Titan with full # of shader cores

[RussianSensation]

And yet you praised AMD cards in the past. Ironic none of them can play these games better than Titan.

They can't but they cost $410 and they make $ on the side. The Titan costs $1000, makes nothing in btc, and still can't play any of the games HD7970Ghz can't play either. Getting destroyed in Crysis 3 Metro 2033, Witcher 2 with SSAA for example. You are moving from 20 fps to 30 fps...console level avg with very low mins.

Titan is - and i know you like overclocking - 50% faster than a 7970GHz when people overclock both. That is a generation leap over AMD.

Yes, but look at the scores I linked at 2560x1600. The Titan falls apart completely. When HD7970 OC is getting 19-23 fps, the Titan is chugging at 28-35 fps. Both cards are still too slow. You need 2 Titans for those titles, which is $2k. In older titles cards like GTX680 and HD7970GE are fast enough. The Titan is in no man's land unless you get at least 2.

Let me explain it to you this way. The Titan OC may be 50% faster than HD7970GE OC but 2560x1600 is 98% more pixels than 1080P for the card to handle. In other words, a Titan OC at 2560x1600 is running games way slower than HD7970 / GTX680 OC at 1080P. If someone finds HD7970OC/680OC satisfactory for 1080P, to get similar frames, you would need to get 2 Titans if you go above 1080P or you suffer a huge performance penalty in all these modern titles.

For people who bought HD7970/680 OC for 2560x1440/1600, getting low FPS is acceptable since they didn't pay $1K. If you drop in a Titan in a 2560x1600 system and you are still chugging at 32-35 fps, after paying $1K, that's a major facepalm since the whole point of upgrading was to get way better playability than HD7970OC/680OC could deliver. :hmm:

You want more proof that a single Titan is a waste of time above 1080P/1200P for most HD7970GE OC/680OC owners?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/graphics/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan/zfulltable.png

Metro 2033
7970GE = 24
Titan = 28
Titan OC = 36

Sniper Elite V2
7970GE = 20
Titan = 21
Titan OC = 29

Sleeping Dogs
7970GE = 31
Titan = 31
Titan OC = 39

Hitman
7970GE = 18
Titan = 24
Titan OC = 30

Crysis 3
7970GE = 22
Titan = 27
Titan OC = 32

Tomb Raider
7970GE = 25
Titan = 31
Titan OC = 38

If you feel like dropping $1000 for a Titan to play at 29-38 fps at 2560x1440 with AA, knock yourself out. For a real tangible upgrade, HD7970GE/680 owners would want a card that can go to 50-60 fps at that rez, which is 2x Titans. Going from low 20s to low 30s is a 50% increase in performance but it's still crap.

This is why there are people in 2 camps now: those with 2-3 Titans (awesome!) or those who are waiting for Maxwell/20nm GPUs because Titan is too slow and too expensive at the same time for a real playability upgrade.

And if you looked at how NV marketed the Titan, they emphasized the SLI component more than any other time because where Titan sits in performance, going Titan SLI/Tri-SLI is what makes sense. Buying a single Titan for 2560x1600 is a huge downgrade for 7970GE/680 owners sitting on 1080P/1200P monitors and at the same time it's barely an upgrade in real-world playability despite a 40-50% advantage because you are going from low 20s to low 30s in those key demanding games.

 

[sontin]

They can't but they cost $410 and they make $ on the side. The Titan costs $1000, makes nothing in btc, and still can't play any of the games HD7970Ghz can't play either. Getting destroyed in Crysis 3 Metro 2033, Witcher 2 with SSAA for example. You are moving from 20 fps to 30 fps...console level avg with very low mins.

So, a 50% difference is nothing today? Funny that's the advantage a 7970 has over the 6970 even with 28nm instead of 40nm. :awe:

That makes AMD whole new line up since 2012 useless because it is not allowing people to play all these "demanding" games?!

...

 

[willomz]

The Titan is in no man's land unless you get at least 2.

That's a totally ridiculous thing to say, certain settings on certain games may be in no man's land, but that's true of any video card ever.

This is why Nvidia have launched the GeForce Experience so you can select appropriate settings that give the best balance of visuals and playability.

 

[RussianSensation]

That makes AMD whole new line up since 2012 useless because it is not allowing people to play all these "demanding" games?!
...

