To all anti vaccination people

[Fanatical Meat]

There have been several vaccination threads, here is a story about the last reported polio case in India, poor girl and even sadder that parents chose not to vaccinate for similar reasons we have heard here.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/22/health/india-end-of-polio/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

 

[techs]

Sadly there is no vaccination against stupid.

 

[phucheneh]

Thinking flu vaccines are worthless != Being against the fucking polio vaccine.

You're either trolling or retarded.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

^^my point is the parents chose not to vaccinate her because she was small & weak. They thought the vaccine would be dangerous to her.
The other point is India went all out getting people vaccinated and it has worked.

 

[DrPizza]

Thinking flu vaccines are worthless != Being against the fucking polio vaccine.

You're either trolling or retarded.

Thinking that flu vaccines are worthless actually does place you in the same category as the idiots who think other vaccines are worthless or dangerous.

Thus, your post means you're either trolling or retarded.

 

[phucheneh]

Thinking that flu vaccines are worthless actually does place you in the same category as the idiots who think other vaccines are worthless or dangerous.

Thus, your post means you're either trolling or retarded.

You're incorrect.

Luckily, it should be a familiar feeling for you.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Thinking that flu vaccines are worthless actually does place you in the same category as the idiots who think other vaccines are worthless or dangerous.

Thus, your post means you're either trolling or retarded.

Eh, flu shots are a best guess scenario. I know lots of people who get shots religiously and still get it. I on the other hand never do and rarely do.

 

[bononos]

There have been several vaccination threads, here is a story about the last reported polio case in India, poor girl and even sadder that parents chose not to vaccinate for similar reasons we have heard here.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/22/health/india-end-of-polio/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Polio rates have been dropping without any contribution from vaccines.
Some skeptics have proposed that the vaccination is not safe and is hidden
by misdiagnosing bad reactions as viral meningitis and lengthening the period of paralysis for diagnosing polio from 2weeks to months.
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html

 

[MrDudeMan]

Eh, flu shots are a best guess scenario. I know lots of people who get shots religiously and still get it. I on the other hand never do and rarely do.

You have absolutely no point whatsoever. The fact that you don't get the flu is a completely worthless data point. Surely you understand not getting the vaccine doesn't immunize you, so not getting it means you're simply lucky and that's all. It says absolutely nothing about the efficacy of the vaccine. I absolutely hate when retards spout this kind of nonsense as if it's some kind of proclamation of their expertise in immunology. It's actually just a case of survivorship bias.

 

[Jeff7]

Polio rates have been dropping without any contribution from vaccines.
Some skeptics have proposed that the vaccination is not safe and is hidden
by misdiagnosing bad reactions as viral meningitis and lengthening the period of paralysis for diagnosing polio from 2weeks to months.
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html

Phew!
At least they have homeopaths and natural healers in there. :awe:

If a child develops measles, chicken pox, whooping cough, mumps, rubella or any of the other common childhood infections, it is not because of germs, but because of the accumulated toxic waste within its body, a condition known as Toxaemia.

"These microorganisms (germs) feed upon the poisonous material which they find in the sick organism and prepare it for excretion. These tiny organisms are derived from still tinier organisms called microzyma. These microzyma are present in the tissues and blood of all living organisms where they remain normally quiescent and harmless. When the welfare of the human body is threatened by the presence of potentially harmful material, a transmutation takes place. The microzyma changes into a bacterium or virus which immediately goes to work to rid the body of this harmful material. When the bacteria or viruses have completed their task of consuming the harmful material they automatically revert to the microzyma stage"

This page should have been hosted on Geocities, after it was coded in using punch cards, which were created based on 200-year-old books!



Oooooh, they even link to some antisemitic sites - thsee mean ol' Jews are controlling Google, Facebook, Wikipedia, Yahoo!, MySpace, eBay, and more, all part of their massive conspiracy.
And they of course have the required pages about the New World Order, and the Illuminati.
Checking for chemtrails....yup.
Microbes don't cause diseases.

I'd better be careful what I say though, otherwise they might send psychic assassins after me.



Try this site instead for a source, as referenced in this thread.








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[phucheneh]

You have absolutely no point whatsoever. The fact that you don't get the flu is a completely worthless data point. Surely you understand not getting the vaccine doesn't immunize you, so not getting it means you're simply lucky and that's all. It says absolutely nothing about the efficacy of the vaccine. I absolutely hate when retards spout this kind of nonsense as if it's some kind of proclamation of their expertise in immunology. It's actually just a case of survivorship bias.

My point...was that he has no point. I was just saying that you cannot take the meh, flu vaccine' crowd and lump them in with the 'standard childhood shots gave my kid autism/diabeetus/hysterical pregnancy/something weird' crowd.

 

[MongGrel]

They ought to start a separate school system and have the non vaccinated kids go to the one over there with the dead bodies laying around it.

There ya go guys, have fun, try not to catch polio or something, we'll be over here alive.

 

[ImpulsE69]

My point...was that he has no point. I was just saying that you cannot take the meh, flu vaccine' crowd and lump them in with the 'standard childhood shots gave my kid autism/diabeetus/hysterical pregnancy/something weird' crowd.

This was my point as well. The flu vaccination is a educated guess that doesn't always hit the mark. It's not absolute and really not comparable to the overall vaccinations in question. He just spouted off typical internet flame boy hate post, and wow..he said nothing that actually contributed to the discussion. Big surprise there. ATOT wiki experts in effect.

 

[Paratus]

Polio rates have been dropping without any contribution from vaccines.
Some skeptics have proposed that the vaccination is not safe and is hidden
by misdiagnosing bad reactions as viral meningitis and lengthening the period of paralysis for diagnosing polio from 2weeks to months.
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html

Yes yes yes. Polio rates have dropped 99.99% naturally with no help from vaccines.

