To all anti vaccination people

[mmntech]

Well, they once thought frigid mothers and watching too much cable TV caused autism. Those have since been thoroughly debunked, same with the vaccine thing.

The truth is we don't really know what causes autism but the prevailing theory is it's a genetic defect. What we can do is eliminate causes by using facts and large "n" studies. The other problem with autism too is it has come to encompass a much broader definition over the years. Especially since Aspergers was categorized as autism spectrum in the DSM-V last year.

Assuming autism is genetic, it's going to manifest itself pretty early on. Giving a baby a MMR shot isn't going to rewrite their DNA. Real life doesn't work on the same principles of the Bioshock universe. You simply can't catch autism like you do a cold. That's not to say that other environmental factors couldn't be causing the defect. But I would think those would have to manifest themselves at conception.


The anti-vac movement though is part of a much broader problem in western society. A lot of people are scientifically illiterate. It's like some sort of voodoo to a big chunk of the population. I don't know what that's from. Maybe they're just not teaching it correctly in schools, or it's a cultural thing. Some scientists do lie and make stuff up for money or recognition. The autism/vaccine thing is a very notable example. However, it's hard to ignore what thousands of doctors and real hard facts show.

The fact that you can wake up and reasonably assume that you'll find your baby alive in their crib is a testament to the power of vaccines and other health advances made over the last century. My parents had cousins that died in childhood over diseases that can be prevented today with vaccines. That was only 50-60 years ago. They would have been alive today had that stuff been available. According to the CDC, the infant mortality rate in the US declined 93% between 1915 and 1997. Or in other words, 100 years ago you had a 1 in 10 chance of your baby dying. Now it's 6 in 1000.

 

[Rakehellion]

But the other 99.9% don't :biggrin:

I'm pretty there's no vaccine that's 99% effective. They mostly work by herd immunity.

 

[Rakehellion]

Ah yes like the data for the rising rate of autism .

Have to change the variable before you can test a hypothesis eh? Armchair/newsarticle scientists woo.

 

[Rakehellion]

With that said, I agree that unvaccinated children who aren't excluded for a valid medical reason shouldn't be allowed into public schools. People who can't get vaccinated for a host of valid reasons have to rely on others to maintain critical mass. Putting an unvaccinated person into regular contact with those people is essentially subjecting them to risk they can't control for no good reason.

If your child is vaccinated, they can't get the disease even if they're in contact with someone who has it, so what you're saying makes no sense.

 

[BurnItDwn]

You don't get a flu show so you don't get the flu. You get a flu shot so you don't spread the flu to those who are sick or weak. Not getting a flu shot may not make any real difference for you. That's why flu shots should be 'free' for everybody, they benefit the frail, the elderly, and the very young the most. Flu shots for every person in the world every year is a drop in the bucket in terms of cost when compared to the costs of funerals or hospital care for all the people sick or who die from the flu. It's a drop in the bucket compared to lost productivity.

To be anti flu shot is to be anti humanity. Like it or not, it's true.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

If your child is vaccinated, they can't get the disease even if they're in contact with someone who has it, so what you're saying makes no sense.

Bull. Vaccinations don't have a 100% effectiveness rating. They can range from 50-95%.

Which is why you want as many people vaccinated as possible to reduce possible transmission vectors.

 

[Jay5]

Thinking flu vaccines are worthless != Being against the fucking polio vaccine.

You're either trolling or retarded.

i knew flu shots were worthless when i found out people still get the flu even with the shot,and its probably even worse today with the failure obamacare turned out to be

 

[Paratus]

i knew flu shots were worthless when i found out people still get the flu even with the shot,and its probably even worse today with the failure obamacare turned out to be

 

[BurnItDwn]

i knew flu shots were worthless when i found out people still get the flu even with the shot,and its probably even worse today with the failure obamacare turned out to be

It's too soon for it to have turned out to be a failure. Even though people are trying very very hard to make it as much of a failure as is possible, it is not possible for it to have failed in the past tense since that is only something that can happen in the future.

Also before you say it, you are not a timelord, you do not have a tardis. You are not a master of time. You live under a bridge and ask people questions when they try to cross.

 

[zinfamous]

The rate is increasing fast enough that I think its *something* other than genetics.

Yes, that something is called: diagnosis.

oh--it's even mentioned in the asterisk. lol--I didn't even look at the chart.

 

[Jay5]

It's too soon for it to have turned out to be a failure.

keep tellin yourself that.maybe someday it will be true

 

[BurnItDwn]

keep tellin yourself that.maybe someday it will be true

That is only possible if time flows backwards.

However, it is possible that it may fail in the future. I strongly disagree with the way the system was put together. A real universal health care is what we really need, but this is a step in the right direction.

 

[ImpulsE69]

You don't get a flu show so you don't get the flu. You get a flu shot so you don't spread the flu to those who are sick or weak. Not getting a flu shot may not make any real difference for you. That's why flu shots should be 'free' for everybody, they benefit the frail, the elderly, and the very young the most. Flu shots for every person in the world every year is a drop in the bucket in terms of cost when compared to the costs of funerals or hospital care for all the people sick or who die from the flu. It's a drop in the bucket compared to lost productivity.

To be anti flu shot is to be anti humanity. Like it or not, it's true.

I hadn't looked at it that way, but I don't get it the way you wrote it. I assume you mean you get the shot so you don't get the flu so you don't spread it to others....not that you get the shot, *possibly* get the flu, then by some vaccine miracle you don't spread it to someone else. Maybe I completely misunderstand. I get not wanting to spread it to others, but the vaccine doesn't (or am I wrong) prevent that from happening. It just lessens the chance of someone getting it.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I hadn't looked at it that way, but I don't get it the way you wrote it. I assume you mean you get the shot so you don't get the flu so you don't spread it to others....not that you get the shot, *possibly* get the flu, then by some vaccine miracle you don't spread it to someone else. Maybe I completely misunderstand. I get not wanting to spread it to others, but the vaccine doesn't (or am I wrong) prevent that from happening. It just lessens the chance of someone getting it.

The way you don't spread it to others is by not getting the flu, yes. Sorry if I was unclear. I am not sorry for my condescending and blunt attitude though.

 

[DrPizza]

Other than a gut feel that spacing out the vaccinations provides some benefit, what makes you think this is the case?

In fact the only benefit it looks like you'd get is a perceived reduction in risk from unknown side effects. Hardly the stuff to hang a change to the entire countries vaccine schedule in my opinion.

Data. Lots of it. Thankfully, these policy decisions aren't made on "gut feelings."

Another think like me or else thread, awesome.

You're free to think that 1+1=3. Maybe, just maybe, you have a gut feeling that 1 + 1 ought to be a little bit bigger than 2. It's not so much "thinking" as it is looking at a plethora of data and having informed knowledge.

 

[ImpulsE69]

The way you don't spread it to others is by not getting the flu, yes. Sorry if I was unclear. I am not sorry for my condescending and blunt attitude though.

Contrary to popular belief, I don't mind that. You at least put some thought behind your belittling post

 

[Ichinisan]

Waiting for TexasHiker to weigh-in...

 

[lykaon78]

http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/

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