It's not useless because GTX680/7970GE and below target 1200P and lower. Those are not the cards you buy for 1600P for the latest titles. 12-15 months ago, we may have been recommending them to some people jumping to say 27 inch 2560x1600 because games like Tomb Raider and C3 weren't out yet. Also, some people hate SLI/CF which is why those are the only options for them above 1200P. Now that more and more demanding games are coming out, those cards are better suitable for 1080P/1200P. Ok so what happens if you increase pixel count 98% from 1080P? You need a GPU way faster than the Titan if you intend to increase your resolution and maintain similar frames. Looking at modern titles at 2560x1440 AA maxed out, the Titan is still not that fast. We need Maxwell/20nm GPUs with 75-80% more performance of HD7970GE, or get 2+ Titans.

So what's the point of the Titan? For 1080P/1200P owners, it hardly makes sense and for 1600P and above owners, it's too slow. You need 2-3 for those types of users which is what we see on the forums. It makes total sense even based on what people are buying unless you really feel like spending $1000 to move from 22 fps to 34 fps.

That's a totally ridiculous thing to say, certain settings on certain games may be in no man's land, but that's true of any video card ever.

I showed concrete evidence from 2 reviews (Xbitlabs & GameGPU) that support my point of view. The Titan is not fast enough for modern/most demanding GPU titles at high rez, and neither is it fast enough for multi-monitor gaming. You need 2+. If you need to turn settings down on a $1000 GPU, how do you feel about that? In that case, you can turn down settings on a $300-400 GPU too. I am pretty sure people who buy a $1000 GPU aren't going to be happy turning down settings. It's not the same as buying a $300-400 one.

Also, it's common sense that moving from 1080P to 1600P nearly doubles the # of pixels and yet Titan is just 35% faster on average at that resolution over 7970GE, maybe 50% when max OC. 35% or even 50% over HD7970GE is nothing when 7970GE is getting 18-22 fps. You end up spending $1K and your playability suffers if you go from 7970GE OC / 680 OC @ 1080P to Titan OC @ 1600P or you accept moving from low 20s to low 30s for $1000 like the benches I linked from 2 different sites!! Fun.

The irony is for $1K, the Titan @ 1600P is a major downgrade in performance from HD7970GE / 680 @ 1080P/1200P, unless you buy 2 the minute you leave 1080P/1200P. Another case can be made for a single Titan if you want 60 fps at 1080P. Sure. I can't see many people who spend $1000 on GPUs running 1080P/1200P though. It's no wonder many GTX680 OC / 7970 OC owners sitting on 2560x1440/1600 monitors aren't biting on a single Titan. They see the benchmarks and even though 35-50% sounds nice on paper, when you look at actual FPS, the playability is still not good enough.

This all goes back to why the Titan is an awfully overpriced card. A lot of people would accept the tradeoff of a card that's blazing fast at 1080P/1200P but not fast enough at 1600P for $400-500 but for $1000? You can even see on our boards people with Titans are generally running 2+.

 

[dangerman1337]

The Titan as it is just overpriced and feels in limbo, I don't mind the concept but it feels like in a werid state where its the expensive ub3r high-end card but it cannot play everything smoothly at 2560x1440 or 1920x1080 (Crysis 3 anyone?) at mostly max settings and will. Since the next gen consoles (yes rumors say that they seem week but they have direct to metal coding which can get alot of peformance out) are coming this fall and will probably make the Titan look a bad buy in 2 years where it looks extremely overpriced (unless Nvidia decides to make the GM104/GTX880 or whatever they have plans for maxwell 600-800USD) where the ub3r high end edge appeal will be gone by then.

If it was released for 800USD and a option for 700USD for a 3GB it would be fine with maybe a Ultra at 1000USD. It's not envy I've got I'm more worried about Nvidia deciding to maybe jack up the GM104/GTX880 to say 600-800 USD and have say the Maxwell Titan be 1200USD.

 

[sontin]

It's not useless because GTX680/7970GE and below target 1200P and lower.

So now a GTX680 and a 7970GE target <=1200p?
Funny, i guess i will find many postings of you which show that you will use a higher resolution to show how much better AMD cards are.

So what's the point of the Titan? For 1080P/1200P owners, it hardly makes sense and for 1600P and above owners, it's too slow. You need 2-3 for those types of users which is what we see on the forums. It makes total sense even based on what people are buying unless you really feel like spending $1000 to move from 22 fps to 34 fps.

Here, Crysis 3 with 4xMSAA in 1080:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan/17/

Nether the GTX680 nor the 7970GHz are able to get more than 30fps. Titan - with a Temp target of 80°C - is 31%faster. Without the temp target it would be around 50%.

