Sure it has. Where are you going to 'expand the road infrastructure' to? There's no more room for roads. Do you realize how many people work in downtown New York and Boston? Do you have any idea how many cars that would be? Simply impossible. Not only is mass transit highly effective in those areas, it really doesn't matter how effective it is because more/expanded roads are simply not an option.
Sure it has. Where are you going to 'expand the road infrastructure' to? There's no more room for roads. Do you realize how many people work in downtown New York and Boston? Do you have any idea how many cars that would be? Simply impossible. Not only is mass transit highly effective in those areas, it really doesn't matter how effective it is because more/expanded roads are simply not an option.
Well that response wasnt well written. I wasnt implying it was a centerpiece. It was meant more as a question, not as a statement.
Google for "off shore drilling 10 years" and you will see that it will take 10 - 15 years to see any benefit from new off shore drilling. It along, with alternative energy development programs, are probably part of the long term solution and in the benefit of U. S. national security.
Decreasing demand (probably inflated tires, car tuneups, increased mpg standards, etc.) are things that can have a marginal effect right now and are not expensive to implement.
Tony Crescenzi:
"Since most expect Obama to win, the prospect of him winning is working in favor of the dollar. An added boost is the notion that I have spoken about a number of times of Obama taking actions that put downward pressure on energy prices." http://www.cnbc.com/id/26091095
Decreasing demand (probably inflated tires, car tuneups, increased mpg standards, etc.) are things that can have a marginal effect right now and are not expensive to implement.
Tony Crescenzi:
"Since most expect Obama to win, the prospect of him winning is working in favor of the dollar. An added boost is the notion that I have spoken about a number of times of Obama taking actions that put downward pressure on energy prices." http://www.cnbc.com/id/26091095
lupi
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Don't we already have 1+ threads going with this already? I'd the OP made he hasn't received his copy of the Obama Energy Plan in the mail yet and needs to check his tire pressure?
And double woot, instead of just getting this fud we've now got repeated incorrect drilling fud thrown in for good measure.
And double woot, instead of just getting this fud we've now got repeated incorrect drilling fud thrown in for good measure.
RY62
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How am I being stupid? Inflating tires is simple enough and we know it'll improve fuel mileage. No argument on those points. Still, people don't keep their tires properly inflated. What makes you think they're going to change? It would be nice but I don't think we're going to see everyone keeping their tires properly inflated just because Obama asks them to.
The studies I've seen on modern cars show no improved fuel mileage from changing the air filter. A clean air filter can result in improved power because the computer compensates for the restricted air filter and reduces injected fuel to match the air flow.
I think Obama's point wasn't that tire pressure should be the core of the Democratic energy policy, in fact just the opposite. He's mocking the fact that offshore drilling, which IS the center of the Republican energy policy, is about as useful as the minor thing Obama suggested. Inflating your tires might not be a long term solution to foreign oil dependency, but neither is all the drilling the Republicans want to do.
Slightly off-topic...it must be election time again, where conservatives everywhere look deep into the heart of "the American people" and see, conveniently enough, that Mr. and Mrs. Joe America just happen to agree with everything conservatives are saying. Boy isn't THAT a lucky break :roll:
sandorski
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The Republicans deserve to get Nuked(Electorily). Even the Good ones don't deserve a Vote. More viable Political Parties is still the best solution, but as long as there's only 2 viable ones, the one that shows the lack of competence like the Reps just have need to be punished hard. Otherwise they'll just continue to get worse.
Since our Supreme Court has legalized sobriety checkpoints, which are common here, the police can just check your tires while they are checking your sobriety.
UberNeuman
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I wonder how our current "right wingers" would have fared back during WWII with the rationing and the appeals to conserve.... They seem to be pissing in their panties now over the idea of Americans taking simple measures to help out - oh wait, it's just another bitching point for them...
shira
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We do appreciate your humility. But where does that leave us?
If the strategy of inflated tires and tuneups is NOT a centerpiece [one word, not two] of Obama's energy policy, then are you saying that Obama does NOT "look so damned clueless" on energy (and are you now a likely Obama supporter)?
Or are you saying that he DOES still look so damned clueless, but that you yourself are damned clueless as to why that is? Again, sounds like you and Obama have a lot in common - welcome!
I suspect that simply raising awareness about tire pressure and tuneups will help us move in a positive direction. Even modern computer controlled autos benefit from new air filters and spark plugs when required... low tire pressure is also a safety hazard, particularly on the highway in summer. Under inflated tires heat up more, increasing the likelihood of blowouts....
