Titan Z announced - where are the reviews?

[moonbogg]

A comp tech I know has a client that just bought 4. For reals. He didn't know they were dual gpu cards and that he couldn't run all 4 cards in sli. So I may be able to get em cheap. In that case I would get em. A titan z for the same price as a 295x2 or better is still a smoking deal. I haven't asked em yet, but I'm gonna.

You can't run them in SLI, but does his application require SLI? You can still use all of the GPUs for compute tasks and parallel stuff, right?
Anyway, I don't think 4 of those cards will even fit on a motherboard unless water cooled.

 

[MagickMan]

Got one of these, out of sheer curiosity (open box return), and so far it's about 90% as fast as my 290x CF setup... Eh, I'll likely be returning it too. :\

 

[NTMBK]

Got one of these, out of sheer curiosity, and so far it's about 90% as fast as my 290x CF setup... Eh. :\

Any chance of some benchmark numbers?

 

[Bergen]

Got one of these, out of sheer curiosity (open box return), and so far it's about 90% as fast as my 290x CF setup... Eh, I'll likely be returning it too. :\

What can you tell us about heat and noise, does it get loud when fully warmed up?

 

[MagickMan]

Sure, I'll get on it when I get back, I'm stuck @30k feet right now.

What can you tell us about heat and noise, does it get loud when fully warmed up?

Nearly like a hairdryer, at full load. Okay, that's a little bit of an exaggeration, but not by too much.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Got one of these, out of sheer curiosity (open box return), and so far it's about 90% as fast as my 290x CF setup... Eh, I'll likely be returning it too. :\

Can you post some gaming performance, at least 3 different games so we can see how well it does? Does it keeps stock clocks after being stressed?

 

[Wild Thing]

"Does it keeps stock clocks after being stressed?"
-Gikaseixas
Will we see a linear drop off in FPS as a result?

 

[ultimatebob]

So, have any of the major tech sites done a review on this card yet?

I've seen some of the smaller sites review it, and it seems that it runs at about 90% of the framerate of the 295X2 on stock clock speed and about 105% of the 295X2 if overclocked.

That said, I'd imagine that the 295X2 would still beat it if is was overclocked as well.

Anyway, it seems to be a nice card... if you give it about a $1800 price cut

 

[Silverforce11]

So, have any of the major tech sites done a review on this card yet?

I've seen some of the smaller sites review it, and it seems that it runs at about 90% of the framerate of the 295X2 on stock clock speed and about 105% of the 295X2 if overclocked.

That said, I'd imagine that the 295X2 would still beat it if is was overclocked as well.

Anyway, it seems to be a nice card... if you give it about a $1800 price cut

Given the GPUz reading on clocks, at stock settings, from the earlier mentioned review in this thread has its boost going from 1058mhz to ~800 within a minute or two, I don't think there's gonna be amazing real gaming OC results, outside of quick benches.

 

[wand3r3r]

Given the GPUz reading on clocks, at stock settings, from the earlier mentioned review in this thread has its boost going from 1058mhz to ~800 within a minute or two, I don't think there's gonna be amazing real gaming OC results, outside of quick benches.

That throttles pretty badly, it's just more proof that they weren't ready for the 295x2.

 

[moonbogg]

So much silence on this thing. Its as if Nvidia wants it to just quietly die and be forgotten.

 

[Kenmitch]

So much silence on this thing. Its as if Nvidia wants it to just quietly die and be forgotten.

No major site reviews make me think it's possible NVidia put a no review ban on TitanZ....Review it and no more free samples

 

[MagickMan]

Throttling... that seems to be the story here. Quick benchmarks reveal that it's par with the 295x2, generally ~3-4% faster, but that changes as temps ramp up, leaving the GPUs falling back to non-boost clocks. Then it flags behind the 295X2 by 5-10% (and sounds like a hairdryer). Is it mostly for Compute? I have my doubts, it isn't marketed as a data center card.

One thing is absolutely sure, it begs for a waterblock and a pro cooling solution. On water, it would be brutal. On air? It isn't worth looking at. (No, I'm not prying off the stock cooler just to see).

 

[moonbogg]

I'd return that thing before I accidentally broke it.

 

[el etro]

Man, Why Nvidia don't offer WC for an extra $100 to the consumer??

 

[Kenmitch]

Throttling... that seems to be the story here. Quick benchmarks reveal that it's par with the 295x2, generally ~3-4% faster, but that changes as temps ramp up, leaving the GPUs falling back to non-boost clocks. Then it flags behind the 295X2 by 5-10% (and sounds like a hairdryer). Is it mostly for Compute? I have my doubts, it isn't marketed as a data center card.

