Throckmorton
Lifer
Because getting an air hose into a tire is not easy. The air has to go through the axle somehow. I'm not even sure how Hummers do it, but it's not cheap. Pressure monitoring is easy though.
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Because getting an air hose into a tire is not easy. The air has to go through the axle somehow. I'm not even sure how Hummers do it, but it's not cheap. Pressure monitoring is easy though.
shira
Diamond Member
It took me a lifetime, and then a few moments caressing the keyboard.
Look, YOU made the conditional statement, "if tire pressure = centerpiece . . . then it explains . . . ." And then YOU told us you never intended your statement to imply that tire pressure was a BHO centerpiece. That is, you're telling us the premise of your conditional is false.
So I have several choices: I can assume you've realized BHO is clueful (how do you like my new word?) on energy OR I can assume you're clueless yourself OR I can assume your earlier post was a nullity - a post filled with sound and fury, signifying nothing.
But of course, I'm actually a troll. So you can run away and hide and disavow any responsibility for your previous statement.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
I am the only one with a real energy policy.
The Republicans have been clearly shown to be in bed with our enemies.
The Democrats have clearly been shown to be in bed with our enemies.
Dems would be lesser of the two evils but they are both still evil.
I would expect him to defend it, that wasnt the point. The point was idotekniQues suggested that it was something he only said once, which is nowhere near being true.
As far as it being a good idea, I agree. I generally dont like to drive around with flat tires, but it doesn't bring down gas prices.
idiotekniQues
Platinum Member
ok he said it more than once. regardless, the context was always the same, one of the small things we can do individually, not as a centerpiece of his energy plan like the repubs tried to paint it.
secondly, all significant reduction of demand will assist in bringing down prices, amongst other things.
secondly, all significant reduction of demand will assist in bringing down prices, amongst other things.
You do realize that the entire point of his tire pressure comment was to show how trivial the whole drilling thing was, right? We could do just as much if not more by filling our tires better then with the whole huge drilling deal.
So, I guess he wouldn't say anything about it because you idling your car like an idiot doesn't really apply to the point he was trying to make.
That was an amazingly stupid comment. Considering how bad your posts normally are, that's saying a lot. Obama telling people that properly maintaining their cars will save them money on gas is a smart, reasonable, and (for once in politics) totally true statement. It had nothing to do with cutting back on driving or anything like that.
The fact that people are trying to attack him for saying something they themselves know to be true is really pathetic.
Bowfinger
Lifer
The immediate problem with expanded drilling is it does essentially nothing to relieve high prices today. It will be several years at a minimum before the new oil supplies reach the market.
The mid-term problem with expanded drilling is it will be a drop in the bucket. The amount of additional oil it will eventually add to our oil supply would help, but only to about the same extent as simple conservation measures like properly-inflated tires and well-tuned engines. That was Obama's point. Moreover, conservation measures can begin helping immediately, unlike expanded drilling.
The long-term problem with expanding drilling is it encourages our addiction to oil. That is a dead-end. Oil is a finite resource. Oil prices will continue their painful rise as demand increases and supplies inevitably start decreasing. The only long-term solution is for the United States to move away from oil as aggressively as it can. Expanded drilling is a feel-good gimmick that serves only to distract Americans from committing to actions that really matter, expensive measures like a major investment in alternative energy, hard measures like changing our wasteful lifestyles ... and simple conservation measures like tire pressure and tune-ups.
Our need for oil is never going to go away. There are too many non-energy needs that will be far tougher to replace. As oil supplies dwindle over the next century, those other uses for oil will become far more pressing than gasoline. When that day comes and oil is $10K a barrel, wouldn't it be nice to have untapped stockpiles right off of our coast? Let's not squander them today just so people can get two or three more years out of their SUVs.
brandonbull
Diamond Member
That he is a moron??
I don't know which part makes me feel more worried about he future of the US; the one where people can't locate Iraq on a map or the morons who think the speed at which they drive doesn't affect the mpg of their vehicle?
On my drive home from work, I sometimes tune Hannity in and it makes my blood pressure rise more than the slow traffic. Obama suggested that people be a little more conservative on the thermostat settings for their homes and be a little more diligent about car maintenance and Hannity laughs at that. The thing that makes me the maddest are the millions of sheepole that refuse to conserve energy because Hannity tells them that drilling more oil is the way and not conservation.
I'm sorry America, but it's time to start "tightening the belt" on this energy issue. It sucks but it's going to be pay now or pay later. I wish I could eat taco bell at 2am all the time, but as I've gotten older my body tends to retain that extra few tacos around the waist line. My days of eating everything I wanted and not getting fat are long gone and so is America's days of using all the oil we wanted and not running out.
