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Titan Z announced - where are the reviews?

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From a CUDA deveoper perspective this card makes no sense to me,I very much doubt it can come close to my K6000 in the application we work on.Moreover it doesn't support the qaudro driver stack(I belive I have seen in the past when someone hacked and made it work on a geforce but that is a no go in any corporate environment) and most importantly it doesn't support ECC.Remember enabling ECC will take away 12.5% of your tital vram which may hurt it as a 4K gaming card.I understand it belongs to a niche but I just don't seem to find it.
 
Looks like Amazon and NE sold out of EVGA models. Although since Amazon had ~ 9 of the standard version initially, we could be talking about literally a whole 20-30 units moving. Which is exactly why they can get away with the price, and exactly why in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter.
 
OCGuy said:
Looks like Amazon and NE sold out of EVGA models. Although since Amazon had ~ 9 of the standard version initially, we could be talking about literally a whole 20-30 units moving. Which is exactly why they can get away with the price, and exactly why in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter.
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Selling 15-20 pieces is not a success for any product even if its a Ferrari.

So in the Grand Scheme of things, it does matter.
 
rtsurfer said:
Selling 15-20 pieces is not a success for any product even if its a Ferrari.

So in the Grand Scheme of things, it does matter.
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I don't think I said what you think I said.

But even using a car analogy, selling 15-20 out of 15-20 Ferraris is as good as the outcome could possibly be. If that is a "success" or not is subjective.
 
It's not the Titan Z but the 1100$ Titan Black is ranked #75 on amazon's top 100 sellers.

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Supercloc...ds=gtx+titan+z

Amazon's top 100 :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers...rsr_e_1_4_last

So with that, I think there's a market for these cards but it isn't predominantly for gaming. That should be obvious: The gamer can simply buy 6GB GTX 780ti's, which doesn't have unlocked DP. DP isn't needed for gaming. But DP does help for scientific and professional applications, ie CUDA developers.
 
OCGuy said:
I don't think I said what you think I said.

But even using a car analogy, selling 15-20 out of 15-20 Ferraris is as good as the outcome could possibly be. If that is a "success" or not is subjective.
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Selling 30 $3000 Titan Z's is like selling 360 $250 GTX 760's. Nvidia knows the price doesn't make sense, but knows they'll sell the limited number they make. This is a good move for Nvidia, a company that wants to make money. From a consumer standpoint, I don't think this card has much of anything going for it at the current price, but that doesn't mean Nvidia isn't going to sell what they make.
 
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Its whatever you want it to be man.
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I don't think anyone what I want it to be.
I could have wanted it to be $1000 & become a Price/$ monster.
We all know that is not going to happen.

Instead I think we all should accept it as it is in reality, a failure
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OCGuy said:
I don't think I said what you think I said.

But even using a car analogy, selling 15-20 out of 15-20 Ferraris is as good as the outcome could possibly be. If that is a "success" or not is subjective.
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Yes I admit I had some trouble comprehending what you were trying to say in your post, I think it wasn't clear.

As for the car analogy, it depends what kind of Ferrari it is.
Selling 15-20 of the LaFerrari is a success, selling 15-20 of the 458 is a failure.
There is a difference between the two cars, one is intended to be made in a limited quantity, whether they can find buyers for all of them is a different story. It will still find a place somewhere as a collector's car.


Similarly, I don't think Nvidia announced this as their limited 20th Anniversary card or something.
So they would like to manufacture & sell as many as they can.
But due to their poor business strategy, they can't.

If this card had the performance to backup its price, it could have found home in several enthusiasts PCs like the Original Titan did. But we all know that isn't going to happen.

This is Nvidia's 458, & they can't sell much because it doesn't perform.
So it can be considered a failure.
 
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Guys, I don't think rtsurfer likes the card. Not positive, but I think he thinks it is a failure!

Maybe he can reassure us with another post.

Infraction issued for member callout.
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Guys, I don't think rtsurfer likes the card. Not positive, but I think he thinks it is a failure!

Maybe he can reassure us with another post.
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I would have stopped posting if people had stopped arguing that it is something it isn't.

Don't people jump when someone posts that the Hawaii reference cooler is nice.

Lastly if you like the card so much, get one. We need some concrete performance data on it anyways.


Edit: I will not post in this thread again unless somebody tries to justify the BS card again.
Good Bye.
I can see that the truth is hurting certain people.
 
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rtsurfer said:
I don't think anyone what I want it to be.
I could have wanted it to be $1000 & become a Price/$ monster.
We all know that is not going to happen.
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Incorrect. Traditionally, the dual GPU cards offer similar performance as two high ends cards, but the dual GPU card usually costs a little less in order to make it more appealing and seem like a good deal. Its also using less materials as well etc etc.
These dual GPU cards cost more than two high end cards, making them poor price/perf. Even at $1,000.00, it wouldn't be good price/perf for gamers because the 780ti is over priced to begin with. $1,000.00 would make the Titan Z acceptable for some people, but it would still be a little on the steep side. A card like the Titan Z should be around $800.00 for it to make sense.
 
moonbogg said:
Incorrect. Traditionally, the dual GPU cards offer similar performance as two high ends cards, but the dual GPU card usually costs a little less in order to make it more appealing and seem like a good deal. Its also using less materials as well etc etc.
These dual GPU cards cost more than two high end cards, making them poor price/perf. Even at $1,000.00, it wouldn't be good price/perf for gamers because the 780ti is over priced to begin with. $1,000.00 would make the Titan Z acceptable for some people, but it would still be a little on the steep side. A card like the Titan Z should be around $800.00 for it to make sense.
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It was just hypothetical.
The kind of price you desire is too much to ask from Nvidia or any other company be it AMD or someone else, when they launch a Halo product that is faster than other products on the market. ( Only true for the 780Ti).
 
moonbogg said:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382501,00.asp
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I will read the article later, I am at work.
From what I can gather AMD had a faster dual GPU card & I think AMD's card was cheaper than two separate cards.

