Time Warner bandwidth caps arrive (updated)

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: vi edit

You'd be surprised, depending on what you do, it probably isn't that tough to hit 100GB. High def movies and game demos on XBL are around 5GB each IIRC. For one person 100GB may be a tough mark to hit, but if you have a family or a few college students on one connection, I'd think it would be much easier to reach

Largest demo I've ever seen on XBL is around 1.6gb. Most of them are between 500 and 800mb.

No clue on high def downloads though.

My bad, it's been a while since I've logged onto XBL. I'm pretty sure 720p movies are in the 5GB area, though.

Does anyone remember how big that Age of Conan download (not counting required updates) was for the open beta? I want to say it was something along the lines of 8GB before receiving the massive update upon install.

 

[legoman666]

Originally posted by: Brovane

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Brovane
Has anybody actually measured how much they D/L over a month?

yes many people i suggest reading the thread

The people that seem to post accurate numbers on the thread have monthly usage far below 50GB. The rest of the people throw out wild numbers like 100GB+ I don't think they have ever sat down and actually tracked there monthly usage. I see a lot of guess work and little hard numbers.

Download Summary
Period Start Period End GB
05/12/2007___06/12/2007___522.79
06/12/2007___07/12/2007___112.15
07/12/2007___08/12/2007___166.69
08/12/2007___09/12/2007___84.02
09/12/2007___10/12/2007___237.29
10/12/2007___11/12/2007___149.47
11/12/2007___12/12/2007___240.19
12/12/2007___01/12/2008___83.77
01/12/2008___02/12/2008___120.22
02/12/2008___03/12/2008___37.34
03/12/2008___04/12/2008___66.94
04/12/2008___05/12/2008___161.55
05/12/2008___06/4/2008____158.08

Total over 13 months: 2,140.5

just from Giganews only: 164.6gb/mo

 

[EKKC]

this wont fly. expect mass exodus to DSL or FIOS if this does happen. and government sanctioned cable oligopoly has got to stop.

im a TWC customer, while i am generally happy with their speed, i'd be the first one to leave them if they did this to me (NYC)

 

[dahunan]

But once one adopts this they all might do it. Who can stop them?

 

[EKKC]

Originally posted by: Flammable
let's admit it though, it's a great way to stop piracy

so is shutting down the internet. great logic there.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: dahunan
But once one adopts this they all might do it. Who can stop them?

FCC probably, they've been pretty good at keeping the telcos and cablecos in check.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: legoman666

Originally posted by: Brovane

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Brovane
Has anybody actually measured how much they D/L over a month?

yes many people i suggest reading the thread

The people that seem to post accurate numbers on the thread have monthly usage far below 50GB. The rest of the people throw out wild numbers like 100GB+ I don't think they have ever sat down and actually tracked there monthly usage. I see a lot of guess work and little hard numbers.

Download Summary
Period Start Period End GB
05/12/2007___06/12/2007___522.79
06/12/2007___07/12/2007___112.15
07/12/2007___08/12/2007___166.69
08/12/2007___09/12/2007___84.02
09/12/2007___10/12/2007___237.29
10/12/2007___11/12/2007___149.47
11/12/2007___12/12/2007___240.19
12/12/2007___01/12/2008___83.77
01/12/2008___02/12/2008___120.22
02/12/2008___03/12/2008___37.34
03/12/2008___04/12/2008___66.94
04/12/2008___05/12/2008___161.55
05/12/2008___06/4/2008____158.08

Total over 13 months: 2,140.5

just from Giganews only: 164.6gb/mo

Jeesus dude. Some months you were averaging over 17 gig A DAY.

You need a 12 step program, not a bandwith cap. Maybe these caps will force people to reconsider their computer habits much in the same way that high gas prices have forced people to reconsider their driving and vehicle purchase habits.

More efficiency (aka compressed vs full blown res), and having some discression in what you download instead doing a ctrl+a and grabbing anything and everything you can get your hands on.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: legoman666

Originally posted by: Brovane

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Brovane
Has anybody actually measured how much they D/L over a month?

yes many people i suggest reading the thread

The people that seem to post accurate numbers on the thread have monthly usage far below 50GB. The rest of the people throw out wild numbers like 100GB+ I don't think they have ever sat down and actually tracked there monthly usage. I see a lot of guess work and little hard numbers.

