To Whom Is George Zimmerman a Hero? And Why?

[schneiderguy]

Zimmerman is a hero because he killed a thug and won a glorious battle against the Libruls.

Christopher Dorner is more of a hero to people than Zimmerman is.

RIP in peace Chocolate Rambo.

 

[emperus]

The majority of the evidence/witness statements supported his claim of self defense. The prosecution violated the law when they arrested and charged him as they had no evidence to support such. Many people who opposed the arrest and prosecution didn't do so because they saw Zimmerman as a hero but a person who was wrongly prosecuted. These same people were happy when the system worked and the jury found him not guilty of the charges against him.

Evidence in so far as that he was the only one alive? If TM had somehow killed him, all the evidence would point to it being self defense on his part, especially since he was about 100 meters from his front door.

Anyhow, that is what I think the author is trying to figure out Given the type of case it was, what made so many people determined that Zimmerman was innocent, so much so that they were praying for him and donating vast amounts of money to him?

It wasn't a search for the truth as if that was the case someone would have found out that GZ's wife left him a couple of days before the shooting (and the whole happy couple thing was a charade), just as much as those same people tried to dig up every ioata of dirt in both TM's life and his parent's life.

 

[TerryMathews]

Evidence in so far as that he was the only one alive? If TM had somehow killed him, all the evidence would point to it being self defense on his part,

What physical wound did TM have? When did GZ break his nose?

 

[Ns1]

Evidence in so far as that he was the only one alive? If TM had somehow killed him, all the evidence would point to it being self defense on his part, especially since he was about 100 meters from his front door.

lol





well, this thread is turning out just like the other thread.

 

[JManInPhoenix]

Zimmerman is a hero because he killed a thug and won a glorious battle against the Libruls.

RIP in peace Chocolate Rambo.

Looks like LL Cool J in the clouds...

 

[cubby1223]

Evidence in so far as that he was the only one alive? If TM had somehow killed him, all the evidence would point to it being self defense on his part, especially since he was about 100 meters from his front door.

We're not here on this forum to comfort you in your delusions. For the sake of all things right in this world, take them elsewhere.

If you want to discuss reality, we all are more than welcome to have discussions.

If all you want to do is live in your own little fantasy world, go right ahead and do so, but please be respectful of others when we refuse to indulge in your fantasies.

 

[emperus]

What physical wound did TM have? When did GZ break his nose?

I'm not going to go back and forth over the evidence. The question is why do people treat him as a hero? Why are people lining up to pay for his autograph? Why did his painting sell for 100,000? What has he accomplished in his life besides killing an unarmed kid? From everything we know he was a POS before the event and is POS after the event. Why the celebrity amongst some?

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'm not going to go back and forth over the evidence. The question is why do people treat him as a hero? Why are people lining up to pay for his autograph? Why did his painting sell for 100,000? What has he accomplished in his life besides killing an unarmed kid? From everything we know he was a POS before the event and is POS after the event. Why the celebrity amongst some?

I suspect that at least some of the folks who pumped him up are actually envious and wish they had a chance to the same thing. Several of them may even post in this forum....

 

[chucky2]

He accomplished not getting his brains bashed in by a racist criminal, not getting @ssfucked by the system, and gave a big middle finger to all the race baiters trying to get the system to F him because he looked white. Z may have other faults, but for all that, he gets :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I suspect the people getting autographs are happy about at least one of those three things, if not all three.

 

[cubby1223]

I'm not going to go back and forth over the evidence. The question is why do people treat him as a hero? Why are people lining up to pay for his autograph? Why did his painting sell for 100,000? What has he accomplished in his life besides killing an unarmed kid? From everything we know he was a POS before the event and is POS after the event. Why the celebrity amongst some?

If people like you didn't start up your own fantasy world, and want to re-fight the civil liberties war, Zimmerman would be a nobody to everyone.

You know exactly the answer to why Zimmerman was asked to that show. Why a painting of his sold.

You just cannot muster up the guts to admit that the answer is staring right back at you in the mirror.