That's the reason why people buy Titan. To play all of these games with the highest frames. That's the reason why we need competition with hardware and not game bundles. We want faster or cheaper hardware. And not slow hardware with game bundles...

 

[willomz]

A lot of this depends upon personal feelings about what is playable.

Are the 680/7970 playable here? Maybe, depends on personal preference, the Titan is playable for sure.

Or if you are happy with minimums in the mid 30s then Titan will allow you to max out games you can't max out with a 680/7970.

Either way there are tangible benefits to a Titan playing at 1600p. Even if those benefits do come at a large financial cost.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Yes, but look at the scores I linked at 2560x1600. The Titan falls apart completely. When HD7970 OC is getting 19-23 fps, the Titan is chugging at 28-35 fps. Both cards are still too slow. You need 2 Titans for those titles, which is $2k. In older titles cards like GTX680 and HD7970GE are fast enough. The Titan is in no man's land unless you get at least 2.

This is complete nonsense. You're cherrypicking here and you know it. x% performance advantage is x%, regardless of resolution. There are graphics settings you can adjust, you know?
You seem to think 2-3 Titans make sense when you can just as well buy 2-3 680 4GB or 7970 (CF woes aside for a minute). Titan is overpriced, I think we all agree here - but that applies to any configuration, 1-4 cards. Your arguments don't make sense.

 

[RussianSensation]

So now a GTX680 and a 7970GE target <=1200p?
Funny, i guess i will find many postings of you which show that you will use a higher resolution to show how much better AMD cards are.

You cannot read, can you?

I already said 12-15 months ago there was no single card above HD7970/680. For that reason people who were absolutely against SLI/CF had to choose between 2 slow cards for 2560x1440/1600. In that case, the 7970 OC was the better option over 680. Despite that, most of us still suggested that people consider GTX670/7950, etc. and SLI/CF with a 2nd one later since HD7970/680 on their own wouldn't last long at that rez once future games came out. If you actually spent the time reading the upgrading advice for high-rez monitor users carefully, this would not be news to you.

It was never about showing AMD cards being better than NV cards at high rez. That was done for 2 reasons: (1) for people who refused to get 2 cards and insisted on the faster card at high rez (2) for people who wanted to futureproof at 1080P. Since we don't know the demands of future games, looking at 1 rez above shows us what happens to a card when it's put under 2x the stress, as well as stresses its VRAM/memory bandwidth requirements. HD7970 came on top again.

Nether the GTX680 nor the 7970GHz are able to get more than 30fps. Titan - with a Temp target of 80°C - is 31%faster. Without the temp target it would be around 50%.

Ya, what's your point? A stock Titan gets 42.5 fps at 1080P when it boosts to 980-990mhz already! At 1600P, Crysis 3 would mop the floor with it. Who is spending $1000 on a Titan to max out 1-2 games at 1080P?

You keep running in circles cherry-picking a bench for 1080P missing the entire point I keep making.

Here is AT's latest review of triple Titans:

"Overall anything short of 5760 with 4x MSAA fails to make a 3rd Titan worthwhile. On the other hand, you do need at least 2 Titans to handle MSAA even at 2560," ~ April 23rd AT review

So everything I said has just been confirmed by a professional review. Titan is in no man's land. Talking about how it's "45% faster" in multi-monitor gaming over HD7970GE is meaningless because it's a total slideshow. At 1600P with MSAA, it's also way too slow and a huge downgrade from HD7970GE OC / 680 OC at 1080P/1200P. Again, in no man's land.

If you want 1080P gaming, there are very few games where you'd actually want the Titan because HD7970GE/680 are blasting through mostly everything. The minute you go to 1440/1600P, you need 2 Titans. The minute you go to triple monitors, you need 3 Titans. Spending $1000 for 1080P just to max out a couple games is wasteful for most of us. Spending $2000-3000 for 2-3 Titans is a lot of $. Future-proofing with the Titan is also a waste of time since 20nm GPUs will be way cheaper and faster and next gen games aren't coming out until PS4/Xbox 720 hit. So why buy the Titan now? --> Those who can get 2-3, or those who run semi-pro apps. For mostly everyone else, the card makes no sense.

That leaves 1080P users. Who is spending $1000 on a single GPU for a crappy TN 1080P monitor? Not many. Wow, you found a tiny customer base.