Download Summary
Period Start Period End GB
05/12/2007___06/12/2007___522.79
06/12/2007___07/12/2007___112.15
07/12/2007___08/12/2007___166.69
08/12/2007___09/12/2007___84.02
09/12/2007___10/12/2007___237.29
10/12/2007___11/12/2007___149.47
11/12/2007___12/12/2007___240.19
12/12/2007___01/12/2008___83.77
01/12/2008___02/12/2008___120.22
02/12/2008___03/12/2008___37.34
03/12/2008___04/12/2008___66.94
04/12/2008___05/12/2008___161.55
05/12/2008___06/4/2008____158.08

Total over 13 months: 2,140.5

just from Giganews only: 164.6gb/mo

WTF are you downloading? even if i tried i couldent even come close tho those numbers there just isnt that much porn worth watching

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Anubis
...there just isnt that much porn worth watching

You sure about that? :laugh:

 

[Parasitic]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: dahunan
But once one adopts this they all might do it. Who can stop them?

FCC probably, they've been pretty good at keeping the telcos and cablecos in check.

I thought cable company isn't subject to FCC regulations?

 

[cpmer]

Isn't bandwidth just electricity in the end? I mean you got the fiber lines and routers but once thats installed the only that can drive up the cost of bandwidth is electricity? By the way im talking about bandwidth providers such as level3. Would be interesting see how much bandwidth can be produced per kilowatt. Im sure that number changes all the time with new fiber technology and other equipment.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Anubis
WTF are you downloading? even if i tried i couldent even come close tho those numbers there just isnt that much porn worth watching

Probably high-def video. Or maybe just a TON of movies and TV shows.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: cpmer
Isn't bandwidth just electricity in the end? I mean you got the fiber lines and routers but once thats installed the only that can drive up the cost of bandwidth is electricity? By the way im talking about bandwidth providers such as level3. Would be interesting see how much bandwidth can be produced per kilowatt. Im sure that number changes all the time with new fiber technology and other equipment.

The issue isn't the cost of moving the 1s and 0s from point A to point B, it's the cost to add capacity to keep up with the rising demand. Discouraging use will allow them to get away with having less capacity.

 

[xboxist]

I'm sure this has been said elsewhere in this thread... but those caps are VERY unrealistic for an increasing amount of internet users. Digital content is being heavily pushed and growing daily. I would blow through the 40gb cap in a night or two just by using Netflix's service to watch movies at my PC.

If they're going to start this crap model for subscribers, they'll need to have an "unlimited" tier for a reasonable cost. Otherwise there's no way it would work.

 

[Old Hippie]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: legoman666

Originally posted by: Brovane

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Brovane
Has anybody actually measured how much they D/L over a month?

yes many people i suggest reading the thread

The people that seem to post accurate numbers on the thread have monthly usage far below 50GB. The rest of the people throw out wild numbers like 100GB+ I don't think they have ever sat down and actually tracked there monthly usage. I see a lot of guess work and little hard numbers.

Download Summary
Period Start Period End GB
05/12/2007___06/12/2007___522.79
06/12/2007___07/12/2007___112.15
07/12/2007___08/12/2007___166.69
08/12/2007___09/12/2007___84.02
09/12/2007___10/12/2007___237.29
10/12/2007___11/12/2007___149.47
11/12/2007___12/12/2007___240.19
12/12/2007___01/12/2008___83.77
01/12/2008___02/12/2008___120.22
02/12/2008___03/12/2008___37.34
03/12/2008___04/12/2008___66.94
04/12/2008___05/12/2008___161.55
05/12/2008___06/4/2008____158.08

Total over 13 months: 2,140.5

just from Giganews only: 164.6gb/mo

Jeesus dude. Some months you were averaging over 17 gig A DAY.

You need a 12 step program, not a bandwith cap.