You are the reason why. You have a problem with your ego, your pride, I don't know exactly what, I'm not a psychologist. Stand up and suffer through the truth now, it will be more beneficial to you in the long run.

I'm not interested in sugar-coating anything for you. If you continue to choose to listen only to those who tell you what you want to hear, I cannot stop you, only you can.

Have fun with your life

 

[emperus]

If people like you didn't start up your own fantasy world, and want to re-fight the civil liberties war, Zimmerman would be a nobody to everyone.

You know exactly the answer to why Zimmerman was asked to that show. Why a painting of his sold.

You just cannot muster up the guts to admit that the answer is staring right back at you in the mirror.

You are the reason why. You have a problem with your ego, your pride, I don't know exactly what, I'm not a psychologist. Stand up and suffer through the truth now, it will be more beneficial to you in the long run.

I'm not interested in sugar-coating anything for you. If you continue to choose to listen only to those who tell you what you want to hear, I cannot stop you, only you can.

Have fun with your life

What are you rambling about? .

Btw, I'm clearly trying to ignore you without putting you on ignore. I'm not sure why you even direct posts at me seeing that I'm the same guy who supposedly hacked your facebook or you email or you phone and sent all your whatever to whomever. I'm not even sure what your old claim was or you new claim is.

Anyhow, I don't like immaturity (i.e people prone to making up crazy shit) so please stop following me around. Thanks.

 

[Oldgamer]

I've always wondered the same esp. regarding a lot of people on this... What makes people lionize Zimmerman. What ideal does he represent? This writer puts some thought behind it.



http://www.psmag.com/navigation/politics-and-law/george-zimmerman-hero-77272/

That is a good article, and yes racism runs deep with those who support Zimmerman and think he is some kind of hero. These people are racist to the core, and if the roles were reversed and he was a black man shooting a white kid the outcome would have been different. People would be up in arms if a bunch of black people across the US were running around asking for his autograph if he was black.

Zimmerman got lucky because the jury didn't understand the instructions and there was a great deal of confusion on the stand your ground rules. Not too mention one juror in particular did a very good job convincing the other jurors she knew the law because her husband was one of the prosecuting attorneys involved on the case. So she had a strong influence on the other jurors, and it wouldn't surprise me if she did this on purpose to confuse the other jurors. She was one of those who lionized Zimmerman. So Zimmerman got off scott free for murdering some poor innocent kid.

It is very much an "Us vs Them" mentality in this country.

Wasn't Zimmerman recently whimpering about being destitute and needing money and "poor woe is me" crap not too long ago.

Personally I think he will eventually get what is coming to him. In the end they always do.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Looks like LL Cool J in the clouds...

Like an LL Cool J if he let himself go a bit.

 

[Ns1]

^^

Wow when you put those 2 pics next to each other...

 

[cubby1223]

So Zimmerman got off scott free for murdering some poor innocent kid.

It is very much an "Us vs Them" mentality in this country.

You're correct there is an "Us vs. Them" mentality. But we have to agree to disagree on who most holds than mentality.

The problem is and always has been, those who side with Trayvon, always have as a part of their argument the omission that Trayvon was beating the shit out of Zimmerman.

You can use any other pieces of evidence there is, make whatever reasoned arguments you want, but when you continually omit that one bit of information, you forfeit the right to claim you are making a reasoned argument.

Emperus made the statement above too that Trayvon was unarmed. Trayvon had two arms that day and he was well trained in how to use his arms to inflict great harm on others and create life-threatening situations.

You may include anything in addition to support your position, but when you omit that, you are not just disrespecting the people you are talking to, you are lying to yourself.

One of the most defining characteristics of "Us vs Them" situations is at least one side is fueled by false perceptions.

 

[Oldgamer]

You're correct there is an "Us vs. Them" mentality. But we have to agree to disagree on who most holds than mentality.

The problem is and always has been, those who side with Trayvon, always have as a part of their argument the omission that Trayvon was beating the shit out of Zimmerman.

