:roll: I already did answer it. It is neither unitive nor procreative. Thus, it violates both utilities of sexual faculty and is inherently unethical.
moshquerade
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Well if masterbation is against the bible then I've already sinned 15 times today. Looks like you can add that to the list of why im going to hell.
Is it such a hard question? Whether or not I have has nothing to do with anything. The question is: is it an appropriate use of sexual faculties? Why or why not? I've done plenty of things that are wrong, but that's hardly the issue.
moshquerade
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yes, you have.
and then the next question: do you still masturbate? because if you don't i am sure you have wet dreams, at least if you are a young guy, because your body needs to release that ejaculate periodically. which is another reason for the need to masturbate.
Your intellect is stunning. You can't argue with what I said so you have a conversation with yourself. :roll:
moshquerade
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I can copy and paste things from the dictionary. They'll be true, sure. They'll also be completely irrelevant. I only say this because this is essentially what you've done here to this point.
moshquerade
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your holier than thou attitude is stinkin' up this place.
what i said has relevance. you don't like it cause it's true.
I explained why the church's position is as it is. You can try to dance around it all you want - it is of no consequence to me. I'm not here to condemn anyone, nor to be condemned. I'm here to explain why things are the way they are. You're just trying to turn it into some sort of personal crusade and make excuses for acting unethically. You don't realize that I realize full well there are lots of reasons why people do unethical things, but that doesn't make them right. Doing the right thing is seldom easy, but that doesn't make it any less right.
moshquerade
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so you've explained how you feel, you can bow out now.
i don't feel masturbation is "unethical", and you aren't going to convince me otherwise.
If they can't masturbate, why would they go one step further and abuse young children (predominantly boys *cough*)? If they can't do one thing, why would they feel ok doing something much worse?
Either they are delusional or they were perverted to begin with (before they were ordained).
Besides, celibacy wasn't something sprung on them
"Congratulations, oh yeah by the way, Father Michael, you cannot marry from now on."
You could have just plugged your fingers in your ears and screamed "I'm not listening!" a long time ago and not wasted anyone's time. :roll::roll::roll::roll:
moshquerade
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moshquerade
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Your second-grade insults are almost as ridiculous as your debate techniques. After 20+ posts, you never once addressed a single point that I made. Have your
- I'm done with you.Not be ashamed of her body.Originally posted by: moshquerade
can't what?Originally posted by: A5
My g/f can't.
moshquerade
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you already gave me a cookie dumbass, and you talk about 2nd grade insults :roll:Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Your second-grade insults are almost as ridiculous as your debate techniques. After 20+ posts, you never once addressed a single point that I made. Have your
i did too address your points. you just can't see the forest for the trees.
moshquerade
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yeh, good ole Catholic guilt. i was scourged with it too for awhile.Originally posted by: A5
Not be ashamed of her body.Originally posted by: moshquerade
can't what?Originally posted by: A5
My g/f can't.
Originally posted by: A5
Not be ashamed of her body.Originally posted by: moshquerade
can't what?Originally posted by: A5
My g/f can't.
i am gonna intrude for one second... i think a lot of women (including me) are ashamed, self concious of their bodies because of what is "the norm". there are so many airbrushed, large chested women, its hard to think anything else is good or right.
The thing is, most girls that feel that way are usually very pretty or attractive, yet they still feel they are not good enough because they are not like the models and girls on the web, mags, etc.
Mill:
You brought up Descartes. Not me. Leave the ad hominem out of it. It's you who has created the Descartes strawman, so I find your hypocrisy ironic. My argument was to the Aquinas/Anselm line of thinking, carried forth by Geisler. I think we can both readily admit that Descartes was a screwball. Your use of google is irrelevant.
You then make appeals to consequentialism, which I don't uphold. There's a difference between murder and lawful execution/retribution. Not all killing is murder.
It is absolutely true that I exist, because by denying it, I affirm my existence. This isn't Descartes logic. It's logic. Use your brain, not your strawmen.
Descartes said "I think, therefore I am," and then expounded it to include a host of stuff that didn't have adequate basis. That's not my argument. Don't try to make it so. I have explained why your arguments commit logical suicide. You haven't done anything to prove otherwise, other than to say, "no they don't." The burden of proof is on your shoulders.
As far as my proof for absolute truth, I will claim that that which is actually undeniable in the philosophical sense is absolutely true. Such as the fact that I exist. You wouldn't deny that it's true that you exist, would you? Perhaps you would without seeing a problem with it, but to do so has the same philosophical problems as your blanket claims regarding absolute truth and the "superiority" of your artifical and baseless construction of moral relativity... that is, the arguments defeat themselves. All you have to do is think about your statements to see the inherent hypocrisy and subjective fallacies within their own respective contexts.
You brought up Descartes. Not me. Leave the ad hominem out of it. It's you who has created the Descartes strawman, so I find your hypocrisy ironic. My argument was to the Aquinas/Anselm line of thinking, carried forth by Geisler. I think we can both readily admit that Descartes was a screwball. Your use of google is irrelevant.
You then make appeals to consequentialism, which I don't uphold. There's a difference between murder and lawful execution/retribution. Not all killing is murder.
It is absolutely true that I exist, because by denying it, I affirm my existence. This isn't Descartes logic. It's logic. Use your brain, not your strawmen.
Descartes said "I think, therefore I am," and then expounded it to include a host of stuff that didn't have adequate basis. That's not my argument. Don't try to make it so. I have explained why your arguments commit logical suicide. You haven't done anything to prove otherwise, other than to say, "no they don't." The burden of proof is on your shoulders.
As far as my proof for absolute truth, I will claim that that which is actually undeniable in the philosophical sense is absolutely true. Such as the fact that I exist. You wouldn't deny that it's true that you exist, would you? Perhaps you would without seeing a problem with it, but to do so has the same philosophical problems as your blanket claims regarding absolute truth and the "superiority" of your artifical and baseless construction of moral relativity... that is, the arguments defeat themselves. All you have to do is think about your statements to see the inherent hypocrisy and subjective fallacies within their own respective contexts.
I think you need to look at the problems and not the church as a whole. Yes the church has had priests molesting children. So have many other churches, schools, etc. Some people try to cover it up, but nobody ever supports it and when it comes out, people pay the price for it.
The catholic church isn't hypocritical because some of it's members tried to get away with abuse.
As a catholic I thought you would be interested to know what I posted because it directly affects you. Your religion says that masturbation is wrong when done to pleasure yourself, but is fine (my interrpretation) if it is done to enhance your relationship with your spouse.
You should at least acknowledge what your religions stance on the issue is before you say "this rule is stupid, that rule is dumb and I don't have to follow it because of..."
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