LMAO! :thumbsup:

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: cpmer
Isn't bandwidth just electricity in the end? I mean you got the fiber lines and routers but once thats installed the only that can drive up the cost of bandwidth is electricity? By the way im talking about bandwidth providers such as level3. Would be interesting see how much bandwidth can be produced per kilowatt. Im sure that number changes all the time with new fiber technology and other equipment.

The issue isn't the cost of moving the 1s and 0s from point A to point B, it's the cost to add capacity to keep up with the rising demand. Discouraging use will allow them to get away with having less capacity.

Yup, which basically means that all of us will end up paying more despite how little our bandwidth usage might be and the ISPs will be making more profit. It doesn't even guarantee that the average consumer will not be held down during peak hours because the ISPs could easily get greedy enough to provide such small capacities in order to make more money. Then all they will say is "You can't expect to get max speed during peak hours" which is bullshit especially considering all of the arguments going around right now about how much abusers are sucking up bandwidth and are the cause of slow speeds.

If it becomes standard for all ISPs to adopt caps like this, then we all better be getting maximum available speed at least 95% of the time because if not then that proves that this is all about profit and has nothing to do with providing better quality service to the consumer like they keep claiming.

 

[Foxery]

Originally posted by: cpmer
Isn't bandwidth just electricity in the end? I mean you got the fiber lines and routers but once thats installed the only that can drive up the cost of bandwidth is electricity? By the way im talking about bandwidth providers such as level3. Would be interesting see how much bandwidth can be produced per kilowatt. Im sure that number changes all the time with new fiber technology and other equipment.

Er, bandwidth requires building wires which can carry it, and these are very expensive. ISPs also charge each other for traffic between networks, so if a Time Warner customer downloads inordinate amounts of data from a site hosted by Level3, Time Warner really does get billed for your usage. There's money exchanging hands all over the place every time you download something.

 

[cpmer]

The issue isn't the cost of moving the 1s and 0s from point A to point B, it's the cost to add capacity to keep up with the rising demand. Discouraging use will allow them to get away with having less capacity.

A company like TWC always gets more hsd customers every year. Its even put into there budget and now with voip the number of hsd customers have grown outrageously in the last few years. This is something that has made TWC lots of money. Even more than they had planned for yet it seems like instead of using some of these unexpected profits to help build their infrastructure. They in turn just pocketed it and now are crying about not having enough bandwidth when they more than enough time and money to fix the problem. Same goes with level3 as well. Everyone knows that in the coming future that more companies are u gonna use the internet to deliver media and that will take lots of bandwidth to do so. In my opinion this just boils down to greedy companies who are using lies as way to get even more money from our pockets.

 

[mcmilljb]

Why not do a proportional sharing model. Every user is only guaranteed a certain proportion of total bandwidth at certain times. Of course more home bandwidth is used during about 5 or 6pm til about 9 or 10pm, so just up the cap some during the evening so everyone gets a little extra. They'd save money because they can allocate the bandwith to business connections during the day instead of home connections. After 5pm, start routing some of it back to home users. When excess bandwidth is not used, the customers that can use can just balloon to fill it up. No one ever really gets the full bandwidth advertised, plus that's just a marketing gimmick any ways.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: EKKC
this wont fly. expect mass exodus to DSL or FIOS if this does happen. and government sanctioned cable oligopoly has got to stop.

im a TWC customer, while i am generally happy with their speed, i'd be the first one to leave them if they did this to me (NYC)

Hate to tell you this, but ATT and Verizon are waiting to see how this works out so they can implement caps themselves. A memo discussing caps passed my desk just last week from ATT. Not sure where you're going to go if everyone starts doing it.

Also, keep in mind they're doing this for network efficiency and to keep current price structures in place, not to make money. Some people seem to keep getting this idea that they're going to make huge $$$$ off of this "evil" plan.

 

[Delta6Echo]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Anubis
caps not good, way to low



http://arstechnica.com/news.ar...width-caps-arrive.html

40GB is HUGE!!!!! We service 200 employee corporations that only use 30GB/month. Turn off Bit Torrent and it won't be an issue.

