Time to corral the MAGAts.(Paul Pelosi attack)

[pcgeek11]

Yes, I do. And I still believe it wasn’t a coincidence.

That is fine. You're entitled to believe whatever you want. No matter how wrong it is.

 

[Captante]

Being in SF it could have just as well been robbery

And I might hit the next Powerball too.

You are however correct about things getting out of hand and people going full-retard.

 

[woolfe9998]

Exactly. I don't have any idea of the motivation. Jumping to the conclusion that it was politically motivated is just stupid.

I do hope Paul fully recovers without much pain and discomfort. He must be a tough old bird to survive a beating with a hammer at his age.

No, it wasn't an unreasonable assumption even before it was just confirmed.

Source: Intruder yelled "where is Nancy?" before attacking Paul Pelosi

Live updates: Paul Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi's husband, attacked at couple's home

Paul Pelosi, the husband of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, was attacked at the couple's San Francisco home with a hammer, according to law enforcement sources. Follow live news updates here.

www.cnn.com

Even before that, we knew this was a home invasion where a man was attacked with a hammer, but there was no theft, no other obvious criminal motive. And crime is not really up in SF, maybe spiked in the past couple years consistent with a national trend.

San Francisco CA Crime Rate 1999-2018

Interactive chart of the San Francisco, California violent crime rate and statistics by year from 1999 to 2018. In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime statistics are composed of four offenses: murder/homicide and nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery, and...

www.macrotrends.net

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[Perknose]

I would think anyone attacking for political reasons would attack the politician instead of her husband.

They could be a right winger, but I wouldn't assume that based on the scant facts we have so far. Even if he were a conservative or Republican, that doesn't mean that is the reason behind the attack.

I guess we will find out hopefully the facts soon enough.

We have the most salient fact now:
Assailant shouted ‘Where is Nancy?’ in break-in at speaker’s home, attack on Paul Pelosi

 

[soundforbjt]

And I might hit the next Powerball too.

You are however correct about things getting out of hand and people going full-retard.

Yes and the majority of states with soaring homicide rates are run by republicans.

 

[Captante]

I don't have any idea of the motivation.

Come on now..... I know for a fact your not that naive.

 

[pcgeek11]

We have the most salient fact now:
Assailant shouted ‘Where is Nancy?’ in break-in at speaker’s home, attack on Paul Pelosi

I see and that was an update to the article linked at 12:15 PM...

 

[pcgeek11]

Yes and the majority of states with soaring homicide rates are run by republicans.

In cities that are run by Democrats.

 

[woolfe9998]

In cities that are run by Democrats.

Crime is always higher in cities. In every country on earth, through all human history.

 

[Captante]

In cities that are run by Democrats.

CDC map of Homicides by state *(select year in drop-down)

ALL bunghole former-confederate states run by the GOP have the highest murder-rates per 100k.

That's a pretty sad argument to make lol.... all you've got?

 

[fskimospy]

In cities that are run by Democrats.

Blue states have cities run by Democrats too - why are red states unable to control crime as well as their blue counterparts?

 

[woolfe9998]

I see and that was an update to the article linked at 12:15 PM...

Doesn't matter, does it, because you were clearly wrong. Given who the victim was and current political environment, the liklihood that the motive was other than political was quite low. Had the victim been a republican pol, I would have drawn the same conclusion. I'm usually the first person to caution people to not draw conclusions, but in this particular case the assumption was warranted based on the known facts.

 

[balloonshark]

This is what happens when you don't hold your own "team" and its "leaders" accountable for anything. 50% of this country doesn't think the rule of law applies to them because their "leaders" are corrupt pieces of shit.

 

[soundforbjt]

In cities that are run by Democrats.

Oklahoma: just one example

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/20/crime-oklahoma-republicans-governor/

 

[woolfe9998]

This is what happens when you don't hold your own "team" and its "leaders" accountable for anything. 50% of this country doesn't think the rule of law applies to them because their "leaders" are corrupt pieces of shit.

Yes, and this will be declared a "false flag operation" in short order. This Reality Editor that tright wingers have in their minds is quite handy that way. No one on their "team" has to ever be accountable for anything.

 

[alien42]

Crime is always higher in cities. In every country on earth, through all human history.

On a per capita basis, that isn't true.

 

[Captante]

On a per capita basis, that isn't true.

So.... crime isn't actually higher where there's more people/greater population-density that's your point?



Want to buy a bridge ??

 

[ivwshane]

Why bother looking up facts when you can just rely on your feels?

SF’s 2021 crime data just came out. Here’s what the numbers show.

These statistics come as Mayor London Breed proposes more police funding.

www.sfgate.com

You might be brainwashed if…

 

[eelw]

He was tied up and when police got there, we’re waiting for Nancy the attacker said. Yup he’s antifa

 

[woolfe9998]

On a per capita basis, that isn't true.

I'm open to persuasion, but you'll have to supply a link. Here's one:

Urban Crime - Are Crime Rates Higher In Urban Areas?

Violent and property crime rates in our largest cities (Metropolitan Statistical Areas, or MSAs) are three to four times as high as the rates in rural communities (Barkan). These statistics hold for nearly all types of crime. For example, according to 1995 statistics from the Uniform Crime Reports, in U.S. metropolitan areas, homicide claims 11 victims per 100,000 inhabitants and more than 25 per 100,000 in some of the largest cities. In small cities and in rural counties, homicide claims only 5 victims per 100,000, and fewer than 2 per 100,000 in our most rural states (Federal Bureau of Investigation). This pattern also occurs for robbery and assault; they are much more common in large urban areas than elsewhere. Like violent crime, property crime is lowest in rural areas (Barkan). Further, this urban-rural difference has been found in Canada, England, Australia, and the Netherlands (Shover).

 

[soundforbjt]

On a per capita basis, that isn't true.

From my earlier link.

When Fox News covers crime, it’s almost uniformly in urban areas, despite reporting showing that rural areas are also battling more crime. Hofmeister’s invocation of New York and California was meant to contrast Stitt with blue states, but also, certainly, with the major cities those states contain.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/20/crime-oklahoma-republicans-governor/

 

[pcgeek11]

Doesn't matter, does it, because you were clearly wrong. Given who the victim was and current political environment, the liklihood that the motive was other than political was quite low. Had the victim been a republican pol, I would have drawn the same conclusion. I'm usually the first person to caution people to not draw conclusions, but in this particular case the assumption was warranted based on the known facts.

I wasn't wrong.

I never claimed to know the reason behind the attack, I clearly stated that I didn't know. If you would like to reread my comments.


More than likely it was a political attack based on what we now know after the update.

 

[Captante]

Ummm.... I don't need to see a "study" to tell me that where there are more people (rich and poor) AND more money/valuable stuff to steal there will be more crime.

Duh... ya think ?!?

Of course I also don't need to be told that water is wet. (unlike many apparently)

 

[woolfe9998]

I wasn't wrong.

I never claimed to know the reason behind the attack, I clearly stated that I didn't know. If you would like to reread my comments.


More than likely it was a political attack based on what we now know after the update.

You were wrong to claim that the assumption it was political was unwarranted. Because based on the known facts, it was obvious. There was a small chance it was otherwise, but there is no point in getting hung up on small chances.

 

[pcgeek11]

You were wrong to claim that the assumption it was political was unwarranted. Because based on the known facts, it was obvious. There was a small chance it was otherwise, but there is no point in getting hung up on small chances.

You are entitled to your opinion....