Today Britain votes on remaining part of the EU

[LegendKiller]

This is getting weird. Scanning headlines and I see some wanting London to leave the UK and join the EU....

lol - hilarious. Gotta love cunty 1%'ers.

Wonder what happens to them when they have to go to war, since they usually rely on, what did Blackjack call them, ohh yeah, the mouthbreathers, to do it.

 

[flexy]

Scotland & North Ireland might follow suit and vote their own independence.

Yes, why should they be forced to leave if they don't want.

I am just laughing seeing those idiots voting for something where likely only very few had an idea WHAT they were actually voting for.

"Being independent", "free" etc. are nothing but emotions, things that are indeed not tangible and "real". (Aside the fact that the UK never was "not free" as a result of their membership in the EU).

However, a breakup of the UK and possibly the entire EU are VERY real.

Even simply things now like that it will become more difficult for Brits to travel, do business with EU (or vice versa)..LIKE I DO...did they consider this? Right now for example we have Brits coming and living here in Spain. You can travel all across EU freely. You don't need visas etc. You can just come here, buy a house and retire. Or work from here etc.

For them, this will change when they exit the EU. Small, trivial things but they affect real people.

The UK might literally break apart, they will face enormous economical problems...and all this because STUPID PEOPLE had been listening to "populists", like now in the US, and choose something simply "BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM FEEL BETTER" over common sense and actual, real things.

Nationalism = one of those things that are not "real", merely happen in "the average, decent folks'" minds. Nationalism doesn't create jobs, or prosperity, not these days. Only a "nice feeling" for "the average person" whose life is dominated by fear.

This will possibly repeat in November in the US. If Hitler were alive, he'd love this.

 

[LegendKiller]

Yes, why should they be forced to leave if they don't want.

I am just laughing seeing those idiots voting for something where likely only very few had an idea WHAT they were actually voting for.

"Being independent", "free" etc. are nothing but emotions, things that are indeed not tangible and "real". (Aside the fact that the UK never was "not free" as a result of their membership in the EU).

However, a breakup of the UK and possibly the entire EU are VERY real.

Even simply things now like that it will become more difficult for Brits to travel, do business with EU (or vice versa)..LIKE I DO...did they consider this? Right now for example we have Brits coming and living here in Spain. You can travel all across EU freely. You don't need visas etc. You can just come here, buy a house and retire. Or work from here etc.

For them, this will change when they exit the EU. Small, trivial things but they affect real people.

The UK might literally break apart, they will face enormous economical problems...and all this because STUPID PEOPLE had been listening to "populists", like now in the US, and choose something simply "BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM FEEL BETTER" over common sense and actual, real things.

Nationalism = one of those things that are not "real", merely happen in "the average, decent folks'" minds. Nationalism doesn't create jobs, or prosperity, not these days. Only a "nice feeling" for "the average person" whose life is dominated by fear.

This will possibly repeat in November in the US. If Hitler were alive, he'd love this.

Way to pretty much ignore every single problem with the EU. A non-representative government that ignores the will of the people, ALL people, and a monetary union that sucks wealth from the periphery into Germany without any corrective mechanism.

The EU and Euro was destined to fail from the ignorance of the ruling class. Period.

The statements that come out of the Germans is shocking, from Schauble's "european inbreeding" to the ECB being hamstrung and them liquidating Greece.

You deride "nationalism" but this isn't Star Trek. This is reality. The EU wasn't some shangri-la of egalitarian humanity and blaming it solely on the UK is stupidity.

 

[K1052]

And this is why there is a Brexit. You simply cannot dismiss people out of hand and expect them to respect you regardless.

Well that's kind of the foundation of representative democracy practiced by our republic. The people are fickle, reactionary, and (more often than not) ill informed/poorly educated. None of this escaped the founders when they went about writing the constitution. Fear of chaos from direct democracy, which is arguably what he UK just effectively practiced, was a recurring theme. I would consider them vindicated in that.

 

[LegendKiller]

Well that's kind of the foundation of representative democracy practiced by our republic. The people are fickle, reactionary, and (more often than not) ill informed/poorly educated. None of this escaped the founders when they went about writing the constitution. Fear of chaos from direct democracy, which is arguably what he UK just effectively practiced, was a recurring theme. I would consider them vindicated in that.