I work for a big ISP- only .4% of our customers go over 10GB per month. The ones that do are impacting the network for other users, causing the need for more infrastructure and bandwidth. If those .4% are causing the other 99.6% slowness, would you expect an ISP to :

A) Charge higher fees to everyone
B) Make the heavy users pay more

I know which one seems fair to me.

Please shut the fvck up. You work for an ISP company? I'm shocked. Tell you what, I'll cap your water, electricity, and gas. Does that sounds good to you? Cable/Internet is a utility, if they start doing this, you know they will start capping other services.

Then all the "Soviet Russia" jokes will start up and never end. Is that what you want to happen? IS IT? P)

 

[mcmilljb]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: EKKC
this wont fly. expect mass exodus to DSL or FIOS if this does happen. and government sanctioned cable oligopoly has got to stop.

im a TWC customer, while i am generally happy with their speed, i'd be the first one to leave them if they did this to me (NYC)

Hate to tell you this, but ATT and Verizon are waiting to see how this works out so they can implement caps themselves. A memo discussing caps passed my desk just last week from ATT. Not sure where you're going to go if everyone starts doing it.

Also, keep in mind they're doing this for network efficiency and to keep current price structures in place, not to make money. Some people seem to keep getting this idea that they're going to make huge $$$$ off of this "evil" plan.

Well send your corp bosses a memo saying "Don't let a douchbag company like AOL buy us, and then let them drag us down. K thanx." Imagine if you had to deal with all those losers on your network.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Delta6Echo
Please shut the fvck up. You work for an ISP company? I'm shocked. Tell you what, I'll cap your water, electricity, and gas. Does that sounds good to you? Cable/Internet is a utility, if they start doing this, you know they will start capping other services.

Then all the "Soviet Russia" jokes will start up and never end. Is that what you want to happen? IS IT? P)

Actually, they're doing exactly what electricity, water, etc do. You are charged for how much you use.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Delta6Echo

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Anubis
caps not good, way to low



http://arstechnica.com/news.ar...width-caps-arrive.html

40GB is HUGE!!!!! We service 200 employee corporations that only use 30GB/month. Turn off Bit Torrent and it won't be an issue.

I work for a big ISP- only .4% of our customers go over 10GB per month. The ones that do are impacting the network for other users, causing the need for more infrastructure and bandwidth. If those .4% are causing the other 99.6% slowness, would you expect an ISP to :

A) Charge higher fees to everyone
B) Make the heavy users pay more

I know which one seems fair to me.

Please shut the fvck up. You work for an ISP company? I'm shocked. Tell you what, I'll cap your water, electricity, and gas. Does that sounds good to you? Cable/Internet is a utility, if they start doing this, you know they will start capping other services.

Then all the "Soviet Russia" jokes will start up and never end. Is that what you want to happen? IS IT? P)

Most utilities outside of Television do offered metered services. There is a base fee simply for subscribing, and then it's metered after that. Water, gas, electric, phone, ect. All charge you for what you use.

The TW plan gives you 40 gig. After that you pay to play. It's a use based utility at that point, just like anything else that is metered going into your house.

 

[legoman666]

Originally posted by: Old Hippie

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: legoman666

Download Summary
Period Start Period End GB
05/12/2007___06/12/2007___522.79
06/12/2007___07/12/2007___112.15
07/12/2007___08/12/2007___166.69
08/12/2007___09/12/2007___84.02
09/12/2007___10/12/2007___237.29
10/12/2007___11/12/2007___149.47
11/12/2007___12/12/2007___240.19
12/12/2007___01/12/2008___83.77
01/12/2008___02/12/2008___120.22
02/12/2008___03/12/2008___37.34
03/12/2008___04/12/2008___66.94
04/12/2008___05/12/2008___161.55
05/12/2008___06/4/2008____158.08

Total over 13 months: 2,140.5

just from Giganews only: 164.6gb/mo

Jeesus dude. Some months you were averaging over 17 gig A DAY.

You need a 12 step program, not a bandwith cap.

LMAO! :thumbsup:

lol, I have no idea how I hit 522gb that first month...