Today Britain votes on remaining part of the EU

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justoh

justoh

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How many of those posting negatively about the exit understand how the EU functions? None? Thought as much...
 
zinfamous

zinfamous

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spacejamz said:
many of these boomers know that you don't judge the performance of your retirement account on one day's activities....not sure what the long term effect of this will be, either positive or negative, but that is another matter entirely....
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What about those retired boomers living in Gibralter (100% voting to stay), that now see Spain ramping-up (almost certainly within the next day) talks to annex their territory? And there goes their healthcare as well as all other EU benefits that they depended on as a British colony/protectorate within Europe.

whoops.
 
Phynaz

Phynaz

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AtenRa said:
Im not talking about the rights EU members have between them, certainly if UK chose to leave the EU they will not have the same privileges EU members have.
But I dont want and EU shouldn't make UK a paradigm for the others by make them feel the pain and such things. I dont want EU operate as an hegemony and punish whoever doesnt want to oblige with its rules and guidelines.
UK is a European Country, EU can negotiate with an old friend on a friendly manner new Trade and Boarder agreements. No need to punish UK because they wanted out, that is what im saying.

And I sure hope EU members will start to discuss WHY UK left the EU, so we can learn a few things from it that will benefit EU in the near future of becoming a better place for its Members.
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This is a very resonable response. Hopefully the involved governments act as you hope.
 
Jaskalas

Jaskalas

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Imagine all these haughty posters upset over the costs of the American Revolution. How dare they interrupt tea time?!

Before you slander the UK people take a good long look at your wanton desire for people to remain chained and to whom you seek their continued servitude. Are you upset that they may be biting the same hand that feeds you? Perhaps you should show some respect to the grievances of the people, upset over Brussels bureaucracy and not flagrantly disdain them for self determination.

One might wonder if you grew up to respect Democracy, or to lick the boots of your masters.
 
NAC4EV

NAC4EV

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Maybe they did this


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mikeymikec

mikeymikec

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zinfamous said:
Would be a little strange for Cameron to up and quit if he thought they could just ignore this vote, right?

I also understood this to be non-binding, but Cameron resigning was very shocking.
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I would have called for his resignation regardless of the way the vote went. There was no need for him to call for it originally (except for his own little bullshit power plays within his own party), and his strategy for backing the remain campaign was farcical to the point that a paranoid person might ask if he purposefully did his best to de-rail the remain campaign. This referendum risked gambling a reasonably healthy economy for a big fat unknown; a reasonable person might wonder who on earth would go for that, but apparently there are a lot of fucking gullible people out there and enough bullshit to go around.

A successful remain vote would have achieved nothing useful (unless it picked up say 80% of the votes: that would have told the euro sceptics to STFU and stop stirring shit up) aside from maintaining the status quo, and a successful brexit vote means all three main UK parties have either imploded or are about to. The only party with a significant number of seats will be the SNP, which will soon call for a second Scottish referendum, so they'll be pretty irrelevant as far as UK politics go.

I also predict that the next election will involve a coalition with UKIP (a far right party that dresses themselves up a little smarter than most, whose leader once basically advocated letting immigrants who have HIV to die in the street), who will pick up a fair number of seats in the next election because the closet racists will be emboldened by the outcome of this referendum.
 
Fanatical Meat

Fanatical Meat

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I find it strange there are suddenly so many Americans who are experts at European trade and obviously know better than the people living there.

Funny how they all hang out on AT Forums.
 
norseamd

norseamd

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zinfamous said:
Would be a little strange for Cameron to up and quit if he thought they could just ignore this vote, right?

I also understood this to be non-binding, but Cameron resigning was very shocking.
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Technically non-binding.

Effectively ........ A very complicated subject.
 
norseamd

norseamd

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zinfamous said:
What about those retired boomers living in Gibralter (100% voting to stay), that now see Spain ramping-up (almost certainly within the next day) talks to annex their territory? And there goes their healthcare as well as all other EU benefits that they depended on as a British colony/protectorate within Europe.

whoops.
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Britain might do well to make Gibraltar an independent, sovereign country, whose independence is guaranteed by the British.
 
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LegendKiller

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Fanatical Meat said:
I find it strange there are suddenly so many Americans who are experts at European trade and obviously know better than the people living there.

Funny how they all hang out on AT Forums.
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A lot of the potential (and actual) effects are clouded by doomsday predictions prior to the vote from those who wanted to remain and sour grapes after. Whether they come to fruition is dependent upon negotiation, business decisions, and offsets.

It is *way* too early to tell.
 
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rumpleforeskin

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It may take many years to tell if this is a good or bad move for the UK, but one thing is immediately clear and this is that today is definitely a bad day for the European Union.

I think after today's result the EU needs some deep introspection followed up with some corrective changes. The remaining EU members need to really feel that the project delivers a better future for for those invested in it.

The EU certainly has had little interest in reforming its policies before anyone left the club and its a real shame that the UK was the first to go. I feel that if someone else had made the first move the EU may have been more considerate to some of the wishes of its members and given how close the Brexit vote was it may have been enough to keep the UK in.

Given the disparity of wealth across the EU they may only be losing 1/28th of the member states but they are losing a significantly bigger contributor of finance, the UK contributes the same as the bottom 20 country's combined and is the largest provider of military spending.

The only saving grace about the UK being the one to leave is that its strong history of democracy and liberalism make it immune to falling under the cultural sway of Russia, something that may not hold true for many of the eastern European countrys.
 
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mxnerd

mxnerd

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Scotland & North Ireland might follow suit and vote their own independence.
 
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