The problem there is that they also envisioned that the representative republic would have representative that have the same high-minded ideals of considering the constituents that they did. Our political leaders have failed to live up to that standard. Mainly for money.

The EU isn't even a democracy. It's a joke of a system intended to tame humanity, not for the benefit of humanity, but for the benefit of the few.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yes, why should they be forced to leave if they don't want.

I am just laughing seeing those idiots voting for something where likely only very few had an idea WHAT they were actually voting for.

"Being independent", "free" etc. are nothing but emotions, things that are indeed not tangible and "real". (Aside the fact that the UK never was "not free" as a result of their membership in the EU).

However, a breakup of the UK and possibly the entire EU are VERY real.

Even simply things now like that it will become more difficult for Brits to travel, do business with EU (or vice versa)..LIKE I DO...did they consider this? Right now for example we have Brits coming and living here in Spain. You can travel all across EU freely. You don't need visas etc. You can just come here, buy a house and retire. Or work from here etc.

For them, this will change when they exit the EU. Small, trivial things but they affect real people.

The UK might literally break apart, they will face enormous economical problems...and all this because STUPID PEOPLE had been listening to "populists", like now in the US, and choose something simply "BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM FEEL BETTER" over common sense and actual, real things.

Nationalism = one of those things that are not "real", merely happen in "the average, decent folks'" minds. Nationalism doesn't create jobs, or prosperity, not these days. Only a "nice feeling" for "the average person" whose life is dominated by fear.

This will possibly repeat in November in the US. If Hitler were alive, he'd love this.

Relax its not your country, everything will work out one way or another.

 

[mikeymikec]

lol - hilarious. Gotta love cunty 1%'ers.

Wonder what happens to them when they have to go to war, since they usually rely on, what did Blackjack call them, ohh yeah, the mouthbreathers, to do it.

You might want to check the voting stats for London on this referendum before talking out of your ass.

 

[Blackjack200]

Yeah, because when 52% of the voting population of a major country decide to leave the union in the face of potentially steep economic consequences, one should always just shrug it off by calling them "mouth breathers" and continue doing the same things that led to their exit. Surely that won't cause other countries to go the same route.

Are you just naturally this dumb or is it the result of years of practice?

And this is why there is a Brexit. You simply cannot dismiss people out of hand and expect them to respect you regardless.

Lol, do you flakes need a safe space? There's nothing particularly unusual about 52% of a population being stupid or angry. That's why you don't leave it up to a simple majority. If American States could vote on independence and achieve it with a simple majority, how many states would be left? Not many!

This. The utter disdain and contempt the ruling class has for "commoners" is going to lead to their downfall.

I have said, all along, that the endgame of wealth aggregation and oligarchy is...what? You cannot blithely ignore the plebes forever before they say "fuck you".

Blackjack isn't better than them. He puts his pants on the same way. He exists on the same tiny rock spinning in space. You can either understand their perspective and try to meet them half way, or you can dismiss them and, since they vastly outnumber you, eventually they will run you under.

I'm the "ruling class"

I may put my pants on the same way, but my ability to not shoot myself in the dick seems to vastly exceed about 52% of the population over there.

 

[Victorian Gray]

What did I just vote for?

"The whole world is reeling after a milestone referendum in Britain to leave the European Union. And although leaders of the campaign to exit Europe are crowing over their victory, it seems many Britons may not even know what they had actually voted for.

Awakening to a stock market plunge and a precipitous decline in the value of the pound that Britain hasn’t seen in more than 30 years, voters now face a series of economic shocks that analysts say will only worsen before they improve. The consequences of the leave vote will be felt worldwide, even in the United States, and some British voters say they now regret casting a ballot in favor of Brexit.

“Even though I voted to leave, this morning I woke up and I just – the reality did actually hit me,” one woman told the news channel ITV News. “If I’d had the opportunity to vote again, it would be to stay.”


http://www.theprovince.com/news/wha...tish+frantically+googling/12010237/story.html

 

[hal2kilo]

You might want to check the voting stats for London on this referendum before talking out of your ass.

Apparently, never been to east Westminster.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

Lol, do you flakes need a safe space? There's nothing particularly unusual about 52% of a population being stupid or angry. That's why you don't leave it up to a simple majority. If American States could vote on independence and achieve it with a simple majority, how many states would be left? Not many!



