To those who are Catholic and think masturbation is wrong...

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: Ketteringo
It was something about the spilling of seed.

I don't really know, because I don't really care.

Genesis 38

Has nothing to do with masturbation.

You missed the point.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Only at anandtech will a discussion on masterbation grow to over 100 posts!

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Schmitty

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
meh. I screwed a Catholic Girl this AM before work and used a condom.

I think that was the most worthless post I have ever seen!

Whatever, n00b.

 

[xirtam]

Double.

 

[xirtam]

Originally posted by: xirtam
Wow! I woke up this morning to a whole bunch of fun!

Saying one way or interpretation is the right way is purely absurd and ARROGANT.

Is this statement purely absurd and ARROGANT? Is it right? Your argument defeats itself.

but the question of whether God exists is philosophical simply because there is NOT an absolute truth.

Is the fact that there is NOT an absolute truth an absolutely true statement? Your argument, once again, defeats itself.

HAHA! You really think that, eh? Your existence proves absolute truth? Please, mention that to any educated being at a major University, and see what they say. PROVE that absolute truth exists -- you cannot. It has everything to do with philosophy. The question of absolute truth is a philosophical one, therefore you cannot say for sure, whether it exists or not. You can give a compelling argument, but so far you haven't even done that. I'm waiting for something substantive.

Personal existence is a good philosophical starting point. Why? Because it's actually undeniable that I exist. If I try to deny it, I prove that I exist. Follow the Winnie the Pooh logic. "Somebody has to be there to say 'Nobody.'" As far as "the question of absolute truth is a philosophical one, therefore you cannot say for sure, whether it exists or not." You must assume more than you can know to make this claim. Because you are sure that you cannot be sure of the existence of absolute truth. How can you be sure?

You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of philosophy, absolute truth,and mutually exclusive things.

For the above reasons, I find this statement to be the most ironic out of the bunch.

Impossible to know whom is correct or to what degree they are correct.

You must assume that something is correct in order to believe that it is "impossible to know." Your argument commits suicide again.

Nothing is absolute, there is no truth. Prove otherwise...

Is that a true statement? (You just did.) Do you exist? If you say "no," you have proven that you do, in fact, exist, because you have, in act, denied your existence. Something must exist to deny its own existence.

However, the problem occurs when people start preaching that they have absolute truth, when there is a margin of error (when isn't there?)

So you could be wrong about there not being absolute truth? Really? I'm inclined to agree.

Wow, some people can be dense.

Concurred.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Mill
HAHAHA. Dude, look , once you get a basic understanding of philosophy or fallacies -- please give me a ring. Until then, I can deal without having to discuss religion with a child. It *is* subjective; everything is subjective. Nothing is absolute, there is no truth. Prove otherwise...

Are you really saying that everything is subjective, meaning there are only opinions not facts?

If it is ethical subjectivism you are talking about then you should make that distinction.

The second restriction is that no man will be permitted to have any sexual thoughts during the process. "The apostles told us repeatedly that Jesus forbids lust, since sex is for baby-making, not anxiety release," continued Pastor. "We are to 'abstain from fleshly lusts' (1 Peter 2:11) and 'flee also youthful lusts' (2 Timothy 2:22), for lust 'bringeth forth death' (James 1:15). And more to the point for those debauched divorcees, Matthew told us that 'whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart' (Matthew 5:28). This means that masturbation of an erect organ can occur only if the erection is naturally-induced, such as by the morning sun or an overfilled bladder." Pastor Deacon Fred then concluded, "The only way to masturbate without lust is to keep your mind on Christ at all times."
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[xirtam]

P.S. You can't be a little bit pregnant. You either are, or you're not. God either exists, or he doesn't. Consider the absurdity.

Q: Does God exist?

A: Well, sorta.

 

[moshquerade]

i'm Catholic and get this:

viva la masturbation!

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: Stefan
Catholisism was the very first christian church. Jesus appointed Peter as the first pope. Some didn't agree with everything and they branched off (IIRC, it was the Lutheran church that was the first to split because they didn't agree because the king wanted to have multiple wives and Catholicism rejected this idea).

That is completely wrong. Jesus did not ever call Peter the pope and the pope is a blaspheme if anything. The entire concept of the pope is against so many verses in the bible I often question if ANY catholics read the bible. It is, after all, the least read best seller of all time.

I often question if ANY Protestants research anything from Catholic sources, or if they're only permitted to read anti-Catholic material. If you want to argue something about Catholicism, let's pick one topic and stick to it until it's done =)

Absolute truth exists, this is ridiculous to say otherwise. Whether anyone knows or grasps it is another topic, but absolute truth exists. It has nothing to do with religion or philosophy. I absolutely exist, no amount of perspective can change that. It is purely objective.

What is the pillar and foundation of truth?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: BadNewsBears
Sorry to say this in off topic. Another problem with the catholic church. I beleive in god and jesus. but not church and all that BS.