That's the reason why we need competition with hardware and not game bundles. We want faster or cheaper hardware. And not slow hardware with game bundles...

Game bundles is competition too. I guess you forgot Mafia 2, Cryostasis, Just Cause 2, Metro 2033 with GTX400 cards? ^_^

With NV you now get 35% faster hardware for 2.4x the price increase. Can you think of a card with worse price performance in the history of GPUs?

If people keep buying, NV will establish a new price level at $1000 after successfully selling GTX690/Titan. At this point it sounds like wishful thinking that NV will again sell a 510-550mm2 $500-650 flagship Maxwell.

GTX580 $500 --> GTX680 = +35-40% faster for $0 premium
HD6970 $370 --> HD7970 $550 = +45-50% faster for a 49% price increase but back to ATI/NV's historical levels

HD7970 GE $410 --> Titan $1000 = +35% faster for 2.4x the price increase! :hmm:

You can have competition but it looks like NV and AMD are going to be raising prices for flagship GPUs. NV started it with 690 and continued with the Titan. Slowly the flagship GPU is moving from $500 to $1000. Get ready. Let's hope AMD doesn't follow this path and prices HD8970 at $700-800, otherwise the PC GPU landscape will have permanently changed.

1080P - Single Titan is mostly overkill unless you need 60 fps mins. There are not enough games at this rez that warrant a $1000 GPU upgrade from HD7970GE/680. Games with very serious performance hit like DOF (Metro 2033) or SSAA (like Witcher 2) smash the Titan even at 1080P anyway or it's barely faster than 7970GE. Once more next gen games come out and start to really stress 7970GE/680 at this rez, we'll be on 20nm GPUs.

1440/1600P - Single Titan is too slow with MSAA - need 2
Triple monitor 1080P - Need 2 Titans
Triple monitor 1440/1600P - Need at least 3-4 Titans

 

[boxleitnerb]

You are the one who is cherrypicking.
First, no one in their right mind would upgrade from a 680 or 7970 to Titan.
Second, a 30-35% performance benefit is a benefit, you cannot just claim it's bad or irrelevant with your skewed resolution theory. You could apply that logic to almost any card at any given time. And graphics details and AA can be adjusted...

As I said - we all know that Titan is overpriced. But you seem to get off badmouthing it further and further by spewing nonsensical theories.

 

[wand3r3r]

You are the one who is cherrypicking.
First, no one in their right mind would upgrade from a 680 or 7970 to Titan.
Second, a 30-35% performance benefit is a benefit, you cannot just claim it's bad or irrelevant with your skewed resolution theory. You could apply that logic to almost any card at any given time. And graphics details and AA can be adjusted...

As I said - we all know that Titan is overpriced. But you seem to get off badmouthing it further and further by spewing nonsensical theories.

Sorry but you are clearly mistaken with that point.

If somebody needs the absolute best they would have already had SLI or Crossfire and there was no other option than those cards (or 690's but that's just 680 SLI).

Somebody blowing $2-4k on titans obviously blew $1k+ on 7970s or 680s already. It's not like they just "sat out" a generation if they are that concerned with gaming.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Well, I did. From 580 SLI to Titan SLI.
My point is that RS brought this scenario up only because he could show his "downgrade" theory with it. There are other possibilities as well as my own example shows. I certainly didn't downgrade anything.

 

[sontin]

I already said 12-15 months ago there was no single card above HD7970/680. For that reason people who were absolutely against SLI/CF had to choose between 2 slow cards for 2560x1440/1600. In that case, the 7970 OC was the better option over 680.

Or a GTX680 OC was a better option than a 7970, i guess.
But what has this to do with Titan? Titan w/o temp target is 37% faster than a 7970GHz. That is more than the 7970 was over the GTX580.

Despite that, most of us still suggested that people consider GTX670/7950, etc. and SLI/CF with a 2nd one later since HD7970/680 on their own wouldn't last long at that rez once future games came out. If you actually spent the time reading the upgrading advice for high-rez monitor users carefully, this would not be news to you.

You could buy two GTX570 with 2,25GB or two 6970 for a little bit more than one 7970 last year. Another reason why AMD's cards are useless.

It was never about showing AMD cards being better than NV cards at high rez. That was done for 2 reasons: (1) for people who refused to get 2 cards and insisted on the faster card at high rez (2) for people who wanted to futureproof at 1080P.

Not one of the reasons makes sense. You know claiming that a 50% lead is no "real" advantage, yet a <10% would be?
And a GTX680 is a much better deal than a 7970 for 1080p.