I am sorry I don't know anything about those generation of cards.
The article is from 2011. I was in High School back then & my parents weren't much eager to buy me expensive PC parts.

Also I think we should take this discussion to PM, if you don't mind.
I think it doesn't interest many people here.
 
rtsurfer said:
I will read the article later, I am at work.
From what I can gather AMD had a faster dual GPU card & I think AMD's card was cheaper than two separate cards.

I am sorry I don't know anything about those generation of cards.
The article is from 2011. I was in High School back then & my parents weren't much eager to buy me expensive PC parts.

Also I think we should take this discussion to PM, if you don't mind.
I think it doesn't interest many people here.
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We can stop here. My only point was that dual GPU cards used to be priced in a way that made more sense. Dual GPU cards from GTX 690 until now are priced crazy with no justification that I can see, other than people will pay it (which is good enough I suppose).
Dual GPU flag ship used to cost $700 just a couple gens ago.
Dual GPU flag ships cost $1,500.00 and $3,000.00 now.
 
If there are no Titan Z reviews to discuss, and all that is going to take place in this thread instead is the usual pointless arguing by the usual suspects, this thread is going to be closed.
-- stahlhart
 
moonbogg said:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382501,00.asp
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Only a 500% price jump in ~3 years for their halo product (but this time it is clearly slower than AMD's halo card, and twice the price). It is easy to see why this card/launch is being picked at on forums. Nvidia knows they'll sell the limited amount they'll produce, but that doesn't make it a 'good' part from a consumer standpoint. If anyone wants to go for it, list the redeeming qualities of this part from the point of view of someone in the ultra high end video card market.
 
SlowSpyder said:
Only a 500% price jump in ~3 years for their halo product (but this time it is clearly slower than AMD's halo card, and twice the price). It is easy to see why this card/launch is being picked at on forums. Nvidia knows they'll sell the limited amount they'll produce, but that doesn't make it a 'good' part from a consumer standpoint. If anyone wants to go for it, list the redeeming qualities of this part from the point of view of someone in the ultra high end video card market.
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That's why it deserves to be called out and named and shamed to shame NV on their greed. Why some try defend or support it cannot be explained from a consumer perspective.

An ok card, comes with insane price gouging.
 
SlowSpyder said:
Selling 30 $3000 Titan Z's is like selling 360 $250 GTX 760's. Nvidia knows the price doesn't make sense, but knows they'll sell the limited number they make. This is a good move for Nvidia, a company that wants to make money. From a consumer standpoint, I don't think this card has much of anything going for it at the current price, but that doesn't mean Nvidia isn't going to sell what they make.
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And that is terrible. If they were looking to selling 360 GTX760 they might as well pack their bags and call it an end.

They sell tens of thousands of GTX 760's and among the low and mid range it can go up to million cards depending on year.

So selling 30 or 50 Titan Z won't make any financial sense. They would need to sell at least 1000 of them to break even the costs associated with creating it, transporting it and other related costs.
 
SlickR12345 said:
And that is terrible. If they were looking to selling 360 GTX760 they might as well pack their bags and call it an end.

They sell tens of thousands of GTX 760's and among the low and mid range it can go up to million cards depending on year.

So selling 30 or 50 Titan Z won't make any financial sense. They would need to sell at least 1000 of them to break even the costs associated with creating it, transporting it and other related costs.
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I quoted 30 just because that was the number someone else used in an earlier post. I agree that the Titan Z is an awful part at $3000, I can't think of any redeeming quality be it for the gamer or for a CUDA developer. But Nvidia probably will sell at least some hundreds of these I would think. The price/performance of this card must really test Nvidia loyalists who want the best they have to offer. I wouldn't be shocked if this card eventually drops down closer to $2k+, the price of two Titan Blacks, probably a smallish premium. Still, even at say $2200 it isn't an easy sell, but at $3000, I can't see any real positives for this card... but that doesn't mean Nvidia will not make money on this part.

How much did it cost for them to develop this card? Who knows, but the GPU is already 'off the shelf', probably just the cooler and board had to be built. I'm confident they won't loose money no matter how terrible the price/performance is from a consumer point of view.
 
The card didn't design itself or the cooler, they need to sell hundreds of those cards to break even. Still, it's free marketing so making this card was worth it. On top of that they "slowly" rise the prices of their top-end cards. 600 to 3000$ would be more shocking to people then 600$ to 1000$ to 1500$(3k for a card) for a single gpu.
 
Nvidia knows this product is stupid and they have lost interest in even attempting to market it. A few idiots will buy them and the rest will sit on shelves for 2yrs at the same price.
 
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