Today I stop smoking (178 Day Update)

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon
Sweet, I quit cold turkey 4 years ago.

Recently I've been smoking a bit here and there on the weekends.

Are you nuts!! I hope I never get that weak! It just takes one to fall off the wagon.


Ausm

One? BS. You've quit for 8 months, that's not a lot of time. I was gungho about it for the first 2 years.
I like to smoke occasionally when I'm drunk. That's about it.

I like smoking, just not full time. Full time smoking makes you feel like crap and drains the wallet.

 

[InlineFive]

Good luck! Your lungs will thank you.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon
Sweet, I quit cold turkey 4 years ago.

Recently I've been smoking a bit here and there on the weekends.

Are you nuts!! I hope I never get that weak! It just takes one to fall off the wagon.


Ausm

One? BS. You've quit for 8 months, that's not a lot of time. I was gungho about it for the first 2 years.
I like to smoke occasionally when I'm drunk. That's about it.

I like smoking, just not full time. Full time smoking makes you feel like crap and drains the wallet.

Part time smoker? LMAO that is like being a part time alcoholic

Your reasoning is absurd.

Ausm

 

[xXped0thugXx]

its been 24 days for me


use peppermints or gum everytime you have a craving.


as most people know its not the nicotine its the habit, after meals, after you get outta work, in the car.


break the habit and your good. I've had a couple drunk cigarettes but thats it. Good Luck

 

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon
Sweet, I quit cold turkey 4 years ago.

Recently I've been smoking a bit here and there on the weekends.

Are you nuts!! I hope I never get that weak! It just takes one to fall off the wagon.


Ausm

One? BS. You've quit for 8 months, that's not a lot of time. I was gungho about it for the first 2 years.
I like to smoke occasionally when I'm drunk. That's about it.

I like smoking, just not full time. Full time smoking makes you feel like crap and drains the wallet.

Part time smoker? LMAO that is like being a part time alcoholic

Your reasoning is absurd.

Ausm

Where did I say part time smoker? I said I like to smoke occasionally when I drink. Meaning I bum a smoke from a friend, smoking no more than half of it and no more than one or two a night. There is no reasoning involved. That is just what I like to do.

I've quit for 5 times as long as you, so I don't need to hear your lectures.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon
Sweet, I quit cold turkey 4 years ago.

Recently I've been smoking a bit here and there on the weekends.

Are you nuts!! I hope I never get that weak! It just takes one to fall off the wagon.


Ausm

One? BS. You've quit for 8 months, that's not a lot of time. I was gungho about it for the first 2 years.
I like to smoke occasionally when I'm drunk. That's about it.

I like smoking, just not full time. Full time smoking makes you feel like crap and drains the wallet.

Part time smoker? LMAO that is like being a part time alcoholic

Your reasoning is absurd.

Ausm

Where did I say part time smoker? I said I like to smoke occasionally when I drink. Meaning I bum a smoke from a friend, smoking no more than half of it and no more than one or two a night. There is no reasoning involved. That is just what I like to do.

I've quit for 5 times as long as you, so I don't need to hear your lectures.

Lectures? I call it plain and simple logical thinking.


You bum smokes from other people...now I know why I find you so annoying. I used to hate that sh!t especially when smokes cost over 3 bucks/pack.



Ausm

 

[Cogman]

Yes, your lungs will thank you if you are sucessful. As a side note, my class went on a cadaver trip. They had one person that was a life long smoker, there lungs where smaller and hard as a rock, A healthy persons lungs are almost spunge like. Kindof fun to squeze. Yes I am a little morbid.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Cogman
Yes, your lungs will thank you if you are sucessful. As a side note, my class went on a cadaver trip. They had one person that was a life long smoker, there lungs where smaller and hard as a rock, A healthy persons lungs are almost spunge like. Kindof fun to squeze. Yes I am a little morbid.

That brings back memories All I remember is about ten people passing out.

I was eating some Doritos

Ausm

 

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon
Sweet, I quit cold turkey 4 years ago.

Recently I've been smoking a bit here and there on the weekends.

Are you nuts!! I hope I never get that weak! It just takes one to fall off the wagon.


Ausm

One? BS. You've quit for 8 months, that's not a lot of time. I was gungho about it for the first 2 years.
I like to smoke occasionally when I'm drunk. That's about it.

I like smoking, just not full time. Full time smoking makes you feel like crap and drains the wallet.

Part time smoker? LMAO that is like being a part time alcoholic

Your reasoning is absurd.

Ausm

Where did I say part time smoker? I said I like to smoke occasionally when I drink. Meaning I bum a smoke from a friend, smoking no more than half of it and no more than one or two a night. There is no reasoning involved. That is just what I like to do.