You can use any other pieces of evidence there is, make whatever reasoned arguments you want, but when you continually omit that one bit of information, you forfeit the right to claim you are making a reasoned argument.

Emperus made the statement above too that Trayvon was unarmed. Trayvon had two arms that day and he was well trained in how to use his arms to inflict great harm on others and create life-threatening situations.

You may include anything in addition to support your position, but when you omit that, you are not just disrespecting the people you are talking to, you are lying to yourself.

One of the most defining characteristics of "Us vs Them" situations is at least one side is fueled by false perceptions.

For all we know Trayvon was defending himself, and let us not forget that he can't give his account of what actually happened because he is dead. For all we know Zimmerman was the aggressor and that is highly more likely given events after his trial was over. Yes, you and I will not agree on this. In my view, Zimmerman is a murderer, and dangerous to the community at large. He got off scott free due to jurors who were not properly instructed and who were confused about the whole stand your ground rules. The interviews from the jurors all said with the exception of the one white lady who was the wife of one of the attorneys, they all wanted to convict him of murder but felt they couldn't due to their confusion.

 

[corwin]

For all we know Trayvon was defending himself, and let us not forget that he can't give his account of what actually happened because he is dead. For all we know Zimmerman was the aggressor and that is highly more likely given events after his trial was over. Yes, you and I will not agree on this. In my view, Zimmerman is a murderer, and dangerous to the community at large. He got off scott free due to jurors who were not properly instructed and who were confused about the whole stand your ground rules. The interviews from the jurors all said with the exception of the one white lady who was the wife of one of the attorneys, they all wanted to convict him of murder but felt they couldn't due to their confusion.

First of all SYG was never presented at the trial, it was not a part of the defense...the jurors were instructed properly and they came to the only verdict that the evidence supported, emotional bullshit and racism be damned. They were persuaded by the bullshit narrative the media put out of a little innocent angel, but none of the evidence then or since has shown that TM was an innocent little angel, in fact quite to the contrary especially considering things we know about him that they couldn't bring up at trial...so go be butthurt somewhere else and let this die so we can stop hearing about that dumb ass...and I'm referring to GZ right there

 

[highland145]

First of all SYG was never presented at the trial, it was not a part of the defense...the jurors were instructed properly and they came to the only verdict that the evidence supported, emotional bullshit and racism be damned. They were persuaded by the bullshit narrative the media put out of a little innocent angel, but none of the evidence then or since has shown that TM was an innocent little angel, in fact quite to the contrary especially considering things we know about him that they couldn't bring up at trial...so go be butthurt somewhere else and let this die so we can stop hearing about that dumb ass...and I'm referring to GZ right there

Wasting your time.

 

[Matt1970]

Hero? Only to idiots...

Poster boy for being falsely accused and prosecuted for what was pretty clearly justified self defense and demonized by the media, yes...hero no.

I see Zimmerman as a fucking loser- self appointed neighborhood watch idiot who picked the very fight that he supposedly needed to kill someone one in order to defend himself from. That's the chickenshit version of self-defense in my book.

Had he been minding his own business, and randomly attacked out of the blue, attacked by someone that had it out for him, or attacked on his own property by some aggressive intruder, then I'd be the first to say it was legit. But following people around, picking a fight you can't finish and then using deadly force to get yourself out of the shit you started yourself is pussy chickenshit. But then, I guess that's what a lot of our society is becoming. A bunch of fucking pussies who celebrate one of their own.

I am somewhere between these two. Yes it was justified self defense but it was a situation he created. He shouldn't have walked away a free man.

 

[soulcougher73]

Who cares. Its a insignifant event in human history. Stop talking about it and it will eventually go away.

 

[Atreus21]

I've always wondered the same esp. regarding a lot of people on this... What makes people lionize Zimmerman. What ideal does he represent? This writer puts some thought behind it.



http://www.psmag.com/navigation/politics-and-law/george-zimmerman-hero-77272/

He's not a hero to me, but this is why I have some regard for him.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...bout_trayvon_martin_and_george_zimmerman.html

 

[corwin]

I am somewhere between these two. Yes it was justified self defense but it was a situation he created. He shouldn't have walked away a free man.