Excessive warmups in winter also reduce efficiency- it's now illegal here in Denver to leave your car unattended while running, not because of fuel mileage, but because of air pollution considerations... it's really the same thing.
And I have news for the energy independence crowd- it won't happen w/o radical conservation and increases in efficiency- ever. Attempting to drill enough domestic oil and/or create enough alternative energy to service our current consumption would require unbelievably huge investment, and would actually cost a lot more per BTU than petroleum or natural gas, even at current prices. Fossil fuels are the cheapest and most concentrated portable energy currently available, and will likely remain so for decades, if not forever.
Like it or not, conservation and increased efficiency are keys to future energy policy. Anything else is just pissin' into the wind... The notion that we can drill our way out of high petroleum prices is foolish in the extreme.
Big Oil wants more leases now because they're looking well down the road, and they're flush with cash. Leases obtained at today's prices will really be worth a helluva lot more in 20 years or so, so if they can flimflam us into selling cheap, now, well, it's just good business, right?
Excessive warmups in winter also reduce efficiency- it's now illegal here in Denver to leave your car unattended while running, not because of fuel mileage, but because of air pollution considerations... it's really the same thing.
And I have news for the energy independence crowd- it won't happen w/o radical conservation and increases in efficiency- ever. Attempting to drill enough domestic oil and/or create enough alternative energy to service our current consumption would require unbelievably huge investment, and would actually cost a lot more per BTU than petroleum or natural gas, even at current prices. Fossil fuels are the cheapest and most concentrated portable energy currently available, and will likely remain so for decades, if not forever.
Like it or not, conservation and increased efficiency are keys to future energy policy. Anything else is just pissin' into the wind... The notion that we can drill our way out of high petroleum prices is foolish in the extreme.
Big Oil wants more leases now because they're looking well down the road, and they're flush with cash. Leases obtained at today's prices will really be worth a helluva lot more in 20 years or so, so if they can flimflam us into selling cheap, now, well, it's just good business, right?
NikolaeVarius
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I've always wondered, considering we have computers controlling alot of things in our cars, why don't we have computers that can check the tire pressure and regulate the pressure by itself? It could store a database of tires, and be calibrated when tires are replaced. Sounds cheap and easy to do.
TPMS systems are coming into wider usage, but systems that adjust pressure are technologically awkward atm.
There are several ways to notify drivers that they have a low tire-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...sure_monitoring_system
Don't be so hard on him, Obama clearly has a comprehensive plan:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf...ergy_speech_080308.pdf
lol, tax and punish oil companies even more....deplete strategic reserves....invest hundreds of billions of dollars into electric cars that have yet to be invented. Clearly Obama has a good plan :roll:
The sad thing is his PSA about inflating tires is the best part of his "plan". Too bad it's not an actual energy policy and does nothing to decrease dependence on foreign oil.
Heh. Nice try, TechAZ. Let's compare the concrete proposals in Obama's speech to the fearmongering, button pushing and vague pie in the sky promises in McCain's words on the subject-
http://www.johnmccain.com/info...-9805-1297872571ed.htm
The only parts of it that aren't utterly vague are the ones where he agrees with Obama...
http://www.johnmccain.com/info...-9805-1297872571ed.htm
The only parts of it that aren't utterly vague are the ones where he agrees with Obama...
McCain's energy policy is a night and day difference to Obama's. I'm not here to defend McCain though, I'm here to point out the idiocy of Obama's plan and the kool-aid drinking cultists who defend him without realizing how utterly retarded they look and sound.
Of course you're not here to defend McCain, but rather to attack Obama, TechAZ... because there's very little of substance to defend in McCain's statements- not a single date or quantified goal beyond energy independence, which is a truckload of snakeoil... You can't defend something that isn't there... that depends on sweeping generalizations about future "breakthroughs" that may never occur or that may be too costly to implement... You deride electric cars, which already exist, yet defend McCain's pie in the sky references to battery technology that doesn't...
There's a night and day difference alright- the difference between a plan and and a promise to come up with a plan- well, someday, maybe, just as soon as we have those breakthroughs...
Obama's plan utterly retarded? Considering the willfull blindness of the source of that, it's a compliment.
There's a night and day difference alright- the difference between a plan and and a promise to come up with a plan- well, someday, maybe, just as soon as we have those breakthroughs...
Obama's plan utterly retarded? Considering the willfull blindness of the source of that, it's a compliment.
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