Oh NO u wacked off!!!! Im sure at the gates of heaven god will say NO u beat off you cant come in! Dumbasses. Jesus didnt say I cant whack off. God didnt stamp it into stone. I will not listen to some dipshit in a robe telling me to do what he says.

How... Enlightened. :roll:

Originally posted by: Mill
One of the more asinine threads of all time. Something that is purely of instinct is not a sin -- otherwise why would we have that instinct?

Instinct to masturbate? Yes. To rape/pillage? No. To murder? No, unless survival depends on it. Masturbation is something that everyone figures out just by being alive. To call it a sin, is a silly idea no doubt created by people without a clitoris or a penis. I can't think of any instinct I have that is innately sinful(at least according to my beliefs). Does my instinct tell me to rob, murder, molest, rob, burglarize, set fires, or get drunk and hit someone with a car? Nope. Does it tell me to masturbate? Why sure.

There are actually medications for people who have guilt from masturbating now. I suggest some of you look into it -- because it isn't healthy to feel bad about jerking it -- at least not when you are over 14 years old.

We have logic to govern our instincts, not instincts to relieve us of all responsibility that comes with reason. Our ability to override our instincts is what makes us greater than the rest of the animal kingdom.

Originally posted by: Mill
Oh did he? Did he say masturbation was a sin? If he did he should be shot to death and sodomized by tranquil villagers from Nantucket.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Mill
It is ignorant to believe that you chose so wisely as to be the only one right. Failing that, it is ignorant to assume that there can only be one answer to a question or one "truth" as you'd have it said. Religious Dogma and "who is right" are questions that no one can answer, but also questions that are pondered but idiots. There is no way to have a definitive answer on either unless you consider "faith" which is purely illogical, so there is no logical way to discern who is right or wrong. In the end you have no more validity to your statements than a Caveman. Both of you wondered about the cause of life and the afterlife, but neither of you are any more advanced in your beliefs. All you can assume is something illogical, and hope that you are right, which when you examine the number of beliefs and people, you have less than a 0.01% chance of being right.

I highly suggest you read up on ethics in general. There are certain behaviors that are appropriate or not, regardless of faith or creed. Quite a field has built up in this area over the last 2500 years or so. Surprised someone as enlightened as yourself hasn't heard of it.

Originally posted by: Schmitty
Read the book, Angles and Demons and the DaVinche(Spelling) code, by Dan Brown. In those books in sections it says how Catholics have ?borrowed? thoughts and ideas from other religions, no I know this book is a novel but the fact still remains that Dan does his research. So in light of that and knowing that religion gathers lines of thought from one another. To think that a religion has some how got it completely correct, is completely ignorant and asinine. To even think for a moment that 1 religion, especially all of Christianity?s different factions, is the ?Truth? is asinine.

I typically rely on works of fiction for my information on religion. :roll:

Originally posted by: Mill
HAHAHA. Dude, look , once you get a basic understanding of philosophy or fallacies -- please give me a ring. Until then, I can deal without having to discuss religion with a child. It *is* subjective; everything is subjective. Nothing is absolute, there is no truth. Prove otherwise...

Why don't you prove that everything is subjective? It works both ways.

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i'm John Kerry Catholic and get this:

viva la masturbation!

Fixed.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Mill
It is ignorant to believe that you chose so wisely as to be the only one right. Failing that, it is ignorant to assume that there can only be one answer to a question or one "truth" as you'd have it said. Religious Dogma and "who is right" are questions that no one can answer, but also questions that are pondered but idiots. There is no way to have a definitive answer on either unless you consider "faith" which is purely illogical, so there is no logical way to discern who is right or wrong. In the end you have no more validity to your statements than a Caveman. Both of you wondered about the cause of life and the afterlife, but neither of you are any more advanced in your beliefs. All you can assume is something illogical, and hope that you are right, which when you examine the number of beliefs and people, you have less than a 0.01% chance of being right.

I highly suggest you read up on ethics in general. There are certain behaviors that are appropriate or not, regardless of faith or creed. Quite a field has built up in this area over the last 2500 years or so. Surprised someone as enlightened as yourself hasn't heard of it.

Originally posted by: Schmitty
Read the book, Angles and Demons and the DaVinche(Spelling) code, by Dan Brown. In those books in sections it says how Catholics have ?borrowed? thoughts and ideas from other religions, no I know this book is a novel but the fact still remains that Dan does his research. So in light of that and knowing that religion gathers lines of thought from one another. To think that a religion has some how got it completely correct, is completely ignorant and asinine. To even think for a moment that 1 religion, especially all of Christianity?s different factions, is the ?Truth? is asinine.

I typically rely on works of fiction for my information on religion. :roll:

Originally posted by: Mill
HAHAHA. Dude, look , once you get a basic understanding of philosophy or fallacies -- please give me a ring. Until then, I can deal without having to discuss religion with a child. It *is* subjective; everything is subjective. Nothing is absolute, there is no truth. Prove otherwise...

Why don't you prove that everything is subjective? It works both ways.

Originally posted by: moshquerade
i'm John Kerry Catholic and get this:

viva la masturbation!