Throckmorton
Lifer
No one is mesmerized by a candidate preaching common sense, but we DO recognize common sense when we see it, which Republicans apparently don't. Starting more drilling now is counterproductive and will be a placebo for a decade, not a solution. The reason we have big reserves is so we have them when oil is worth its weight in gold, not so we can use them up so people can spend 5% less on gas and be fooled into buying more Chevy Suburbans
Bowfinger
Lifer
I'm not mesmerized by it either, but I understand the point he was making, as well as the way it is being dishonestly twisted by McCain. The real problem is sheep like you who are mesmerized by such vacuous slime and by gimmicks like expanded drilling instead of seeking serious, realistic solutions to the challenges in front of us.
Likewise, get off of the planet you [sic] using up valuable oxygen.
Remarkable how the rightwing slips into raving denial when their underlying assumptions are questioned, not to mention the belief that derision and insults somehow trump actual reason...
Part of what's happening is due to the very success of the global economy so touted by american business and their dogmatic free market admirers, part of it is due to our abuse of our position as the world's reserve currency, and part of it is due to old-fashioned greed and stubborness... Having 25% of world consumption and 3% of reserves isn't sustainable unless we're exporting huge quantities of something the rest of the world wants...
This whole notion that we can achieve that magical short term touchstone of the Right, "Energy Independence", is extremely foolish, even if we slash consumption tremendously. Well, unless we end up with fuel prices so high that people still making whopper payments on that giant turbo diesel 4X4 truck won't be able to afford moving it out of the driveway...
An up and coming family in India, for example, doesn't drive the car everywhere, every day, every chance they get- they have a 100mpg scooter for that, they get tremendously more utility from a gallon of fuel than we do, so they'll pay a high price, willingly. Even if they get 1/5 the wages, they get 10X the usefulness from their purchase, so they'll pay. Their population is also enormous. All this is the same for China and other emerging countries.
And they'll pay with balance of payment deficit dollars, too- imagine that.
They'll get even more of our jobs as time goes on, as american business rushes to cash in on cheap foreign labor. What we've been exporting to get those goods has been liquidity, dollars, and, uhh, in case nobody noticed, international demand for them has been flagging, held up in no small way by the availability of conveniently provided US govt securities...
Our own policy of greed is really setting us up for a fall... If we keep going the way we are, our currency will become worthless, and if we quit providing investment avenues for the glut of dollars already out there, our currency will become worthless, too... A perfect storm of sorts. Which won't matter to our financial elite, since their wealth is spread worldwide... hell, having the dollar go south is just another opportunity... lose a few hundred million over here, make even more over there... watching as their ardent admirers take the bait and the bone once again has to be the icing on the cake...
Part of what's happening is due to the very success of the global economy so touted by american business and their dogmatic free market admirers, part of it is due to our abuse of our position as the world's reserve currency, and part of it is due to old-fashioned greed and stubborness... Having 25% of world consumption and 3% of reserves isn't sustainable unless we're exporting huge quantities of something the rest of the world wants...
This whole notion that we can achieve that magical short term touchstone of the Right, "Energy Independence", is extremely foolish, even if we slash consumption tremendously. Well, unless we end up with fuel prices so high that people still making whopper payments on that giant turbo diesel 4X4 truck won't be able to afford moving it out of the driveway...
An up and coming family in India, for example, doesn't drive the car everywhere, every day, every chance they get- they have a 100mpg scooter for that, they get tremendously more utility from a gallon of fuel than we do, so they'll pay a high price, willingly. Even if they get 1/5 the wages, they get 10X the usefulness from their purchase, so they'll pay. Their population is also enormous. All this is the same for China and other emerging countries.
And they'll pay with balance of payment deficit dollars, too- imagine that.
They'll get even more of our jobs as time goes on, as american business rushes to cash in on cheap foreign labor. What we've been exporting to get those goods has been liquidity, dollars, and, uhh, in case nobody noticed, international demand for them has been flagging, held up in no small way by the availability of conveniently provided US govt securities...
Our own policy of greed is really setting us up for a fall... If we keep going the way we are, our currency will become worthless, and if we quit providing investment avenues for the glut of dollars already out there, our currency will become worthless, too... A perfect storm of sorts. Which won't matter to our financial elite, since their wealth is spread worldwide... hell, having the dollar go south is just another opportunity... lose a few hundred million over here, make even more over there... watching as their ardent admirers take the bait and the bone once again has to be the icing on the cake...
Its amazingly stupid to point out how amazingly stupid Obama's ideas are for solving the energy crisis. Everyone already knows that properly maintaining their cars help save on fuel economy. However, most of us ALREADY DO THAT, thus its not really a solution to the current situation! Try to keep up.
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