I've quit for 5 times as long as you, so I don't need to hear your lectures.

Lectures? I call it plain and simple logical thinking.


You bum smokes from other people...now I know why I find you so annoying. I used to hate that sh!t especially when smokes cost over 3 bucks/pack.


Ausm

My gf smokes, so I would never trouble a stranger for a cigarette, ever. I used to smoke so I know full well how that works. So way to go for making that assumption. Care to make any more?

Logic has very little to do with human desire. Logically everyone, including you, would live their lives perfectly. Since you and I both know that isn't true logic really doesn't come into play here.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon
Sweet, I quit cold turkey 4 years ago.

Recently I've been smoking a bit here and there on the weekends.

Are you nuts!! I hope I never get that weak! It just takes one to fall off the wagon.


Ausm

One? BS. You've quit for 8 months, that's not a lot of time. I was gungho about it for the first 2 years.
I like to smoke occasionally when I'm drunk. That's about it.

I like smoking, just not full time. Full time smoking makes you feel like crap and drains the wallet.

Part time smoker? LMAO that is like being a part time alcoholic

Your reasoning is absurd.

Ausm

Where did I say part time smoker? I said I like to smoke occasionally when I drink. Meaning I bum a smoke from a friend, smoking no more than half of it and no more than one or two a night. There is no reasoning involved. That is just what I like to do.

I've quit for 5 times as long as you, so I don't need to hear your lectures.

Lectures? I call it plain and simple logical thinking.


You bum smokes from other people...now I know why I find you so annoying. I used to hate that sh!t especially when smokes cost over 3 bucks/pack.


Ausm

My gf smokes, so I would never trouble a stranger for a cigarette, ever. I used to smoke so I know full well how that works. So way to go for making that assumption. Care to make any more?

Logic has very little to do with human desire. Logically everyone, including you, would live their lives perfectly. Since you and I both know that isn't true logic really doesn't come into play here.

Smoking is stupid period!!

That is not an assumption and personally I don't give a rats ass if you chain smoke yourself to a premature burial

Oh, Better get your testosterone level checked

You way to headstrong to take sound advice


Ausm

 

[thegimp03]

Good luck man...you'll need it.

 

[marcello]

Originally posted by: phreakah
hey hevnsnt i'm goin out for a smoke break, wanna come with?

That's some cold, fvcked up sh|t

 

[joinT]

I recently had a book suggested to me by a friend who has recently quit. From what I understand it breaks the mental barriers about understanding your addiction. My friend said he read the book, smoking whenever, and quit at the end of the book.
I checked on Amazon and there are multiple versions of this book (I believe, they may have slight differentiation) but they are all generally entitled "Allen Carr's easy way to stop smoking"
This is a friend who has tried to quit many times. This time appears different, as he isn't anxious, edgy, nervous or any of the other symptoms that generally follow nicotine withdrawal, he can deal with it better. I would suggest this book as he thoroughly convinced me to pick up a copy the next time I'm in chapters.

Good Luck to you

 

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: SampSon
Sweet, I quit cold turkey 4 years ago.

Recently I've been smoking a bit here and there on the weekends.

Are you nuts!! I hope I never get that weak! It just takes one to fall off the wagon.


Ausm

One? BS. You've quit for 8 months, that's not a lot of time. I was gungho about it for the first 2 years.
I like to smoke occasionally when I'm drunk. That's about it.

I like smoking, just not full time. Full time smoking makes you feel like crap and drains the wallet.

Part time smoker? LMAO that is like being a part time alcoholic

Your reasoning is absurd.

Ausm

Where did I say part time smoker? I said I like to smoke occasionally when I drink. Meaning I bum a smoke from a friend, smoking no more than half of it and no more than one or two a night. There is no reasoning involved. That is just what I like to do.

I've quit for 5 times as long as you, so I don't need to hear your lectures.

Lectures? I call it plain and simple logical thinking.


You bum smokes from other people...now I know why I find you so annoying. I used to hate that sh!t especially when smokes cost over 3 bucks/pack.


Ausm

My gf smokes, so I would never trouble a stranger for a cigarette, ever. I used to smoke so I know full well how that works. So way to go for making that assumption. Care to make any more?

Logic has very little to do with human desire. Logically everyone, including you, would live their lives perfectly. Since you and I both know that isn't true logic really doesn't come into play here.

Smoking is stupid period!!