Being overzealous and hyper-alert don't really count as "creating the situation" in my mind, but I'll give you that best practice would have kept him from getting out of his car. That said if it was self defense then that's pretty much it, there's no law against questionably bad judgement. On the other hand he is by no means "free" since that night, and likely will never be again.

 

[Oldgamer]

First of all SYG was never presented at the trial, it was not a part of the defense...the jurors were instructed properly and they came to the only verdict that the evidence supported, emotional bullshit and racism be damned. They were persuaded by the bullshit narrative the media put out of a little innocent angel, but none of the evidence then or since has shown that TM was an innocent little angel, in fact quite to the contrary especially considering things we know about him that they couldn't bring up at trial...so go be butthurt somewhere else and let this die so we can stop hearing about that dumb ass...and I'm referring to GZ right there

That is exactly right on part of your first sentence. And the instructions had the jurors confused on stand your ground law/rules and the manslaughter charges and they asked for clarification which they never received. In addition the one juror who was married to that attorney who was associated with the case was carrying on about the stand your ground law further confusing the jurors. The way some of the interviews went with some of the jurors showed that she was key in persuading and confusing the other jurors.

Quote: "Zimmerman Juror: Stand Your Ground A Reason Why Neither Second Degree Murder Nor Manslaughter Applied. An anonymous member of the jury appeared on Anderson Cooper 360 on July 15 to discuss how Florida's Stand Your Ground law provided a legal justification for Zimmerman's actions. According to the juror, neither charge against Zimmerman applied "because of the heat of the moment and the Stand Your Ground" Link Here http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/07/16/media-neglect-that-stand-your-ground-is-centerp/194916

Quote from juror interview: JUROR: We just starting looking at the law, what exactly we could find and how we should vote for this case. And the law became very confusing.

ANDERSON COOPER: Yeah, tell me about that.

JUROR: It became very confusing. We had stuff thrown at us. We had the second-degree murder charge, the manslaughter charge, then we had self-defense, Stand Your Ground, and I think there was one other one.

[...]

COOPER: Did you feel like you understood the instructions from the judge, because they were very complex. I mean reading them, they were tough to follow.

JUROR: Right. And that was our problem. It was just so confusing what went with what and what we could apply to what. Because there was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something. And after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there is just no way -- other place to go.

COOPER: Because of the two options you had, second-degree murder or manslaughter, you felt neither applied.

JUROR: Right. Well because of the heat of the moment and the Stand Your Ground. He had a right to defend himself. If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him or that he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right. [CNN, Anderson Cooper 360, 7/15/13]

 

[Knowing]

These people are racist to the core, and if the roles were reversed and he was a black man shooting a white kid the outcome would have been different.

It wouldn't have made the national news cycle, thus no media circus, thus no amazing quantity of disinformation, thus no moral outrage when the trial doesn't go according to plan?

 

[emperus]

He's not a hero to me, but this is why I have some regard for him.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...bout_trayvon_martin_and_george_zimmerman.html

This is the point that I don't understand. People still went to great lengths to smear and dig into the life of TM, but people didn't do the same with GZ. Why was it when you heard the story before the trial, and before all the facts came out people fervently took the side of the guy chasing a kid with a gun, vs. the kid who was gunned down not too far from his house?

You can argue that the facts revealed that is was self defense. But before whatever those facts were people decided to already donate to his fund and people decided that he was already a hero. Why?

I keep repeating. The one thing that shocked me is that I found out Zimmerman's wife left him the night before the shooting. I didn't know that during the trial, yet knew TM, spit out carrots when he was 2 years old. People even here went into great lengths to make videos of and find out why TM was there, why his parents divorced, what he ate 2 years before the incident. Yet, none of you cared to even question Zimmerman's account of that night or what happened to get him there. You guys had already chosen to support Zimmerman, the question is why?