 

[Iron Woode]

Polio rates have been dropping without any contribution from vaccines.
Some skeptics have proposed that the vaccination is not safe and is hidden
by misdiagnosing bad reactions as viral meningitis and lengthening the period of paralysis for diagnosing polio from 2weeks to months.
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html

that site does not have skeptics; they have anti-vaccine nutters.

real skeptics debunk sites like that and NaturalNews as well as anti-GMO sites like GMwatch.

 

[OverVolt]

I learned that I personally had the vaccines much later than kids today get them. If true I'm not so sure. There was some Japanese study that saw an uptick in Autism with a faster vaccine schedule? I bet its not related to the preservative however.

Looking.

I don't know if its a kook site or not, but seems like a launching point nonetheless to see if its kooky or not.

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/japvaxautism/

 

[DrPizza]

My point...was that he has no point. I was just saying that you cannot take the meh, flu vaccine' crowd and lump them in with the 'standard childhood shots gave my kid autism/diabeetus/hysterical pregnancy/something weird' crowd.

Well, I suppose you're correct. If I was to draw a Venn Diagram of the "vaccines gave my kid autism" and "flu vaccines are worthless" sets of people, there would be a lot of overlap, but alas, the two are not equal sets. Nonetheless, both sets are a subset of the set of idiots.

 

[OverVolt]

Well, I suppose you're correct. If I was to draw a Venn Diagram of the "vaccines gave my kid autism" and "flu vaccines are worthless" sets of people, there would be a lot of overlap, but alas, the two are not equal sets. Nonetheless, both sets are a subset of the set of idiots.

Mmm I feel like both may be wrong. I don't think its the preservative, but I also don't think its a good idea to give 2,3,4 month olds a ton of vaccines either. I felt pretty unwell from the flu vaccine with headaches and such its plausible exposing kids to several antigens at once while they are developing is not a good idea. What are they going to do complain about their headache?

 

[preCRT]

Anti-vax folks are nutjobs.

Their children should be banned from public schools, pediatricians should refuse to treat those kids as patients.

When their kids do come down with a vaccine preventable disease, the parents should go to jail as child abusers.

 

[OverVolt]

Anti-vax folks are nutjobs.

Their children should be banned from public schools, pediatricians should refuse to treat those kids as patients.

When their kids do come down with a vaccine preventable disease, the parents should go to jail as child abusers.

Ermagerd just push back the vaccine schedule back to 15 months like it was when I was born, and when we eliminated polio, and keep* tabs on the data.

 

[MrDudeMan]

This was my point as well. The flu vaccination is a educated guess that doesn't always hit the mark. It's not absolute and really not comparable to the overall vaccinations in question. He just spouted off typical internet flame boy hate post, and wow..he said nothing that actually contributed to the discussion. Big surprise there. ATOT wiki experts in effect.

Actually, I did. This is a clear case of survivorship bias and saying that doesn't mean I'm simply a wiki expert. You have no idea what my background is nor does it matter because your supposed point can be disproven by anyone who has reading comprehension; no fancy degree is required. If you had even a shred of data, I wouldn't reply this way, but you obviously don't. Just because someone calls you out on obvious bullshit doesn't mean they're writing a 'flame boy hate post' as you called it.

To be more specific, your point carries no weight and has absolutely no impact on this discussion other than to draw attention away from more substantial statements. Saying you never get the flu and you never get the vaccine is either unintentional misdirection or idiotic rambling. I don't care which because the end result is the same - it contributes literally nothing to the topic specifically because you admitted not coming into contact with the vaccine. Further, calling the flu vaccine an educated guess while also implying that it often misses because - and here's the circular part - it's just a guess is grossly ignorant of how the particular proteins are selected from various strains to be the targets of mass produced vaccines in any given year. Lastly, it's comparable to 'overall vaccinations' (whatever the hell that means) because it's extremely common. Polio having a more targeted vaccine doesn't mean it's completely unrelated to every other vaccination group statistically. There's an obvious spectrum of efficacy, but that's not even what we're discussing at the moment. That's where the argument should be, but we're about 10 big giant moonsteps away from that.

 

[MtnMan]

^^my point is the parents chose not to vaccinate her because she was small & weak. They thought the vaccine would be dangerous to her.
The other point is India went all out getting people vaccinated and it has worked.

That is what happens when stupid people try to think........ :$

 

[MtnMan]

Eh, flu shots are a best guess scenario. I know lots of people who get shots religiously and still get it. I on the other hand never do and rarely do.

But the other 99.9% don't :biggrin:

 

[Paratus]

Ermagerd just push back the vaccine schedule back to 15 months like it was when I was born, and when we eliminated polio, and keeps tabs on the data.

Hmm the schedule couldn't be set up the way it is today due to data could it? No, of course not.

Your argument sound reasonable from your own anecdote, but anecdotes are not data.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Anti-vax folks are nutjobs.

Their children should be banned from public schools, pediatricians should refuse to treat those kids as patients.

When their kids do come down with a vaccine preventable disease, the parents should go to jail as child abusers.

That's pretty extreme. A dose of skepticism isn't necessarily a bad thing sometimes. Choosing not to vaccinate based on little or no data is pretty stupid, though.

With that said, I agree that unvaccinated children who aren't excluded for a valid medical reason shouldn't be allowed into public schools. People who can't get vaccinated for a host of valid reasons have to rely on others to maintain critical mass. Putting an unvaccinated person into regular contact with those people is essentially subjecting them to risk they can't control for no good reason. If you choose to skip vaccines, there should be consequences. There are arguments both ways, but I think they're all petty compared to the aforementioned issue.