I'm the "ruling class"

I may put my pants on the same way, but my ability to not shoot myself in the dick seems to vastly exceed about 52% of the population over there.

So what you would do to address the concerns of the 52%?

 

[K1052]

The problem there is that they also envisioned that the representative republic would have representative that have the same high-minded ideals of considering the constituents that they did. Our political leaders have failed to live up to that standard. Mainly for money.

The EU isn't even a democracy. It's a joke of a system intended to tame humanity, not for the benefit of humanity, but for the benefit of the few.

Self interest in politicians wasn't a new concept even then. Even when failing it's arguable that the system is highly preferable the the alternatives. Direct democracy is already practiced to a limited extent in CA via ballot initiatives on the state and local level. It is resultantly an unmitigated shitshow and one that should not be exported to the country at large. Mob rule was not the intent of the founders.

The U.K. Has just stepped off a cliff into the unknown. The bottom night be a foot from the edge or a mile. To run such a risk for nativist sentiment is hugely irresponsible and shortsighted.

 

[Jaskalas]

To run such a risk for nativist sentiment is hugely irresponsible and shortsighted.

To quote one comment: How about "No one wants to be enslaved by unelected bankers anymore"?

 

[K1052]

To quote one comment: How about "No one wants to be enslaved by unelected bankers anymore"?

Which means what policywise exactly? Sound bites like that sound great but unless you can articulate an alternative to the current financial system rather than just anger at it (deserved or not) it's meaningless.

 

[justoh]

Vote for independence = achieved. No uncertainty about that. The economy is peripheral.

CH seems to be doing just fine with its direct democracy and non EU membership.

 

[K1052]

Vote for independence = achieved. No uncertainty about that. The economy is peripheral.

CH seems to be doing just fine with its direct democracy and non EU membership.

Lol

 

[Svnla]

100K signed up for a do-over - https://www.rt.com/uk/348228-petition-parliament-uk-brexit/

Round 2.

Fight.

 

[hal2kilo]

Leave it to Faux News once again to get some minor detail wrong in their reporting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fox-news-eu-referendum_uk_576cea04e4b08d2c5638e59b?section=

 

[Blue_Max]

100K signed up for a do-over - https://www.rt.com/uk/348228-petition-parliament-uk-brexit/

Round 2.

Fight.

Perhaps... but didn't they vote down Brexit with over a million? Would that mean at least as many petition for a revote?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

100K signed up for a do-over - https://www.rt.com/uk/348228-petition-parliament-uk-brexit/

Round 2.

Fight.

#regrexit is a thing now.

 

[GaiaHunter]

To quote one comment: How about "No one wants to be enslaved by unelected bankers anymore"?

While I see nothing wrong with the national pride, the bankers always win.
They already have promises of "whatever is necessary".

The fact that UK can leave shows that the UK already was a free state.

Then of course it is fun that with all this talk of EU lack of democratic mandate (even though that the bulk of really important decisions is made by the elected government leaders of each country and bureaucrats have no nationality), the UK will have a government with a leader/program that no one elected and the vote on the Conservatives (and Labour) is dwarfed by the votes on either Remain or Leave.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Wow 52% of people in the UK are nazi xenophobes. This according to what the 48% claim the other side represent.


I wonder of the whole Nazi meme and throwing out accusations of racism did not exactly help sell the remain in the EU program.

You dont close a sale if you insult your customer.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Wow 52% of people in the UK are nazi xenophobes. This according to what the 48% claim the other side represent.


I wonder of the whole Nazi meme and throwing out accusations of racism did not exactly help sell the remain in the EU program.

You dont close a sale if you insult your customer.

Demagogy aside, a problem is that (most likely) the majority of the people in the UK were for remaining in the EU.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Wow 52% of people in the UK are nazi xenophobes. This according to what the 48% claim the other side represent.


I wonder of the whole Nazi meme and throwing out accusations of racism did not exactly help sell the remain in the EU program.

You dont close a sale if you insult your customer.

Actually people were alleging racism because of how many UKIP candidates/members were saying bluntly racist things. A number of their candidates were dumped for their overt racism.

 

[flexy]

it seems many Britons may not even know what they had actually voted for.

YEAH WHAT A FUCKING SURPRISE....

Give it some time, and immigrants will be the UK's smallest problem. It is almost hideous.