That is not an assumption and personally I don't give a rats ass if you chain smoke yourself to a premature burial

Oh, Better get your testosterone level checked

You way to headstrong to take sound advice


Ausm

I took sound advice(from myself) 4 years before you did.
Yes what you did was make an assumption.
My testosterone level is fine, ask my gf.

Smoking has turned into the scapegoat of american society. Along with guns, alcohol, racism and fat people. Smoking is an age old pasttime that won't disappear because the medical world has figured out scientifically that it's bad for you.
There are so many things that are bad for you that you just treat as an accepted margin of error. So all of thoes things are just as stupid as smoking, but you more readily accept them.

Now I will agree that the product contemporary tobacco companies manufacture is much different, and the way we as society use it is much different from tobaccos historical useage.
We can only blame ourselves for that "progression" though.

 

[Krueger81]

good luck,

I quit cold turkey, after smoking for 8 years, 4 months ago. Haven't Smoked since.

Phil

 

[FreshFish]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Smoking has turned into the scapegoat of american society. Along with guns, alcohol, racism and fat people. Smoking is an age old pasttime that won't disappear because the medical world has figured out scientifically that it's bad for you.

Logical fallacy: Argumentum ad antiquitatem (the argument to antiquity or tradition). This is the familiar argument that some policy, behavior, or practice is right or acceptable because "it's always been done that way." This is an extremely popular fallacy in debate rounds; for example, "Every great civilization in history has provided state subsidies for art and culture!" But that fact does not justify continuing the policy.

Because an argumentum ad antiquitatem is easily refuted by simply pointing it out, in general it should be avoided. But if you must make such an argument -- perhaps because you can't come up with anything better -- you can at least make it marginally more acceptable by providing some reason why tradition should usually be respected. For instance, you might make an evolutionary argument to the effect that the prevalence of a particular practice in existing societies is evidence that societies that failed to adopt it were weeded out by natural selection. This argument is weak, but better than the fallacy alone

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: FreshFish

Originally posted by: SampSon
Smoking has turned into the scapegoat of american society. Along with guns, alcohol, racism and fat people. Smoking is an age old pasttime that won't disappear because the medical world has figured out scientifically that it's bad for you.

Logical fallacy: Argumentum ad antiquitatem (the argument to antiquity or tradition). This is the familiar argument that some policy, behavior, or practice is right or acceptable because "it's always been done that way." This is an extremely popular fallacy in debate rounds; for example, "Every great civilization in history has provided state subsidies for art and culture!" But that fact does not justify continuing the policy.

Because an argumentum ad antiquitatem is easily refuted by simply pointing it out, in general it should be avoided. But if you must make such an argument -- perhaps because you can't come up with anything better -- you can at least make it marginally more acceptable by providing some reason why tradition should usually be respected. For instance, you might make an evolutionary argument to the effect that the prevalence of a particular practice in existing societies is evidence that societies that failed to adopt it were weeded out by natural selection. This argument is weak, but better than the fallacy alone

I like your style


Ausm

 

[daveshel]

Good luck.

 

Originally posted by: FreshFish

Originally posted by: SampSon
Smoking has turned into the scapegoat of american society. Along with guns, alcohol, racism and fat people. Smoking is an age old pasttime that won't disappear because the medical world has figured out scientifically that it's bad for you.

Logical fallacy: Argumentum ad antiquitatem (the argument to antiquity or tradition). This is the familiar argument that some policy, behavior, or practice is right or acceptable because "it's always been done that way." This is an extremely popular fallacy in debate rounds; for example, "Every great civilization in history has provided state subsidies for art and culture!" But that fact does not justify continuing the policy.

Because an argumentum ad antiquitatem is easily refuted by simply pointing it out, in general it should be avoided. But if you must make such an argument -- perhaps because you can't come up with anything better -- you can at least make it marginally more acceptable by providing some reason why tradition should usually be respected. For instance, you might make an evolutionary argument to the effect that the prevalence of a particular practice in existing societies is evidence that societies that failed to adopt it were weeded out by natural selection. This argument is weak, but better than the fallacy alone

Oh boy you can look up logical fallicies on a website, good for you. A better choice of fallicies would be "Appeal to common practice" in this situation.

If you remove my last line from that statement and actually address the issue I am touching upon, I might be more inclined to take you seriously. Though you take one single line out of context, and try to disband my entire "argument" based upon the usage of one "fallacy". Realistically I was not trying to qualify smoking as correct as better because it is a tradition. If you reread all my posts you will see that I have no stance on smoking and it's morality.

I was simply pointing out that saying "smoking is stupid, period" is silly when you take into account all the other "bad" things people do on a daily basis. Things such as smoking, drinking, and guns are the scapegoats of a politically-correct society bent on eliminating things it deems as "bad" or "unhealthy".