Since we don't know the demands of future games, looking at 1 rez above shows us what happens to a card when it's put under 2x the stress, as well as stresses its VRAM/memory bandwidth requirements. HD7970 came on top again.

Only if you have no clue about the architecture. The GTX680 is faster in 1080p in Farcry 3, Crysis 3, Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinity but was only as fast as in 1440p/1600p last year.

Ya, what's your point? A stock Titan gets 42.5 fps at 1080P when it boosts to 980-990mhz already!

Nope. That is with a clock around of the Boost clock.

If you want 1080P gaming, there are very few games where you'd actually want the Titan because HD7970GE/680 are blasting through mostly everything. The minute you go to 1440/1600P, you need 2 Titans. The minute you go to triple monitors, you need 3 Titans. Spending $1000 for 1080P just to max out a couple games is wasteful for most of us. Spending $2000-3000 for 2-3 Titans is a lot of $. Future-proofing with the Titan is also a waste of time since 20nm GPUs will be way cheaper and faster and next gen games aren't coming out until PS4/Xbox 720 hit. So why buy the Titan now? --> Those who can get 2-3, or those who run semi-pro apps. For mostly everyone else, the card makes no sense.

Really... Titan is 50% faster than a GTX680 without temp target.
Or in your world: I can play Crysis 3 with 60fps instead of 40 fps.
Fun fact: The 7970 is only 18% faster than the GTX580 in Crysis 3, Titan with temp target @ 80°C is 48% faster than the 7970:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/asus-geforce-gtx-670-directcu-mini-im-test/4/

 

[willomz]

Here is AT's latest review of triple Titans:

"Overall anything short of 5760 with 4x MSAA fails to make a 3rd Titan worthwhile. On the other hand, you do need at least 2 Titans to handle MSAA even at 2560," ~ April 23rd AT review

So everything I said has just been confirmed by a professional review. Titan is in no man's land. Talking about how it's "45% faster" in multi-monitor gaming over HD7970GE is meaningless because it's a total slideshow. At 1600P with MSAA, it's also way too slow and a huge downgrade from HD7970GE OC / 680 OC at 1080P/1200P. Again, in no man's land.

Hang on a sec, the only game where 1600p isn't doable is sleeping dogs and that sounds like SSAA rather than MSAA.

I also find it suspicious that scaling in Hitman is over 100% from adding a second Titan. How would that work?

 

[railven]

Well, I did. From 580 SLI to Titan SLI.
My point is that RS brought this scenario up only because he could show his "downgrade" theory with it. There are other possibilities as well as my own example shows. I certainly didn't downgrade anything.

I can show you someone who upgraded from 680 SLI to Titan SLI and he games on a 1080P TV.

RS makes very valid points. I don't even think he is saying anything positive about AMD, just that if people are really buying Titans for 1080P, they have really big wallets and nVidia loves them.

 

[boxleitnerb]

I can show you someone who upgraded from 680 SLI to Titan SLI and he games on a 1080P TV.

RS makes very valid points. I don't even think he is saying anything positive about AMD, just that if people are really buying Titans for 1080P, they have really big wallets and nVidia loves them.

So? For the majority, this upgrade is useless. Just because a couple of people do it doesn't mean it's the norm.

And no, his points are not valid. He speaks about future proofing in case of the 7970 (GE) but when someone buys Titan for the same reasons, it suddenly doesn't count? He tries to make the performance improvements of Titan irrelevant any way he can. And remember - he does that before he talks about price.

 

[wand3r3r]

So? For the majority, this upgrade is useless. Just because a couple of people do it doesn't mean it's the norm.

And no, his points are not valid. He speaks about future proofing in case of the 7970 (GE) but when someone buys Titan for the same reasons, it suddenly doesn't count? He tries to make the performance improvements of Titan irrelevant any way he can. And remember - he does that before he talks about price.

I would imagine you are the minority. Who sits on last generation cards and then finds $2k under the couch to suddenly splurge when the next card is priced nearly double. /opinion

It's all about price. /obvious

Of course the titans a decent card, it's just so absurdly priced that it's ridiculous to buy unless you are rich, game a lot and value it more than anything else.

 

[railven]

So? For the majority, this upgrade is useless. Just because a couple of people do it doesn't mean it's the norm.

A few? Dude, I was just referring to one extreme example, but I can show you where the norm is upgrading from a 680 to a Titan.