One thing is absolutely sure, it begs for a waterblock and a pro cooling solution. On water, it would be brutal. On air? It isn't worth looking at. (No, I'm not prying off the stock cooler just to see).

Even if they included a full water block at $3000 I couldn't think of a market for the card. It's just way over the top as far as $'s for the performance it gets you....Maybe in a not so mITX build but then again the 295x2 probably would be the best choice still.

And I'll 2nd the return it before you break it....Unless your happy with the performance and intend to keep it.

 

[njdevilsfan87]

Paid $1000 for my first Titan, and $600 for the second. Now we're 15 months after my first Titan purchase, and 10 months after my second Titan purchase, and Nvidia is offering the same performance for nearly double what I paid a long time ago. I think my Titans will easily be the longest lasting GPUs I will ever own, and no longer looking like such a bad decision or waste of money like it did at the time of Titan.

Titan early adopters = :awe:

I think the resale value of my Titans has actually gone up slightly over the past few months.

 

[3DVagabond]

No major site reviews make me think it's possible NVidia put a no review ban on TitanZ....Review it and no more free samples

The technical press and the companies like nVidia, AMD, etc. have a symbiotic relationship. While the press might want us to think otherwise and blame it on the big-bad corporation, if something like that were to happen (Or should I say, when something like this happens?) it would be collusion or "selling out" rather than extortion. The press are doing us a disservice by not reviewing it. It could be done if they wanted to. Quite a number of sites had no issues getting retail samples of Hawaii cards, all under the guise of getting to the truth. The utter silence on Titan-Z is inexcusable and a complete failure to us by the press. All because they don't want to embarrass nVidia. /rant

 

[3DVagabond]

Man, Why Nvidia don't offer WC for an extra $100 to the consumer??

$100? They charge $200 for a 27MHz O/C.

 

[Grooveriding]

Review sites could likely ask AIBs for a loaner sample. It is disappointing they haven't. It's clear the card is a failure, not sure why review sites are loathe to have to point it out.

I could understand some biased sites avoiding it, but nothing from AT or [H] etc. is unfortunate.

 

[parvadomus]

Review sites could likely ask AIBs for a loaner sample. It is disappointing they haven't. It's clear the card is a failure, not sure why review sites are loathe to have to point it out.

I could understand some biased sites avoiding it, but nothing from AT or [H] etc. is unfortunate.

It looks like it does not win even in performance/watt > FailZ review :awe:

 

[Silverforce11]

It looks like it does not win even in performance/watt > FailZ review :awe:

Thats pretty bad, nearly the same power use as the R295x2 but worse performance.

http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/541...ll-prestaties-hardwareinfo-gpu-prestatiescore

I suspect its running too hot causing extra leakage, for the power consumption to be that high (total system power, so compare the performance in that test, single card, 780ti spanks R290X). SLI 780ti aren't that close to R295x2 power use on stock settings.

Overall, nice review, lots of games and other tests.

 

[el etro]

$100? They charge $200 for a 27MHz O/C.

What a big OC! :biggrin:

 

[3DVagabond]

What a big OC! :biggrin:

Seriously, you can buy a 270X for what they charge to tweak the clocks 27MHz. If I had been waiting for this card with the intention of buying one I'd be really PO'd by the screw job. As it is I can only laugh because some people are still actually trying to justify it.

 

[Ryan Smith]

No major site reviews make me think it's possible NVidia put a no review ban on TitanZ....Review it and no more free samples

While I know how much you guys like your conspiracy theories, that's sadly not the case. The reason is far more mundane: NVIDIA doesn't see a need to sample these cards.

These are extremely low volume parts that at least officially NVIDIA is primarily targeting towards prosumer level compute users (the Titan bread & butter). And for the gamers who will buy Titan Z, well they'd buy it anyhow or a pair of Titan Blacks, etc. NVIDIA has enough market and mind share that the buttons they need to push for a product like Titan Z are with CUDA users and boutique system builders, not hardware reviewers.

Our advice is pretty simple: if you like AMD, go with the R9 295X2. If you are ambivalent about the vendor then you probably still want to go with the 295X2 for budget and performance reasons. If you like NVIDIA then the Titan Z is the only game in town, other than doubling up on Titan Black or 780 Ti.

As far as gaming is concerned I don't think anyone is under the perception that Titan Z is competitive on a price/performance basis. You buy it for NVIDIA's reputation and ecosystem, especially as G-Sync monitors finally hit the market.