Originally posted by: Anubis
caps not good, way to low
http://arstechnica.com/news.ar...width-caps-arrive.html
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: Gothgar
I've been with TWC for a while too, and if this goes live anywhere in California I will be a DTV/ DSL customer over night, fuck that shit.
I probably on average don't even get close to that cap, but it is mostly just principle.
What if all the other ISPs adopt similar plans? Then we're all screwed![]()
This is why we need more competition. Corporate greed and the desire to steal "the other guy's" customers will result in price plans and deals which benefit the consumer a lot especially considering that placing limitations like bandwidth caps gives the competitors a much larger weapon to play with.
ISP is a highly competitive market and most broadband customers have a choice.
You're free to go and start an ISP if you feel the profit margins are so high, because they are not. Mostly because it is so competitive.
In fact it is such a mature market that these innovative pricing models are being tried because there is so little money in the all you can eat model for such a cheap price. Most of the decision makers I talk to in the industry all say the same thing "all you can eat is going away, we just can't keep losing money like this and have to do something."
On average, companies make around $3/DSL account and cable companies make around $6/account. DSL infrastructure is more expensive to maintain and implement. Out of that money, they have to pay employees, health insurance, and maintenence. You're looking at about $1-$1.25 profit per account. The big money is in the service selling, not the connection itself. They make their cash off of extra software, speed upgrades, etc.
So, if you really want to screw your Internet provider, get the lowest priced plan you can get, install any "free" software that comes with the service, and run torrents 24/7. You'll end up costing them money![]()
Originally posted by: JC86
You try to put a cap on my internet at anything less than 150 GB and i'm switching to someone else for my high speed internet.
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
I heard about the Sprint cap, that really sucks. Is Alltel available in your area? I have their EVDO service and use a decent amount of bandwidth every month (probably between 30-40GB) and they don't seem to mind. Of course, with Verizon and Sprint both capping at 5GB now, it may only be a matter of time before Alltel goes with one as well.Originally posted by: Parasitic
I hate this stupid cap...I just signed up for TWC yesterday and am in the process of dropping Sprint EVDO because they're putting a 5GB cap on it, and now it sounds like TWC is doing a 40GB soon?
I don't think I've downloaded 40GB in a month, but having to meter things really really sucks.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: spidey07
ISP is a highly competitive market and most broadband customers have a choice.
It isn't "highly competitive" by any means. There are no consumer Internet connections that match the speed of cable modems other than fiber, which is only available in very limited areas of the country right now. There is more competition in DSL, but you have to live close enough to the CO and the speed isn't nearly as good as cable. That's not exactly "highly competitive." And then there is satellite Internet, which doesn't directly compete with cable/DSL/fiber at all.
So for most people who want a truly high speed connection, the only option is cable modem.
That is simply not true mugs. You can get whatever speed connection you want ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. I know, I just had a optical network installed in the middle of nowhere.
The only option they want to pay for is a cheap residential connection. But if you want a high speed connection you can get it anywhere in the country.
Originally posted by: JC86
You try to put a cap on my internet at anything less than 150 GB and i'm switching to someone else for my high speed internet.
MrDudeManOriginally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Most people don't use nearly 40gb per month.
SNIP
88.11 MB
88.11Mb / 16 hours = 5.5Mb per hour, which seems to be what everyone else is observing.
Therefore, your claim of 650-700Mb is flat out wrong.
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: Gothgar
I've been with TWC for a while too, and if this goes live anywhere in California I will be a DTV/ DSL customer over night, fuck that shit.
I probably on average don't even get close to that cap, but it is mostly just principle.
What if all the other ISPs adopt similar plans? Then we're all screwed![]()
This is why we need more competition. Corporate greed and the desire to steal "the other guy's" customers will result in price plans and deals which benefit the consumer a lot especially considering that placing limitations like bandwidth caps gives the competitors a much larger weapon to play with.
ISP is a highly competitive market and most broadband customers have a choice.
You're free to go and start an ISP if you feel the profit margins are so high, because they are not. Mostly because it is so competitive.
In fact it is such a mature market that these innovative pricing models are being tried because there is so little money in the all you can eat model for such a cheap price. Most of the decision makers I talk to in the industry all say the same thing "all you can eat is going away, we just can't keep losing money like this and have to do something."
On average, companies make around $3/DSL account and cable companies make around $6/account. DSL infrastructure is more expensive to maintain and implement. Out of that money, they have to pay employees, health insurance, and maintenence. You're looking at about $1-$1.25 profit per account. The big money is in the service selling, not the connection itself. They make their cash off of extra software, speed upgrades, etc.
So, if you really want to screw your Internet provider, get the lowest priced plan you can get, install any "free" software that comes with the service, and run torrents 24/7. You'll end up costing them money![]()
I don't buy those figures, $3 for what the package AT&T has that's $10.99 a month? I have on neighbor who pays $10.99 and another who pays almost $40, the one who pays $40 obviously gets faster internet but on AT&T's side they're charging for more speed but it cost them nothing more. Unless the faster account person is using more bandwidth, oddly enough he almost never uses his computer so his monthly bandwidth is super low. The $10.99 guy runs Limewire 24/7 but for every person who has the shit account and abuses it there are 20 who have the Elite $39.99 account and hardly ever use it.
$3 might be accurate for the low end, but the neighbor who's paying $34 they're either making 3 times that, or loosing money on the $10.99 customer. Besides isn't the money they make based more on the bandwidth usage?
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: JC86
You try to put a cap on my internet at anything less than 150 GB and i'm switching to someone else for my high speed internet.
This is a funny way of thinking. If you use that much bandwidth, they actually DON'T WANT YOU. They lose money on you and want you to go to the competition.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: spidey07
ISP is a highly competitive market and most broadband customers have a choice.
It isn't "highly competitive" by any means. There are no consumer Internet connections that match the speed of cable modems other than fiber, which is only available in very limited areas of the country right now. There is more competition in DSL, but you have to live close enough to the CO and the speed isn't nearly as good as cable. That's not exactly "highly competitive." And then there is satellite Internet, which doesn't directly compete with cable/DSL/fiber at all.
So for most people who want a truly high speed connection, the only option is cable modem.
That is simply not true mugs. You can get whatever speed connection you want ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. I know, I just had a optical network installed in the middle of nowhere.
The only option they want to pay for is a cheap residential connection. But if you want a high speed connection you can get it anywhere in the country.
Originally posted by: Brovane
Has anybody actually measured how much they D/L over a month?
Originally posted by: Anubis
ive never had an issue with TWC but 40GB cap on a 15mb connection is to low, and 5GB on the lowest for 35$ thats just moronic
between streaming media (legal) and normal internet use i can do 1 gig a day
this just punishes everyone
Originally posted by: Genx87
This does pose an interesting situation.
Movie download services are likely to get hit with this issue more than anybody else. Especially when HD movies become available and are 5+GB a pop. You will run through that cap very fast.
The cable companies all have VOD services. I see a conspiracy here![]()