And no, his points are not valid. He speaks about future proofing in case of the 7970 (GE) but when someone buys Titan for the same reasons, it suddenly doesn't count? He tries to make the performance improvements of Titan irrelevant any way he can. And remember - he does that before he talks about price.

He's using the 680 and 7970 GE in the same position when he is arguing the resolutions. Why people ignore the 680 and only focus on the 7970 to make his points one sided is on them.

 

[lavaheadache]

*IF* this fully enabled part were to come out soon it would be cool if EVGA would allow for a step up to it coming from my neutered card.

 

[Lepton87]

And yet you praised AMD cards in the past. Ironic none of them can play these games better than Titan.

Titan is - and i know you like overclocking - 50% faster than a 7970GHz when people overclock both. That is a generation leap over AMD.

Not true. I can only get maybe 10% increase in frame-rates after Overclocking my Titan. Even if you don't OC 7970GE at all Titan still won't be 50% faster. I admit it was an idiotic purchase on my part. I'm definitely not going to buy a Titan Ultra even if it replaces the current Titan at 1000$ price point. I'm never going to drop that kind of money on a computer part, 1000$(actually 1300$ in my country) and the card rattles! I wanted a quiet card and I got a rattlesnake. For that price Quality Control should be top-notch and it is atrocious.

 

[SirPauly]

With NV you now get 35% faster hardware for 2.4x the price increase. Can you think of a card with worse price performance in the history of GPUs?

Imho,

I think the 8800 Ultra did based on performance increase and right up there -- both Ultra and Titan sku's had arguably competitive advantages.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2007/test-nvidia-geforce-8800-ultra/24/

Titan is just another example of the premiums with 28nm and about companies desiring them when they have competitive advantages or windows of opportunities.

If they priced the Titan sku cheaper they may not of been able to meet demand and cannibalize sales from the other Kepler derivatives and protecting current and future margins. I think the Titan sku offers very poor price performance and vote with my wallet, but welcome the choice based on it raises the technology bar and brings more choice to the gamer that demands the very best and desires the latest-and-greatest.

It's not just about competing with AMD but competing with your own products, too.

 

[wand3r3r]

A few? Dude, I was just referring to one extreme example, but I can show you where the norm is upgrading from a 680 to a Titan.



He's using the 680 and 7970 GE in the same position when he is arguing the resolutions. Why people ignore the 680 and only focus on the 7970 to make his points one sided is on them.

lol

They didn't even notice that it's not about AMD...

 

[SirPauly]

I would imagine you are the minority. Who sits on last generation cards and then finds $2k under the couch to suddenly splurge when the next card is priced nearly double. /opinion

It's all about price. /obvious

Of course the titans a decent card, it's just so absurdly priced that it's ridiculous to buy unless you are rich, game a lot and value it more than anything else.

I feel the same way as I did with AMD raising prices by 50 percent based on their competitive advantage or window of opportunity as I do with Titan raising prices and arguable starting a more expensive sector with their competitive advantage or window of opportunity.

As a gamer moving to substantial and significant nodes and arches were so exciting in the past -- new features -- new abilities but the idea of redefined price/performance was the most exciting -- settings that were out of reach are now viable but the increases in pricing made 28nm feel more evolutionary and incremental -- takes some of the past excitement away to me.

 

[Elfear]

And yet you praised AMD cards in the past. Ironic none of them can play these games better than Titan.

Titan is - and i know you like overclocking - 50% faster than a 7970GHz when people overclock both. That is a generation leap over AMD.

You've stated this before and it still doesn't make sense. 1200Mhz isn't a huge feat for a 7970 (my XFX Core did 1225Mhz on air and some brands have seen 1300Mhz on air) which would be a 14% OC. Most Titan's were boosting to ~1000Mhz in reviews, so you're saying a reasonable OC to expect for a Titan is 1300Mhz unthrottled?

 

[boxleitnerb]

A few? Dude, I was just referring to one extreme example, but I can show you where the norm is upgrading from a 680 to a Titan.

He's using the 680 and 7970 GE in the same position when he is arguing the resolutions. Why people ignore the 680 and only focus on the 7970 to make his points one sided is on them.

Then people have too much money. In my case the 680s were too little of an improvement and I didn't want AMD for several reasons that are offtopic. So I had only two choices:
Wait or buy. I bought

The simple fact of the matter is: Titan gives you about 50% over the 680 and 30% over the 7970 GE. And that is good. There is no way to spin it into something bad. EOD.