Now, if you go back and actually read the thread before you decide to pick one specific line and start tearing it apart like it's the crux of my "argument". Since I wasn't trying to prove anything logically I'm not even sure why you decided to point that out.

The assertion made by ausm was that smoking is bad for your health, therefore you should not do it.
Well if you follow all your golden rules of logic, then there are many many things that should not be done because they are bad for your health. That was the point of my retort. I brought up the historical usage of tobacco to show that even though it's bad for you, people still do it and will continue to do it because they LIKE it. Logic is nothing to do with what people LIKE.

Read the "what logic isnt" section.

 

[FreshFish]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: FreshFish

Originally posted by: SampSon
Smoking has turned into the scapegoat of american society. Along with guns, alcohol, racism and fat people. Smoking is an age old pasttime that won't disappear because the medical world has figured out scientifically that it's bad for you.

Logical fallacy: Argumentum ad antiquitatem (the argument to antiquity or tradition). This is the familiar argument that some policy, behavior, or practice is right or acceptable because "it's always been done that way." This is an extremely popular fallacy in debate rounds; for example, "Every great civilization in history has provided state subsidies for art and culture!" But that fact does not justify continuing the policy.

Because an argumentum ad antiquitatem is easily refuted by simply pointing it out, in general it should be avoided. But if you must make such an argument -- perhaps because you can't come up with anything better -- you can at least make it marginally more acceptable by providing some reason why tradition should usually be respected. For instance, you might make an evolutionary argument to the effect that the prevalence of a particular practice in existing societies is evidence that societies that failed to adopt it were weeded out by natural selection. This argument is weak, but better than the fallacy alone

Oh boy you can look up logical fallicies on a website, good for you. A better choice of fallicies would be "Appeal to common practice" in this situation.

If you remove my last line from that statement and actually address the issue I am touching upon, I might be more inclined to take you seriously. Though you take one single line out of context, and try to disband my entire "argument" based upon the usage of one "fallacy". Realistically I was not trying to qualify smoking as correct as better because it is a tradition. If you reread all my posts you will see that I have no stance on smoking and it's morality.

I was simply pointing out that saying "smoking is stupid, period" is silly when you take into account all the other "bad" things people do on a daily basis. Things such as smoking, drinking, and guns are the scapegoats of a politically-correct society bent on eliminating things it deems as "bad" or "unhealthy".

Now, if you go back and actually read the thread before you decide to pick one specific line and start tearing it apart like it's the crux of my "argument". Since I wasn't trying to prove anything logically I'm not even sure why you decided to point that out.

The assertion made by ausm was that smoking is bad for your health, therefore you should not do it.
Well if you follow all your golden rules of logic, then there are many many things that should not be done because they are bad for your health. That was the point of my retort. I brought up the historical usage of tobacco to show that even though it's bad for you, people still do it and will continue to do it because they LIKE it. Logic is nothing to do with what people LIKE.

Read the "what logic isnt" section.

Lol, you are so petty that it's funny

 

Lol, you are so petty that it's funny

Ad hominem.

 

[forumJunkie]

Good luck and have something ready to chew on. Never smoked but heard it works~
e.g. - gum, candy, pen

 

[Gurck]

Good luck, for a while try not to do things you associate with smoking. For me this was drinking coffee and alcohol. I'd also recommend nicotine replacement patch/gum/etc. It won't quit for you, but it will at least help you deal with one aspect of the addiction at a time. I quit about two years back, bought & smoked a pack a year ago and was fine - it reinforced for me how bad they smell and how expensive a habit it is. Having one isn't the folly many think it is, but smoking one every now and then is a chance I wouldn't take.

 

[FreshFish]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Lol, you are so petty that it's funny

Ad hominem.

Now you're even more petty, bordering on pathetic

Edit: and to the OP, I think it's great that you've decided to stop smoking. I, as a non-smoker, thank you for saving my lungs as well as your own! Keep it up!

 

Originally posted by: FreshFish

Originally posted by: SampSon

Lol, you are so petty that it's funny

Ad hominem.

Now you're even more petty, bordering on pathetic

Edit: and to the OP, I think it's great that you've decided to stop smoking. I, as a non-smoker, thank you for saving my lungs as well as your own! Keep it up!

You're the one who picked one line out of all my posts in order to point out a logical fallacy in a thread based on opinions and human desire.
Then you ignore everything else in my posts and use a fallacy yourself. Then you touch on name calling.

If I'm petty, than you're a hypocritical moron with a penchant for trying to be intellectually elite.
A round of applause for you.