and petitioned a rule to have his very own special balls?

Tom Cheated
BilliCheated

Tom Cheated
BelliCheated

Tom Cheated
BilliCheated

There's a rhyme in here somewhere.

Tom Cheated
BilliCheated
The Patriot's football was depleted.
NFL fans are awaiting a final verdict to be completed.
Then the NE fans became superheated
Because the negative media coverage is being repeated
Making the Patriot's fans feel defeated.

As someone who has played sports yes it is 100% possible to not notice something like that when u are in the zone.

 

[BeeBoop]

As someone who has played sports yes it is 100% possible to not notice something like that when u are in the zone.

What about the running backs and all the wide receivers catching the ball on the team? It's as if catching a deflated ball is normal for them.

 

[purbeast0]

the butthurt in this thread has gotten very strong.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Apparently there's plenty of people who are gullible enough to believe an MVP quarterback wouldn't know what a deflated football feels like. Seriously? An MVP QB who is very meticulous about picking his balls before a game and petitioned a rule to have his very own special balls?

Jelly

You do know one of NE's biggest haters Jerome Bettis on ESPN couldn't tell the difference between a deflated and normal football. Keep on posting FUD though, makes you only look more stupid.

And a SB winning QB couldn't tell the difference either - Theismann throws deflated balls, says he can't tell the difference

 

[BeeBoop]

D’Qwell Jackson could...

 

[emperus]

D’Qwell Jackson could...

Actually, he couldn't per his own words. Again, most of all this is innuendo and false reporting.

 

[Capt Caveman]

D’Qwell Jackson could...

No, he didn't but keep on posting FUD. Colts’ D’Qwell Jackson says he did not spark DeflateGate by noticing football's feel on interception

 

[BeeBoop]

No, he didn't but keep on posting FUD. Colts’ D’Qwell Jackson says he did not spark DeflateGate by noticing football's feel on interception

So why is there even an investigation? lol

 

[waggy]

D’Qwell Jackson could...

hmmm

No, he didn't but keep on posting FUD. Colts’ D’Qwell Jackson says he did not spark DeflateGate by noticing football's feel on interception

oops guess you didn't read that.


lol this is the story that keeps on giving!

 

[BeeBoop]

Nope, didn't read that article until now. I just jumped on the NE bandwagon hate because I thought it was funny watching NE fans passionately defend their team.