Fixed.

no, you need to go get FIXED!

 

[DougK62]

As soon as I saw the word "Catholic" in the post title I just KNEW that some dumbass "Christian" would be ragging on Catholics.

It's sad that I was right.

 

[no0b]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
most catholics are only in church 3 times in their life, and carried in twice.

(birth, wedding, death, for the clueless)

Nah most catholics are chreasters.

<------------Poster Child for mas....er....Catholicism.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: FleshLight
On a side note:

There are Jews in the world, there are Buddists,
There are Hindus and Mormons and then
There are those that follow Mohammad, but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six footer,
You don't have to have a great brain,
You don't have to have any clothes on,
You're a Catholic the moment Dad came, because

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs,
On the dusty ground,
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Hindu, Taoist, Morman,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is useful,
Every sperm is fine,
God needs everybody's,
Mine, and mine, and mine.

Let the pagans spill theirs,
O'er mountain, hill and plain.
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

:laugh:

 

[cosine17]

sue from talk sex says masteurbation is healthy and its normal to do it at least once a day.

shes older than jesus ever was so she must be right.

 

[Jfrag Teh Foul]

I'm a Christian, but don't think I won't pound one out every once in a while.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: FleshLight
On a side note:

...

I cut it out to save some space...

The catholic church recognizes sex as being for both procreation and for pleasure within marriage. A "seed" is not wasted unless one of you is trying to get pregant and the other is trying to prevent a pregnancy.

In that same light is the "seed" wasted when your spouse or SO takes a moneyshot to the face?


Ausm

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
no, you need to go get FIXED!

Just curious, how can you be Catholic yet stand in direct contradiction to Catholic teaching? If you don't believe it, then why associate with them? This is what led me to call you a John Kerry Catholic - seems that you're culturally, rather than religiously, Catholic.

 

[Alatariel]

Originally posted by: malak

It's not an opinion. They believe in the bible, yet believe other things that are clearly contrary to the bible. That's why they are called misconceptions. It's not a matter of opinion, I can even show you lists of websites detailing each item. They are common because they are rooted in the early Catholic church and have survived since then due to the lack of actual studying done by Christians. Research has shown that the bible is the least read best seller, and you can find this out in any church. If they are willing to admit it. And even the ones that do read the bible read some translation which is an interpretation of original text, and can sometimes be the cause of some of the misconceptions. Would you like some examples?

Ok - now I simply have to step in. ALL versions of the bible are interpreted translations of the original text. A guy named King James (sound familiar) had the bible translated, edited in places to match his beliefs, and then destroyed the originals. Historians now know that the entire point of the Crusades was not to convert the infidels to Christianity, as it was sold to the general public, but to find and eradicate all ancient texts that would defy the beliefs as set forth in the bible as we have it today. If you want original text to believe in from that period, stick with the Coptic texts such as the Nag Hammadi library. Further, yes, there are churches that have beliefs that are clearly contrary to the teachings in parts of the bible. However, there are many, many, many inconsistencies when looking at the book as a whole in and of itself.

 

[z0mb13]

I am catholic and I masturbate all the time

(well maybe once every 2 days?)

 

[Trevelyan]

Masturbation in and of itself is not a sin just like sex isn't a sin. It is the immoral sex, ie sex outside of marriage that is a sin. Jesus taught that not only was it a sin to commit adultury, but even to think about doing it was a sin. So not having sex with a girl but looking at her body and purposefully thinking of sexual acts is still a sin, even though you didn't have sex. That's the argument against masturbation as a sexual sin.

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: FleshLight
On a side note:
...

I cut it out to save some space...

The catholic church recognizes sex as being for both procreation and for pleasure within marriage. A "seed" is not wasted unless one of you is trying to get pregant and the other is trying to prevent a pregnancy.

In that same light is the "seed" wasted when your spouse or SO takes a moneyshot to the face?

Ausm

Well, my original thought is that it is not wasted unless either you or your spouse is trying to get pregnant (just like in my post), but CycloWizard says

Any sex act, to be ethical, must be both unitive and procreative, not just one or the other.

So I'd like to find out if that is the case. I haven't heard it before, but it could be true.

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan
Masturbation in and of itself is not a sin just like sex isn't a sin. It is the immoral sex, ie sex outside of marriage that is a sin. Jesus taught that not only was it a sin to commit adultury, but even to think about doing it was a sin. So not having sex with a girl but looking at her body and purposefully thinking of sexual acts is still a sin, even though you didn't have sex. That's the argument against masturbation as a sexual sin.

That's the way I've heard it, as well.

I have to ask forgiveness several times a day. (For thoughts, not masturbation).

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Stefan
Well, my original thought is that it is not wasted unless either you or your spouse is trying to get pregnant (just like in my post), but CycloWizard says

Any sex act, to be ethical, must be both unitive and procreative, not just one or the other.

So I'd like to find out if that is the case. I haven't heard it before, but it could be true.

Not necessarily trying to become pregnant, but doing the deed in a manner that is not obstructive to the possibility of pregnancy as a possible outcome.